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Like for example :
Choosing a dom function is like choosing which function you most actively use.. So this doesn't mean you don't use other functions right?

It's like your dom is either perceiving - sensing or intuitive
Or judging - feeling or thinking

So, if I'm more of a perceiving side,
I can either use sensing or intuition..
But what if i use both in a balance way?
 

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You can use both but your preference will point out where your weakness in your personality is. Everyone has blind spots and issues in their personality, I'd say that all correlates with your weaker functions.

The functions do act in pairs to balance them out. Like Ne would be useless with Si to reflect on the new experiences Ne discovers. I experience and then learn what to do from experience. Ne directly feeds Si.
 

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I suppose the idea is, you can't really sense or intuit at the same time; if you perceive the potential of some object you ignore what it actually is in its current state and rather perceive it in a state it could alternatively be.

This doesn't mean functions wouldn't have things in common, or that they cannot manifest in a form that makes it easy to mistake them for another function... but if you look at the essential differences there you should be able to tell which one you have a habitual preference for.

People not being fully balanced is after all what gives birth to typology to begin with...
 

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i suppose if humans could live to be 600+ years old, maybe then they could more-or-less use their functions in a more 'balanced' manner, but even then i kinda doubt it.

quick, somebody turn 600 years old and tell me if my theory pans out! :jupiter: just this random sailor jupiter emoji in here, wtf?

i agree with @Falling Foxes and @Gilead here, whatever your dominant is, it will always make its counterpart your inferior and be harder to use. i remember reading somewhere that our tertiary and inferior functions are what create the biggest differences in our personalities within type. for example, tert te and inf si are what cause enfps to all be completely different individuals despite their many similarities. i'm not sure if that's true or not, but it seems at least somewhat plausible to me for reasons i can't articulate at the moment because i'm still a bit stuck on sailor jupiter up there.

i tend to believe that if somebody actually succeeded in perfectly balancing all their functions they'd be boring and basically without personality. any uniqueness, any personality quirks would be erased from the person, or at least dimmed out significantly.

this is not a testable hypothesis however, so take it as it is: just random speculation.

and on that note... i'm changing my avatar. need to find a good sailor jupiter image to plop in here.
 

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Heatly IxxJs and ExxPs show great balance between feeling and thinking because it's in the middle of their stack. Likewise, healthy ExxJs and IxxPs show great balance between Intuition and sensing because it's in the middle of their stacks.

It's hard to find for example an ExTJ who is just as empathetic lovey gooey as they are hardcore rational. The latter just has too much weight over the former. It CAN happen, perhaps if they are really experienced and wise.

For instance Dr. Phil (an ESTJ) ''I really want to help you, it's ultimately my mission (Fi) but it's just way more fun to list the reasons why you're a sh*tty irrational mess and get my audience clapping at me (Te)....''
 

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You can use both but your preference will point out where your weakness in your personality is. Everyone has blind spots and issues in their personality, I'd say that all correlates with your weaker functions.

The functions do act in pairs to balance them out. Like Ne would be useless with Si to reflect on the new experiences Ne discovers. I experience and then learn what to do from experience. Ne directly feeds Si.
So you're actually talking about

Ne-Si

Se-Ni right?

What about Ne-Se
 

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I suppose the idea is, you can't really sense or intuit at the same time; if you perceive the potential of some object you ignore what it actually is in its current state and rather perceive it in a state it could alternatively be.

This doesn't mean functions wouldn't have things in common, or that they cannot manifest in a form that makes it easy to mistake them for another function... but if you look at the essential differences there you should be able to tell which one you have a habitual preference for.

People not being fully balanced is after all what gives birth to typology to begin with...
Yea that's why it's hard to determine for balanced people what functions they're really using
 

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i suppose if humans could live to be 600+ years old, maybe then they could more-or-less use their functions in a more 'balanced' manner, but even then i kinda doubt it.

quick, somebody turn 600 years old and tell me if my theory pans out! :jupiter: just this random sailor jupiter emoji in here, wtf?

i agree with @Falling Foxes and @Gilead here, whatever your dominant is, it will always make its counterpart your inferior and be harder to use. i remember reading somewhere that our tertiary and inferior functions are what create the biggest differences in our personalities within type. for example, tert te and inf si are what cause enfps to all be completely different individuals despite their many similarities. i'm not sure if that's true or not, but it seems at least somewhat plausible to me for reasons i can't articulate at the moment because i'm still a bit stuck on sailor jupiter up there.

i tend to believe that if somebody actually succeeded in perfectly balancing all their functions they'd be boring and basically without personality. any uniqueness, any personality quirks would be erased from the person, or at least dimmed out significantly.

this is not a testable hypothesis however, so take it as it is: just random speculation.

and on that note... i'm changing my avatar. need to find a good sailor jupiter image to plop in here.
Not really.. They wouldn't be boring and no personality.

They would be able to handle problems easily.

Move life easily because they have balanced their functions.

It's like they're able to see things on two sides already. Say for example Ni-Se

If you're under inferior grip for years, and you feel like you've became a totally different person.. And then sooner, you'll able to come back from using your dom function again.. It's like you became wiser. Like your perceptions have became widen. You didn't became boring.

Like for intj, who had the se grip, then i think, they will become more interesting person upon surviving the grip for they had experienced what is it like on the grip. They had the idea of what is it like outside the personality

So i think balancing your functions is a benefit. It makes you process stuffs more wisely.
 

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Heatly IxxJs and ExxPs show great balance between feeling and thinking because it's in the middle of their stack. Likewise, healthy ExxJs and IxxPs show great balance between Intuition and sensing because it's in the middle of their stacks.

It's hard to find for example an ExTJ who is just as empathetic lovey gooey as they are hardcore rational. The latter just has too much weight over the former. It CAN happen, perhaps if they are really experienced and wise.

For instance Dr. Phil (an ESTJ) ''I really want to help you, it's ultimately my mission (Fi) but it's just way more fun to list the reasons why you're a sh*tty irrational mess and get my audience clapping at me (Te)....''
I see. What if i feel like i also have the balance between Thinking and Feeling and Intuition and Sensing? Like both
 

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I believe so. When I've tried testing re. 'functions' , it wouldn't give me an MBTI because my functions were too balanced XD
but, because of that, I'm extremely contradictory as a person...it's chaotic haha
 

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Yea that's why it's hard to determine for balanced people what functions they're really using
That is really not what I was saying.

Finding a person who is 50-50 between N and S would be just as likely than someone who is 100-0 or 61-49. I don't really see it that way though, type is something more encompassing than whether you take the intuitive way out of a situation or come up with a Thinking oriented solution to a problem once. I find it highly unlikely that certain preferences could not be detected. Those preferences can be linked to the functions that are descriptive and clearly defined to see which seems to govern the person's cognition more.
 

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Heatly IxxJs and ExxPs show great balance between feeling and thinking because it's in the middle of their stack. Likewise, healthy ExxJs and IxxPs show great balance between Intuition and sensing because it's in the middle of their stacks.

It's hard to find for example an ExTJ who is just as empathetic lovey gooey as they are hardcore rational. The latter just has too much weight over the former. It CAN happen, perhaps if they are really experienced and wise.

For instance Dr. Phil (an ESTJ) ''I really want to help you, it's ultimately my mission (Fi) but it's just way more fun to list the reasons why you're a sh*tty irrational mess and get my audience clapping at me (Te)....''
You're the first person to ever explain--where I've been able to find it, anyway--and I've read the main books and taken the tests that have explanations and the rest... why I test close to the line for F/T.

Thanks, man.
 

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being in a grip and coming out of it might be able to help a person be able to balance their decisions better, but it won't allow a person to even out all their functions into a series of 50/50 dichotomies. as an example, if i fell into an si grip for several years then came out of it and reverted back to being a healthy enfp, that would mean that i would return back to using my dominant intuition. i would still be leading with ne, and still bracing my ne with fi and te and i would still be consulting si last, but the difference would be that when i turn to si to consult him (mine is male; a magikarp in fact), then i would actually listen to his input, rather than disregarding him as usual. it would still sap a whole load of energy out of me to place him in charge again, or even to parcel out all of my thinking/ decisions evenly among all my functions. also, just because my si grew during its grip doesn't mean that my ne through te didn't also all grow at the same time. as long as i live, all four of them will continue to develop, but the one which develops the most will always be ne because it was here first. that's why i said that after about 600 years a person *might* (hypothetically and untestably) at least appear to be more balanced in their use of functions, mostly because i'm guessing the gaps in between them will be comparatively smaller.

remember also that you hardly ever use an individual function in a vacuum, and in fact the reason many people may appear to be more 'balanced' is not because they developed a lower function in a vacuum but because they learned how to utilize one of their slightly higher functions in order to fill in some of the gaps that their inferior leaves lying around. an enfp who has trouble with planning and follow through (si) will overcome this problem by combining ne and te (often with some input from fi).

i'm not claiming that a person who experiences a grip and then learns to utilize their functions better will become boring, but that if they are somehow able to completely even out their use of every function it would seem unlikely to me that they would have very much personality exactly, but i acknowledge that that is a purely subjective point of view. i actually had an explanation ready at the time i thought about it, but accidentally finding a sailor jupiter emoticon was all it took to totally derail my train of thought there and i just can't seem to get it back. >_<; because my si is not even with my ne and will never be. xD
 

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I believe so. When I've tried testing re. 'functions' , it wouldn't give me an MBTI because my functions were too balanced XD
but, because of that, I'm extremely contradictory as a person...it's chaotic haha
Same.. I don't really fit in on any type. XD

It's like i can read or type a person.. But i cannot type myself because i know myself too much, and i function really differently.. Like, i know i have a balance of Ne and Se.. XD like for sure..

When we just rely on others like ambiversion is not possible.. But what about us? XD

They cannot comprehend it because they don't experience ambiversion.. It's like you have Ne, but also you have Se.. But you don't have only Ne nor you don't only have Se.. You actually have both..

Why isn't it possible to have both when you experience it yourself?

Then they'll say, oh, Ti-polr.. No logic. It's either 0 or 1.. Pick only one.. But no..

If you can have both they why only pick one right?

Maybe others can only pick one, but if i can pick both, then why not?
 

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So you're actually talking about

Ne-Si

Se-Ni right?

What about Ne-Se
Ne/Se don't work well together. The moments you are using Se your Ne is probably muted. They contradict one another really. I'd imagine if I was using Ne to decide what to do the process would be too long and arduous for Se, Se would get impatient and immediately silent Ne by jumping forward, disregarding the what ifs and just going for it!

Ne would be the one standing at the cliff face imagining a hundred ways that they could fall and die whilst Se would be the one grabbing Ne's hand and saying "There's a good place to jump!" And dragging them both off of the edge and into the water. Ne and Se don't work together. One has to take control.
 

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Ne/Se don't work well together. The moments you are using Se your Ne is probably muted. They contradict one another really. I'd imagine if I was using Ne to decide what to do the process would be too long and arduous for Se, Se would get impatient and immediately silent Ne by jumping forward, disregarding the what ifs and just going for it!

Ne would be the one standing at the cliff face imagining a hundred ways that they could fall and die whilst Se would be the one grabbing Ne's hand and saying "There's a good place to jump!" And dragging them both off of the edge and into the water. Ne and Se don't work together. One has to take control.
Okaaaaayyyyyyy
 

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Same.. I don't really fit in on any type. XD

It's like i can read or type a person.. But i cannot type myself because i know myself too much, and i function really differently.. Like, i know i have a balance of Ne and Se.. XD like for sure..

When we just rely on others like ambiversion is not possible.. But what about us? XD

They cannot comprehend it because they don't experience ambiversion.. It's like you have Ne, but also you have Se.. But you don't have only Ne nor you don't only have Se.. You actually have both..

Why isn't it possible to have both when you experience it yourself?

Then they'll say, oh, Ti-polr.. No logic. It's either 0 or 1.. Pick only one.. But no..

If you can have both they why only pick one right?

Maybe others can only pick one, but if i can pick both, then why not?
I definitely have both and am also ambiverted XD I use Ni, Ne, Fi, Fe, etc etc and to determine which is domninant REALLY depends on situation for me - you could consider that "well rounded" (positive) or contradictory (a mess)...It's really balanced for me too so I understand. I've pondered the same thing. It isn't just pick one. There should be some middle ground/central typing. That would make it easier to explain. I just don't listen to people who say 'no it can't be that way' - why? Because they just want to believe that *you're* trying to be "different" but actually, it's like you said, I just know myself. Better than anyone. ;)
 

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I definitely have both and am also ambiverted XD I use Ni, Ne, Fi, Fe, etc etc and to determine which is domninant REALLY depends on situation for me - you could consider that "well rounded" (positive) or contradictory (a mess)...It's really balanced for me too so I understand. I've pondered the same thing. It isn't just pick one. There should be some middle ground/central typing. That would make it easier to explain. I just don't listen to people who say 'no it can't be that way' - why? Because they just want to believe that *you're* trying to be "different" but actually, it's like you said, I just know myself. Better than anyone. ;)
Yes true. Lol. XD

But then, I'm still on search..... XD
 
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