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most of the ENTJs (and TJs in general) I've met don't spend a great deal thinking about specifically what they want, but they realize "whatever I want, money is going to help me get it" so they divert most of their energy toward their career only to realize 10-15 years later "I never figured out what I really want"
would you say this is common among ENTJs? (or does this have more to do with the fact that the majority of ENTJs are 3s and 8s)
 

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First and most of all, I want (financial) independance. Money is merely a tool for that and being the (financial) independance stable equals making career.

When a stable independance is achieved, I am more at ease to spend more time to my loved ones.

In short: First stable (financial) independance, then spending more quality time. Both are for my loved ones.
 

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Yeah. I still haven't completely ironed out my enneagram, but my drive for financial independence (and hopefully eventually excess) is just sort of a concept unto itself. I'm not sure exactly why all the money other than that money is power, and power gets whatever I want. If I change what I want, chances are, money will still get it.
 
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Sounds like everybody just after they leave school.
Doesn't ring true for me after age 20.

People that get lost are those that never rationalised where to base their motivations or how their behaviours will serve their self-perception and perception with others. The later you leave it, the later you realise how much of your life you can't "tie" to yourself.
 
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most of the ENTJs (and TJs in general) I've met don't spend a great deal thinking about specifically what they want, but they realize "whatever I want, money is going to help me get it" so they divert most of their energy toward their career only to realize 10-15 years later "I never figured out what I really want"
would you say this is common among ENTJs? (or does this have more to do with the fact that the majority of ENTJs are 3s and 8s)
This is a good but tough question for me. I do strive to have a good career with financial independence, but without my family behind me the drive would diminish. I've been really thinking a lot lately about what matters to me and I'm wondering if I'm not focused on the wrong things. Money and financial independence are great things to have, but its not what you will remember in the end when all is said and done. Money can't buy memories, memories are made, not bought. So yes money is a necessity given the way our world turns, but its not what makes my world go round :)

I guess what it comes down to is I'd rather be poor and happy than rich and miserable.
 

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most of the ENTJs (and TJs in general) I've met don't spend a great deal thinking about specifically what they want, but they realize "whatever I want, money is going to help me get it" so they divert most of their energy toward their career only to realize 10-15 years later "I never figured out what I really want"
would you say this is common among ENTJs? (or does this have more to do with the fact that the majority of ENTJs are 3s and 8s)

For me, it might *look* like I followed this pattern, but what has happened is that what I want has drifted over time. It's been a moving target, sometimes in large slips, sometimes in a gradual, glacial creep. Money has always been a means to an ends, varying in need over the years, but what I wanted to do with it has continued to to evolve.

Each time I have changed focus, I have known with certainty what I "really wanted" as of then, but that has changed from time to time.

Externally, it probably looks just like what you have described.
 

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most of the ENTJs (and TJs in general) I've met don't spend a great deal thinking about specifically what they want, but they realize "whatever I want, money is going to help me get it" so they divert most of their energy toward their career only to realize 10-15 years later "I never figured out what I really want"
would you say this is common among ENTJs? (or does this have more to do with the fact that the majority of ENTJs are 3s and 8s)
I think it's not that you never figured out what you want, it's just that your priorities or goals may change.

If you reach a point where what you're doing doesn't feel right, it just means that your goals need to be revised. I don't think it's like you wake up one morning and think, Oh shit, I'm horribly off course ... more like you make small corrections along the way. Or you may decide to change direction, but that doesn't mean that you don't know what you want.

For me, I had a general idea of where I wanted to be and what I wanted to do in 5-10-15-20 years. Along the way, I was constantly re-evaluating and re-prioritizing, setting the bar higher, or changing the direction, but the ultimate goal (success in whatever I choose to do) never changed. It's not really about the money, it's about what the money represents: the freedom to be able to do what you want.

And, once I get proficient at something, I want to apply it to something else. The challenge is in starting from nothing and reaching the goal; it's in learning something new, then taking that an applying it to the next project, in becoming more competent. Once there, I'm ready for something else. It's like getting to the top of the mountain, and thinking .... OK, now what? I've used this phrase in posts before, but it best describes it: I have the drive to be constantly moving forward.
 

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Some people have more ambition than others, that's all.
 

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That is not like me at all.

Money is great, but I have goal that when I get it will be far more satisfying than that.
 

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I generally have a good idea what I want to do. I intentionally keep it broad to allow for flexibility within my chosen direction and to be able to adapt to changing times.

Money helps but that's the side-product of my goal not the goal itself.

Besides, I'm usually the type of person that won't move unless I know what I want.
 

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most of the ENTJs (and TJs in general) I've met don't spend a great deal thinking about specifically what they want, but they realize "whatever I want, money is going to help me get it" so they divert most of their energy toward their career only to realize 10-15 years later "I never figured out what I really want"
would you say this is common among ENTJs? (or does this have more to do with the fact that the majority of ENTJs are 3s and 8s)
What you have described above would fit most of the people I know. It sounds more like growing pains of life for most people and I don't think it necessarily tied to a specific type.... MBTI and/or Enneagram. Sure there are the few who are/were adept at making life plans and know/knew specifically what they want/wanted in their teens and early 20s but they are few and far between. Matter of fact there are many people I know in their 40s, 50s, and 60s and still haven't figured out what they really want.
 

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Money is great because in a lot of ways money == power, but I'm more interested in getting to a position of power where I can effect change where I see fit. Money does help tho, and while it doesn't solve all problems as my grandfather used to say "you can sure pick what ails you"
 

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This is true for me. One time I came home from work and said to my wife that I'm not happy with my career. She said, what kind of job would make you happier? I replied, what I'm doing now, but making more.

While I might not know exactly what I want to make me happy, having money in the meantime helps. The alternative would be to sit around for 10-15 years and still not know what I want.

I found that I discovered a lot of happiness unintentionally along the way - wife, house, vacation, hobbies, etc.
 

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My drug of choice is more.
 
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