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Thin hourglass with a small-medium frame, but not "skinny" hourglass (skinny would be smaller).
Maybe even "slender" hourglass (skinny is smaller than slender).

So, letsee, in general from smallest to biggest I'd say in my perception goes like:

Emaciated/unhealthy, really skinny, skinny, slender/thin, -athletic is in here somewhere-, average, -athletic is in here somewhere again-, thick, -athletic is in here somewhere again-, voluptuous/zaftig, overweight, really overweight, obese/unhealthy.

Then you could add all the different body shapes, which I think determines "curvy" more than body size (banana/pear/apple) and frame sizes/bone structure (xs/s/s-m/m/m-l/l/xl) that make the proportions more unique as well.

It also depends on the perception of the individual. Someone who one person thinks is "chubby" for example, could be considered "average" to another, etc. Sometimes peoples perceptions really floor me. It seems like "average" gets thinner and thinner.
 

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Yeah I mean its pretty easy to Google what she looked like at 25 or 30 when she was a major star and banging the president. She was actually curvy then. More butt for sure.

However I will agree that Marilyn Monroe was smaller than some people try to make her. A size 12 in the 50s in most clothiers is a size 6 now.
Dat vanity sizing.


Fun fact, Norma Jean used to work at a factory putting together drones back in the day.
 

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Thin hourglass with a small-medium frame, but not "skinny" hourglass (skinny would be smaller).
Maybe even "slender" hourglass (skinny is smaller than slender).

So, letsee, in general from smallest to biggest I'd say in my perception goes like:

Emaciated/unhealthy, really skinny, skinny, slender/thin, -athletic is in here somewhere-, average, -athletic is in here somewhere again-, thick, -athletic is in here somewhere again-, voluptuous/zaftig, overweight, really overweight, obese/unhealthy.

Then you could add all the different body shapes, which I think determines "curvy" more than body size (banana/pear/apple) and frame sizes/bone structure (xs/s/s-m/m/m-l/l/xl) that make the proportions more unique as well.

It also depends on the perception of the individual. Someone who one person thinks is "chubby" for example, could be considered "average" to another, etc. Sometimes peoples perceptions really floor me. It seems like "average" gets thinner and thinner.

You should post that pic from your tumblr that was advertising some product that was talking about adding weight to slim girls.
 

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Dat vanity sizing.


Fun fact, Norma Jean used to work at a factory putting together drones back in the day.
yes but it's hard to compare sizes because the proportions we use today are also very different - clothes are made to fit a different body shape. If you buy a pattern you will notice the sizing is smaller, even today. Back then, pattern sizing was smaller than normal sizing as well. But yeah, it's nonsense that people try to pretend she was big, she definitely wasn't.
 

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yes but it's hard to compare sizes because the proportions we use today are also very different - clothes are made to fit a different body shape. If you buy a pattern you will notice the sizing is smaller, even today. Back then, pattern sizing was smaller than normal sizing as well. But yeah, it's nonsense that people try to pretend she was big, she definitely wasn't.
Another thing too is that people really are bigger than they used to be, not just fatter. People are taller, their bones are often bigger, and women build more.muscle than they used to. Women even in the eighties even often looked like they dieted but didn't exercise much.

This affects things as well.
 

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I wouldn't consider that curvy. That's basically how I look, minus the awesome-r rack. At 6 ft tall, I've been told that if I get any thinner than 140, I look too skinny. I'm okay being 160 right now.
 

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I see myself as having an athletic build at 135 lbs. MM looks curvier than me in that picture. I'd call her curvy. At least in comparison to me.
 

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You should post that pic from your tumblr that was advertising some product that was talking about adding weight to slim girls.
Lol yeah, it really speaks volumes about changing standards. I had a few of them somewhere, probably on some poor old hard drive in a random desk drawer now.

Another thing too is that people really are bigger than they used to be, not just fatter. People are taller, their bones are often bigger, and women build more.muscle than they used to. Women even in the eighties even often looked like they dieted but didn't exercise much.

This affects things as well.
Ooooohh.. ok, yes, I have noticed that too. When I see ladies in older movies, they seem so petite-framed and lean but not nearly as muscular as a lot of them these days. I'd thought to myself one night watching a movie, theres a difference between 80s thin, and today thin, but I couldn't put my finger on it. It just looked different.
 

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What is your "relational point of departure" for defining such things - is it yourself, some cultural standard (fitness culture, porn, celebrities), what you're used to seeing in day to day life, etc?
I believe we are all affected by society and what we're shown. However we each may choose to realize and consciously understand society's affects.

I feel that the fitness culture is "guilty" of trying to sell services and medication, and in order to do so, showing the skinniest possible women. The pornography industry is fairly self evident there as well, with an emphasis on "exaggerated" body parts (see Anime as well). Hollywood (celebrities) move in the same direction.

How do you think your personal ideas compare with others in defining terms like "curvy", "thin", "buff, "chubby", etc?
The only "type" of people I've been turned off from are the excessively skinny or overweight. Historically, I've only dated overweight women (though that was never my intent, it simply did not play a role in my decisions to date or not).

At this point, I believe that I have some incentive to date non-overweight women, however my reasoning is unrelated to how they appear to me.

Bottom line: I like non-curvy, medium curvy, and curvy alike :tongue:
 

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In my perception, she is slim and has curves.

Don't know, it's all just getting odder and odder. I'm 5'9 and a bit (1.76m) and weigh between 140 and 145lbs (63-65kg). Most people in real life perceive me as slim, but when I still actively acted, I was honestly one of the "fuller" women. 130lbs were considered "average" for a girl my height. Average! It's beyond ridiculous really.

I swear one thing to you: Most of the actresses who are touted as "fuller' these days are still very, very slim when you stand next to them. As in "thin". And the media wants to make us believe they're full-figured. And many sadly believe them.
 

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In my perception, she is slim and has curves.

Don't know, it's all just getting odder and odder. I'm 5'9 and a bit (1.76m) and weigh between 140 and 145lbs (63-65kg). Most people in real life perceive me as slim, but when I still actively acted, I was honestly one of the "fuller" women. 130lbs were considered "average" for a girl my height. Average! It's beyond ridiculous really.

I swear one thing to you: Most of the actresses who are touted as "fuller' these days are still very, very slim when you stand next to them. As in "thin". And the media wants to make us believe they're full-figured. And many sadly believe them.
I'm the same height. I get nasty comments about my height occasionally. Ridiculous given that most men are taller than me. I can't be thhhhhat tall. Do you get the same comments?
 

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I'm the same height. I get nasty comments about my height occasionally. Ridiculous given that most men are taller than me. I can't be thhhhhat tall. Do you get the same comments?
I was actually bullied for being tall and skinny at school. And having no tits until I was 16 or so. Oh the joys of high school.

Today, it's not a problem anymore (thankfully, the boobs also grew naturally ;)), despite my being taller than most women I know. I'm pretty much the same height as the average (!) guy around here, so when I wear heels, I'm still taller than a lot of them. Coincidentally, none of my BFs have ever been shorter than me though - they were all over 6' bar one.
 

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I was actually bullied for being tall and skinny at school. And having no tits until I was 16 or so. Oh the joys of high school.

Today, it's not a problem anymore (thankfully, the boobs also grew naturally ;)), despite my being taller than most women I know. I'm pretty much the same height as the average (!) guy around here, so when I wear heels, I'm still taller than a lot of them. Coincidentally, none of my BFs have ever been shorter than me though - they were all over 6' bar one.
I had enough tits to use a push-up bra. I just experience the odd short person who will feel the need to: 'wow, you're a big girl aren't you?' I'm not tall, you're just really short.
 

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I too feel like people haphazardly form descriptions in society when it comes to subjective things like this. Everyone sees things a little differently. I feel like there's no point in even trying. If 10 people see it one way and one person sees it another way, who's right? It's not a science; it's not like being able to tell red from blue. There's no right and wrong.

Personally, I see it as relative because I know that one thing that is constant is that every individual sees it as relative.

I know that some people would see Marilyn as curvy, or thin, but I see her as average. I feel like I tend to take a more global perspective on things, and therefore there is a lot of room for "average" in this model. She doesn't fall outside the standard deviation for size. So I say she's average.
 

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The problem with calling a lot of women who are pear shaped curvy (unless they really have a calipigious rump) is that they are often small breasted...the opposite of us apple or upside down triangle women who will never require a boob job.
I find it kind of odd actually when people assume that pear shapes are small-busted. Weight accumulation in the bottom often comes with some on top even if not perfectly proportioned like an hourglass. Curvy and well-endowed pears just have to deal with non-gaping jeans and non-gaping button up shirts at the same time (though I understand upside down triangles may have more shirt woes than just button-ups)

That begs a bigger question though.... can flat chested pears still be curvy? I'd say yes but I know a lot of people only count curvy as curvy on top and bottom.
 

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Body perceptions on the part of other people are odd.
I always thought that men preferred tall women.
I'm five feet tall and 110 pounds and I feel as if men are looking over my head as if I didn't exist.
I don't want to be too thin but I would have liked to have been taller.

In my perception, she is slim and has curves.

Don't know, it's all just getting odder and odder. I'm 5'9 and a bit (1.76m) and weigh between 140 and 145lbs (63-65kg). Most people in real life perceive me as slim, but when I still actively acted, I was honestly one of the "fuller" women. 130lbs were considered "average" for a girl my height. Average! It's beyond ridiculous really.

I swear one thing to you: Most of the actresses who are touted as "fuller' these days are still very, very slim when you stand next to them. As in "thin". And the media wants to make us believe they're full-figured. And many sadly believe them.
I'm the same height. I get nasty comments about my height occasionally. Ridiculous given that most men are taller than me. I can't be thhhhhat tall. Do you get the same comments?
 
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