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As an INFP, I cannot help but find the ISFP type fascinating. It seems to me that we are a lot alike. I like that we're both primarily introverted feelers. Our biggest difference is that we experience the outer world in different ways--the ISFP comes off as more sensual than the INFP, more immediately in tune with the richness of the physical world.

I find it also interesting that the ISFP is called "the artist," because as an INFP, I like to think of myself as an artist as well. Perhaps the art that the INFP is more frequently drawn to is of a slightly different nature. Where the ISFP might enjoy the more physical acts of painting or sculpting, the INFP might have a more innate appreciation for, if we can call them in this way, the "softer" arts (vis-à-vis the "soft sciences"), such as music or poetry.

Now I don't want to generalize here. I don't mean to throw borders between our camps, delegating certain arts to each group. After all the MBTI is not meant to be used to exclude; it is a spectrum, and as a spectrum of human nature, I'd like to think that even our positions on the spectrum is in a state of flux. At our core we are beings of energy, so it makes sense to me that our natures can flow about within the confines of the parameters of our identities.

That is all to say, an INFP is certainly capable of being "sensual"; an ISFP is equally capable of being "intuitive." We may have our predilections, but like many boundaries, they are meant to be liberating.
 

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Don't you mean sensing instead of sensual?, I have have an ISFP sister, and she has no signs of intuition and is pretty cruel to the pets while not even noticing that they are distressed.

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Fuctional analysis:

INFP:

FiNeSiTe
Introverted Feeling
Extraverted iNtuition
Introverted Sensing
Extraverted Thinking

ISFP:

FiSeNiTe
Introverted Feeling
Extraverted Sensing
Introverted iNtuition
Extraverted Thinking
 

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I find it also interesting that the ISFP is called "the artist," because as an INFP, I like to think of myself as an artist as well.
my thoughts on this would be artist tend to do... infp have ideas. i have a horrible time coming up with ideas. but i have no problem doing an art... if that makes sense

i do not like animals. i love them in nature i just do not enjoy taking care of them. nor do i like little children.
 

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Don't you mean sensing instead of sensual?
My apologies. As an English grad student, and a nerd, I have a special affection for the history of words, for their etymology. Thus, I sometimes use words as they originally were used, or with the meanings that their roots imply. "Sensual," at least when it was first used, carried with it the idea of "having to do with the five physical senses." But to be truthful, I think such an understanding of the word's origin can be helpful (and if you're a nerd like me, fun).

An INFP, with their extroverted intuition, understands the world around them in an intuitive way, letting all their sensory input blend into one melodic impression. From what I can tell about myself and about others, the following analogy might be helpful. Think of our five physical senses as various colors of paint--red, blue, green, so on. A sensing person absorbs the distinct sensory impression of each color individually; an intuitive person lets the colors swim together into a rainbow of paint on the white canvas of our consciousness. (I welcome respectful, considerate of my feelings responses to this metaphor by sensing and intuitive folk alike.)

So simply put (but still using the metaphor), sensors appreciate separately each brush stroke of the painting of their understanding. Intuitives can see a painting even where one is not, such as if a person dropped a bunch of paint cans on a floor, letting spill forth an accidental rainbow onto the tiles.

I have have an ISFP sister, and she has no signs of intuition and is pretty cruel to the pets while not even noticing that they are distressed.
It pains me to hear this. Do you know why she is this way? I would be loath to attribute this simply to her being an S and not an N.

You raise an interesting point, though. It is one that I have thought much about. Does the ISFP, The Artist,
have difficulty empathizing with other beings? The reason I have wondered this will be made known immediately. Before we get there, let me issue the following caveat: the following will be a generalization. It is not meant to hurt or offend anyone; it is used simply to gain understanding.

Many of the artists I have met in my admittedly short life have come across to me as superficial. Regardless of their artistic talent, many of them have shown a desire to create beauty through the use of such physical media as paint, clay, fabric, etc. However, I have been amazed to discover just how "unfeeling" many of my artists friends have been capable of being.

Again, this is not said to offend anyone. I am no saint myself; I'm not saying these things to judge. Anyway, back to the discussion.

What I'm getting at is this. I have a tendency to romanticize beauty and its creation. I have a tendency to idealize (predictably enough, given that I'm an INFP) art and artists. It is my instinct to believe that all artists are good, caring people, that anyone who dedicates his or her life to the creation of art (beauty) is a deeply feeling person. I have been proven wrong on more than one occasion.

The question remains--why? Why isn't a person who dedicates him or herself to beauty not by definition a good person, one who cares about the feelings and well being of this planet and her life? If artists are not worthwhile people, then who is? Of course, maybe the answer is no one. *shudder*
I would like very much to hear people's thoughts on this topic.
 

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Does the ISFP, The Artist,
have difficulty empathizing with other beings?

i do and do not... having empathy i think doesnt come naturally to everyone. i struggled when i was younger but as an adult i have learned to really open up and learn how to connect with others. i think it is hard for artists... or anyone... to really feel and understand another person because it takes a certain amount of vulnerability to relate and care
 

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I agree with Slightlybatty. I think INFPs are capable of coming up with great ideas, but I know that I, personally, have difficulty finding a sufficient avenue to express them. I don't have any artistic talent in drawing or painting. I'm not musically inclined either. I would not consider myself a great writer, by any means, but I am capable of expressing myself in written form. In fact, it's the only viable way to share my ideas with others. I've written a few stories and have a few more floating around inside of my head, but I have really been struggling lately to pen my ideas. I think poetry is an art form, as much as songwriting is.

I remember in high school, whenever we did group projects, I was usually the one to come up with a great idea that everybody agreed on, and then somehow a more abrasive extrovert would get the credit for it when he presented my idea to the entire class. (This happened on more than one occasion.) Needless to say, I wouldn't allow myself to get walked on like that anymore. I've learned how to stand up for myself. I am more than capable of wearing an ESTJ facade if the situation calls for it.
 

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Do you know why she is this way?

No I don't, but she's only 13 anyway, so that's probably why :confused:

I think INFPs are capable of coming up with great ideas, but I know that I, personally, have difficulty finding a sufficient avenue to express them. I don't have any artistic talent in drawing or painting. I'm not musically inclined either.

That's weird because I'm also INFP, but I have artistic talent, I'm very good at drawing and not a bad painter, I am musically inclined too and I play the guitar alot.

my thoughts on this would be artist tend to do... infp have ideas

I can execute my ideas, even though it may be an ISFP thing (eg. if I have an idea for a painting, then I will paint it, if I have an idea for a guitar riff, then I'll play it.)
 

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im not trying to say it is that way with all infp... i dont think anyone is just their personality type. was not trying to be offensive or say that your personality type could not express itself....
 

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the INFP might have a more innate appreciation for, if we can call them in this way, the "softer" arts (vis-à-vis the "soft sciences"), such as music or poetry..
Hi, About music and poetry... If we generalize, I think music is more an ISFP thing and poetry more an INFP thing. Poetry is conceptual, abstract, intuitive. Music is about sensing, in a way concrete. it's not conceptual.
 

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I think this might be the kind of discussion that leads to nowhere.
Both ISFP's and INFP's can possess artistic skills, dot dot dot..
One may be considered more earthy and the other one more conceptual,
but when it comes down to examples this turns out to be a personal matter, I believe.

Maybe I should ask you guys : why do you think you are ISFP or INFP and not the other one? please elaborate.
Maybe like that we could find the little differences between those two types.
 

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About being an "artist". I think it's important to remember that the ISFP "Artist" doesn't refer to individuals. I just means that the two strong functions of ISFP:s, introverted feeling and extraverted sensing, - if used right - are optimal for some art forms, such as painting or composing. But in order for the individual to actually become an artist it requires a lot more. For example visual or musical skills. Maybe it would be a good idea to invent some other name for the ISFP. "The environmentalist" for example, because we are in tune with our physical environment.
 

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This is an interesting thread! There is a reason for the stereotype of the self-absorbed artist! I think SPs create more out of a pure flow in the moment without much thought to how others perceive meaning in it. I think NFs tend to think more about the meaning of what they are trying to create and how it will be received by/or influence others(sometimes even tied to a political cause).

SPs and NFs percieve art different and thus create differently. A difference that I noticed was how my SP ex and myself went about deciding on tattoos, in her words "You always think about the symbolism of the tattoo, I just want mine to look pretty." Her tattoos are all of nature, the one I have is of a dragon chasing it's tail around a yin/yang and can have several different meanings.

Another difference I noticed between her and I was the importance of lyrics in music. She placed virtually no value on them it was all about how the song made her feel based on a direct connection to the beat/rhythm etc. To me lyrics are very important, I tend to know them and connect to them and be moved by them especially when they correspond perfectly to mood being generated by the music. My favorite album in adolescence, and maybe even now is Queensryches: Operation Mindcrime. It is a concept album that tells a story on a personal level but also ties into political themes, all with an almost perfect syncing of mood generated by the music to convey the characters emotion.



There are even NT musicians, they usually place a strong emphasis on technical precision, the band Rush is a good example.
 

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This is kind of funny, when you look at my signature. I have tested INFP/INFJ both, because I function equally well in P/J. On my CP test I come in CLEARLY ISFP/ISFJ. Apparently I function equally well in N/S, too!

It is my concerted opinion that I use what works in whatever situation I find myself in. If I have to exercise judging over perceiving, I do that. I compare the two and see which one is most appropriate. The same with N/S. I usually defer to N. That is sort of my "default setting". However, I have learned I cannot always trust my gut alone and have to pull in information from some other place, where I will call all my sensory recollections to the front and integrate that info into the situation I am dealing with.

When it comes to making decisions, I almost always go with S. When it comes to creating something out of nothing, I defer to N.

Does any of that make sense to anyone?

I am a Jungian Mutt....LOL! (But one thing is for sure...I am an introvert...)
 
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This is kind of funny, when you look at my signature. I have tested INFP/INFJ both, because I function equally well in P/J. On my CP test I come in CLEARLY ISFP/ISFJ. Apparently I function equally well in N/S, too!

It is my concerted opinion that I use what works in whatever situation I find myself in. If I have to exercise judging over perceiving, I do that. I compare the two and see which one is most appropriate. The same with N/S. I usually defer to N. That is sort of my "default setting". However, I have learned I cannot always trust my gut alone and have to pull in information from some other place, where I will call all my sensory recollections to the front and integrate that info into the situation I am dealing with.

When it comes to making decisions, I almost always go with S. When it comes to creating something out of nothing, I defer to N.

Does any of that make sense to anyone?

I am a Jungian Mutt....LOL! (But one thing is for sure...I am an introvert...)
Yes it makes sense :happy: It's best not to try pigeonhole yourself to one type, most people use different styles of thinking at different times, work, home, creative etc.... Some people do use a certain style of thinking a lot of the time and can be easily typed. It gets more difficult as you get older, your other functions are better developed. Rather than type yourself it may be more beneficial to understand the different ways of thinking and when they apply to you.

I always type as INFP, at work I would consider myself sliding more toward T and J, it's important to be logical in a business enviroment, not to procrastinate etc..
The tests require you to make a decision, pick an answer - If you answered the questions on how you would act under different circumstances, your type may come out different.
 

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Do you know what fascinates me about that?

I'm completely unconscious of the fact that I am choosing one function over the other! (At least 90% of the time...)

Now, I will say the times when I am conscious of having to go with one or the other, I am VERY conflicted. It actually causes me stress sometimes...and I guess that's where the heavy F score would come in...LOL...I'd much rather follow my heart than my head, but that is not always practical or smart!:crazy:
 

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Do you know what fascinates me about that?

I'm completely unconscious of the fact that I am choosing one function over the other! (At least 90% of the time...)

Now, I will say the times when I am conscious of having to go with one or the other, I am VERY conflicted. It actually causes me stress sometimes...and I guess that's where the heavy F score would come in...LOL...I'd much rather follow my heart than my head, but that is not always practical or smart!:crazy:
lol :laughing: I would always follow my heart in my teens/early twenties, I broke the rules, I was free :) and like many INFP's iv'e also walked out of jobs. Society forces you to comply with it's ways as you get older, so you adapt and learn to function in it, even though somedays it really gets to you :laughing:
 

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Sometimes, for me, even following my heart isn't an easy decision. That is especially true if I feel I might disappoint someone close to me or upset them. There are so many variables to making a decision for me, that I've gotten to where I just freakin' make the decision and deal with the outcome as it unfolds.

It's working pretty well for me, too. (Wonder what function I'm functioning in when I do that???) LOL!
 

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Sometimes, for me, even following my heart isn't an easy decision. That is especially true if I feel I might disappoint someone close to me or upset them. There are so many variables to making a decision for me, that I've gotten to where I just freakin' make the decision and deal with the outcome as it unfolds.

It's working pretty well for me, too. (Wonder what function I'm functioning in when I do that???) LOL!
I can totally relate to this! I do the same thing!
 

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Sometimes, for me, even following my heart isn't an easy decision. That is especially true if I feel I might disappoint someone close to me or upset them. There are so many variables to making a decision for me, that I've gotten to where I just freakin' make the decision and deal with the outcome as it unfolds.

It's working pretty well for me, too. (Wonder what function I'm functioning in when I do that???) LOL!
I can totally relate to this! I do the same thing!
I would put this down to Introverted Feeling, going with your gut feeling... especially when one of your values is compromised.
 
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