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A discussion in another thread got me thinking... We tend to be slow to accepting change and hold traditional idealistic values, so does this mean the typical ISTJ is a conservative? As far as religion goes, I'm curious to get an idea of what the group's beliefs are? I didn't have a religious upbringing but I notice I kind of have traditional Christian morals.

5-6 years ago I was a hardcore neoconservative, but I've since moved over to being largely a Libertarian. What about you guys?
 

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im an atheist because for me there no solid proof god could exist and for politics nothing really i live in canada (quebec) and i think we have the worst politician ever so i vote for the Rhino party
I'm pretty much a militant atheist, for the same reasons. I have my own moral code that I live by, that serves me well.
 

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I'm an Atheist as an extension of my skepticism philosophy. As for Politics, I am mostly a Conservative. However, that being said a Canadian conservative is much more liberal than a typical American conservative.
 

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I don't believe in God but I wouldn't say that God definitely doesn't exist as who knows.

My friends who are religious became religious through their parents. Some of them stopped once they became a teenager but some continued. I don't know if I would believe in God if I had been brought up to be as my parents aren't religious.

It would be interesting to find out if there are ISTJs who defy their immediate family's religious values.

I didn't have a religious upbringing but I notice I kind of have traditional Christian morals.
Do you mean like the 'non-religious' commandments in the 10 Commandments?

Example:
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

(http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-commandments.htm)
 

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Personally, I'm agnostic.
agnostic - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

I am not against religion but I can't say that I believe due to not experiencing anything paranormal or that people are wrong to ally themselves with religion, because the lessons that come from the major religion in the US is Christianity and that religion only works towards improving the integrity of the everyday man, and are nonprofit organization's therefore its not a money matter.

Atheists are vulnerable to holding that nihilistic belief of morals, and doing as they please because of their bias in situations.

Fight for what is right with from the conscience and not carry the opportunistic views of your position at the moment.


As for politics? I am nearly a Communist if it were more than just an ideal, but capable of being a reality. Therefore I'm a liberal capitalist because communism (socialism) is not a realistic goal.

You know what makes the world turn? Money. It makes people change as well, be it goals or beliefs, money is always the deciding factor in the majority of issues. Why are our (america's) politicians talking about how China is the main threat? Money because of jobs. Why did we enslave African Americans for hundreds of years? Money. Why are our companies willing to send jobs overseas killing our ability to have manufacturing jobs, creating more unemployment? Money. Why is our democratic system in disarray since that supreme court decision to allow companies to take part in campaign contributions? Money (this just happens to help the company friendly Republican's).
Why will I never support a conservative politician in america? because they are too friendly to businesses which only care about making money.

Oh and have you seen how poor our lower classes school systems are in comparison to the upper classes? Their is obviously an entitlement issue taking place because the upper class children have earned nothing, but they get a good teacher-to-student ratio and funding per student which the poor's children can only dream of.

Change the system we have to help all people, not just the higher classes and set things right. Yes, I'm definitely liberal.

Have your heart in the right place, and maintain a high level of integrity and nothing bad will come.

Just so you know I was raised Catholic but never bought into religion, but only became opinionated about what is wrong with our world.

Hey care to hear more of Wake's rants? See the Hippies Thread.
 

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Personally, I'm agnostic.
agnostic - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
I change my answer to agnostic. I'll add that one to my vocabulary :crazy:

You know what makes the world turn? Money. It makes people change as well, be it goals or beliefs, money is always the deciding factor in the majority of issues. Why are our (america's) politicians talking about how China is the main threat? Money because of jobs. Why did we enslave African Americans for hundreds of years? Money. Why are our companies willing to send jobs overseas killing our ability to have manufacturing jobs, creating more unemployment? Money. Why is our democratic system in disarray since that supreme court decision to allow companies to take part in campaign contributions? Money.
Why will I never support a conservative president of america because they are too friendly to businesses which only care about making money? well that one speaks for itself.
I thought that the sun err I meant people make the world go round. So what are the positives for the existence of money? (Just so we get a well-balanced view from you)

Just so you know I was raised Catholic but never bought into religion, but only became opinionated about what is wrong with our world.
So you were made to go to Church every week when you were young and say your prayers etc.?
 

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I thought that the sun err I meant people make the world go round. So what are the positives for the existence of money? (Just so we get a well-balanced view from you)
Money gives people a drive, unspoken point of that drive is that money is self-serving. Money can very easily persuade a person to work for their own good.

So you were made to go to Church every week when you were young and say your prayers etc.?
ya, I couldn't hear the priest during church so it wasted my time and enjoyed the point of such beliefs, but never had a person experience with any sort of paranormal forces. My view on logic won't allow me to believe in something of the sort (I don't care to go into detail).
 

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Libertarian Conservative, with a dash of Strict Constitutionalist thrown in for good measure. A WASP with unshakable faith in God. Incredible personal experiences override any doubt of the existence of God, since that doubt would be based on my limited logical abilities.
 

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A discussion in another thread got me thinking... We tend to be slow to accepting change and hold traditional idealistic values, so does this mean the typical ISTJ is a conservative? As far as religion goes, I'm curious to get an idea of what the group's beliefs are? I didn't have a religious upbringing but I notice I kind of have traditional Christian morals.

5-6 years ago I was a hardcore neoconservative, but I've since moved over to being largely a Libertarian. What about you guys?
My parents are Catholic, but I'm not religious. I've yet to come to terms with the idea of a Higher Being existing separately from mankind. Personally I like the Buddhist philosophy that absolute good and absolute evil are both innately found in men.

I'm politically conservative but socio-economically liberal.
I believe in maintaining national security and military defense against NK. But when it comes to freedom of thought, freedom of speech, minority rights and welfare policy I'd like to see more of that happening/being granted.


It would be interesting to find out if there are ISTJs who defy their immediate family's religious values.
Oh I wasn't defiant. I was evasive. *g*
 

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I was raised Roman-Catholic, but I identify as Agnostic. I'm told that when I was young, while at Mass, I loudly asked "If this is God's house, where's God's bed?" :laughing:

At the same time I'm rather spiritual. I have oracle cards and crystals, I talk to "thin air", and every time I stargaze I ponder the possibility of a higher being. I've studied a variety of religions, but I haven't found one that fits. I guess the key point is studying, not feeling. My main argument for agnosticism is that both Theists and Atheists believe in a higher order, or the lack thereof. Neither of them have solid evidence, and that's fine, but I lack that conviction and that commitment. I don't feel bereft for not having a specific religion, and I have a very comprehensive moral code.

Politically, I have the choice between centre-left and centre-right! TBH, I consider politics a necessary evil.

I also firmly support the right of every person to choose their beliefs for themselves, and the right to not have the beliefs of others forced upon them.
 

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WWJD What Would Jesus Do is what i hear in my head every day. I am a Non-Denomination Christian meaning that the church hiercahy does not progress above the local congregation and we take ideas from all branches of Christianity (We still do cooperate with churches in our surrounding area). I am a Republican although i do not completely shut out the other arguements. I take the best of the other party and add it to my beliefs.
 

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I am a registered Independent. In some areas I agree with Democrats, other areas I agree with Republicans. But I think I also lean towards Libertarianism: view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others.

I am not affiliated with any religion, but I did come from a Roman-Catholic background. But I have never celebrated Easter or Christmas for religious reasons. That was never pressed upon me. I saw it as a holiday where you get to spend time with your family and enjoy fun activities (such as looking at Xmas lights or hunting for the egg the Easter Bunny hid). But I am not Christian because I do not believe in Jesus Christ.

I was looking on the internet about world religions for my class, when I stumbled across a website with a "what religious belief do you belong to?" quiz.....I got Reform Judaism! :shocked: Which is weird, because I had no interactions with any Jews while growing up. But reading up on it, i found that the beliefs I already had lined up almost perfectly with Reform Judaism's stance.
 

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I got Reform Judaism! :shocked: Which is weird, because I had no interactions with any Jews while growing up. But reading up on it, i found that the beliefs I already had lined up almost perfectly with Reform Judaism's stance.
Hilarious when that stuff happens. That just cracks me up.
 

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Have to say I am quite surprised that a few ISTJ's have identified with socialism as or as near too while others have libertarian views. Good to know that at least on PerC you have a good coverage on right/left politics and don't all fall hard right (as my mental image of ISTJ's had lead me to believe, sorry).
 
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