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Who would you vote for?

  • SJ - Joe Biden

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SJ - Donald Trump

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • SJ - Unsure / No preference

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • SP - Joe Biden

    Votes: 7 6.5%
  • SP - Donald Trump

    Votes: 5 4.7%
  • SP - Unsure / No preference

    Votes: 8 7.5%
  • NT - Joe Biden

    Votes: 18 16.8%
  • NT - Donald Trump

    Votes: 17 15.9%
  • NT - Unsure / No preference

    Votes: 8 7.5%
  • NF - Joe BIden

    Votes: 16 15.0%
  • NF - Donald Trump

    Votes: 14 13.1%
  • NF - Unsure / No preference

    Votes: 7 6.5%

  • Total voters
    107
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Who would you vote for?

(hypothetically, foreigners are allowed to vote too)
 

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I voted unsure / no opinion, i have arguments to vote for Biden or Trump eitherway, and it will depend on the campaign. For now, i lean slightly towards Trump after preferring Sanders in 2016 and being long in doubt for the generals but supporting Trump in 2016 even enthusiastically. I'm disappointed by his presidency. I had expected more from it, although i don't care about twitter rants, the fake news allegiations and so on... I even believe it helps them, because his real problem is his lack of accomplishments for working class people, but i don't think Biden will be a better president for them, and i have strong reservations about him. Both have sexual allegiations against them, so i won't take that in account. I voted unsure because it will depend on more, but as for now, a slight lean towards Trump. I might change my mind, but I like his attitude and personality and his lack of political correctness, because things have clearly gone too far. He's just not a president for the working class and lower mid class. That's the issue i have with him.
 

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Definitely not Trump, but I don't really like Biden either. He's flimsy on dealing with climate change and all of the groping allegations have made me feel a bit uneasy.
 

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Both suck. I'm not voting or writing in a candidate if it comes down to the orange doofus and Mr. Touchy McFeely...voted under SP.
 

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I clicked unsure/other because despite Joe Biden being better, he would still have America being America. By that I mean invading foreign countries that are resource-rich and not pro-US, exploiting other third world countries, and in general acting like the police of the world. There are three main things he would do better as far as I can see:

- He would not be terrible at diplomacy
- His rhetoric wouldn’t inspire racism and become a part of the conservative to fascist pipeline*
- He would likely return to friendship with U.S. allies.

However, since pretty much anyone other than Trump would do those things, if he’s president for another four years it’s (almost) guaranteed that there will be someone back to normal. Problem is the normal is awful too.

Basically I wouldn’t vote for either major party unless there was a social democrat running, or at least some sort of progressive. I’d probably vote socialist or something as a protest vote, despite not being a socialist.



*I’m not saying Trump is a fascist, but it’s very clear that the alt-right (who are fascists, alt-right is a name they chose to try and gain more legitimacy) have been gaining a lot of ground since he came around. He’s more like a useful idiot than an evil genius.
 

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You didn't supply an option for "neither".
 
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I'd want to see their campaign focuses and promises, watch the debates and stuff. Trump hasn't proven himself to me yet and I don't know much about Biden. Like Trump put taxes on online shopping and stuff from China and stuff.. I think that's fair. I'd like to see what he does with the money that generates though. Besides that I can't say he's really done anything else that I've felt or noticed. Besides break his campaign allusion about legalizing bud (though he did change his stance mid-election too.)
 

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The internet hates both.
 

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Begrudgingly, Joe "I have no empathy [for the younger generation]" Biden.
But fuck that, get Bernie in there!
 

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Joe Biden, and at this point he is one of the very few democrats where this would be my answer. I don't think it's going to happen though, he is too much of a centrist, a pragmatist and a ciswhitemalehumankin-ist to appeal to the regressive party.
 

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Trump's administration today doesn't have the same tone he had when he was still a candidate, and we were seeing signs that he was going to tell the interventionists and Israel Firsters to take a hike. I voted for him partially because I saw him as a peace candidate. That was before Bolton and Pompeo became part of his administration. He needs to throw them out and get more sane replacements or we're risking repeating with Iran what happened with Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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