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Rape fantasy is no closer to actual rape than play fighting is to actual fighting. In both cases, some people just need to learn how to play.
Yeah, and I actually have no sense of humor about play fighting. Keep your hands to yourself and I will mine.
 
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Yeah, and I actually have no sense of humor about play fighting. Keep your hands to yourself and I will mine.
And that's perfectly fine. Not everyone likes playfighting. But those who do ought to learn how to play before engaging. One of the first things we learn as kids is to not to force the games we play on other people. I was taught this at home by my family. Some people were never taught the boundaries that separate play/pretend from the real thing.
 

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Rape fantasy is no closer to actual rape than play fighting is to actual fighting. In both cases, some people just need to learn how to play.
They may (or may not) draw the line at simulation instead of it transferring into reality.

But, as I've said:

A. There are justified moral situations for violence.
B. There are no justified moral situations for rape.
 
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They may (or may not) draw the line at simulation instead of it transferring into reality.

But, as I've said:

A. There are justified moral situations for violence.
B. There are no justified moral situations for rape.
I never thought about it like that. Damn.
 

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They may (or may not) draw the line at simulation instead of it transferring into reality.

But, as I've said:

A. There are justified moral situations for violence.
B. There are no justified moral situations for rape.

so its real bad that i like my hand gently around my partners throat? not around mine though.
 

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I have read through this thread and it appears it turned into a therapy one for some. Which is a good thing. I however, stand by my previous statement. I have been grabbed by the throat as a child with my dad less than an inch from my face screaming at me, my ex husband that never displayed any physically violent tendencies grabbed me by the throat in front of our daughter. Hence leading to our divorce. An ex toxic relationship- he grabbed me by the throat and lifted me off the floor slamming me down (but, clams he never abused me because he did not physically hit me). rolls eyes

Point being I still will not judge others personal sexual preferences because of my real life experiences. I explained how my ex almost got a black eye.(not associated with any of the examples listed above but, an after event) Not everyone should be reacted to and judged off of the ones that make bad choices to hurt others whether rape, abuse or negative life experiences. I am not even going to touch on the other types of abuse as others listed prior.

I understand where the OP is coming from but, it is blown out of proportion. A husband and wife want to experiment.... is either of them all of the sudden going to go rape someone else? If yes, they have issues to begin with. There are people that have their own sexual preferences and that is their choice in the privacy of their own home.

I have been threatened on here, real life and now someone finds it funny/or not to send me burial insurance emails or term life in excess. Does that mean everyone on earth is unhinged and need to be admitted into a hospital for professional help. People that have some sort of disorder or whatever using that as an excuse to to justify bad behavior? Do I judge all people according to that one person? No. At the end of the day everything is a choice and they can choose to make bad or good decisions. Most people that have some sort of mental illness or disorder are nice people and do not take it out on others. What you are saying OP makes sense in you being uncomfortable with it and it being/becoming a norm? I assume. Do not choke the chick. The end. Shaming others for their sexual preferences is not right either. Some carry it too far and fucked up people cry rape or abuse and it is not true. Do we judge all of the fucked up ones by the few?

Everyone should learn to be able to defend their self. If I want to own a gun or go out of my house after 6p.m. -I damn sure will and someone trying to take that right away is an idiot. The government has too much power and it is abused excessively. Personal agendas nine times out of ten. This has become the norm and that is what people should be talking about.

If anyone is in a sexual relationship with someone and they are not comfortable with a certain scenario- they should say so and a firm no. If that is not respected -they should move on. At the end of the day everyone has a choice/makes a choice. Some people are sexually compatible and some are not. Some are rapists/abusers some are not.
 

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I love how she said the bill to make a cerfew for men will "end discrimination"
All we have to do is discriminate against half the population to end discrimination!!!
I also love how "Gender Justice Specialist" is even a position. Nice that these rich trust fund kids are getting use out of their inter sectional studies degrees.
How much you'd want to wager this Natalie Collins character would be all for trans women, who haven't physical transitioned to being women and thus (trigger warning) biologically male participating in women's sports and entering women's locker rooms and bathrooms.
 

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Shaming others for their sexual preferences is not right either.

At the end of the day everyone has a choice/makes a choice. Some people are sexually compatible and some are not.
Yeah--this is pretty much how I feel too.

Also--you can't control other people's sexual interests. So spending too much emotional energy concerned about that is also not really helpful. Worrying about things you can't control is just draining and it takes away attention from the things that will benefit you. So I also don't feel like shaming other people's preferences for self-serving reasons as well. It takes a lot of energy when you get stuck in that sort of thing.

At least for myself and how I work.
 

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@WickerDeer This thread was very insightful though. Mentally brushing up against people on this forum you get an idea about them. Nothing is usually confirmed unless- they straight out say it. I learned a lot of new things. I also got confirmation on things I thought I may be right about. It is liken to a scent someone has in person or a certain style of clothes. In some cases it could be compared to someone's taste/texture -Like from a kiss for example. You do not forget it. Weird how that works. It is like everyone has their very own digital scent. One repetition in typing a similar statement in exact context and................

Like flipping a switch. There are some very colorful people in this thread/forum and I hope it helped them in some way. It was very illuminating. Like a few threads on here.
Sorry- I digress...
 

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I have read through this thread and it appears it turned into a therapy one for some. Which is a good thing. I however, stand by my previous statement. I have been grabbed by the throat as a child with my dad less than an inch from my face screaming at me, my ex husband that never displayed any physically violent tendencies grabbed me by the throat in front of our daughter. Hence leading to our divorce. An ex toxic relationship- he grabbed me by the throat and lifted me off the floor slamming me down (but, clams he never abused me because he did not physically hit me). rolls eyes

Point being I still will not judge others personal sexual preferences because of my real life experiences. I explained how my ex almost got a black eye.(not associated with any of the examples listed above but, an after event) Not everyone should be reacted to and judged off of the ones that make bad choices to hurt others whether rape, abuse or negative life experiences. I am not even going to touch on the other types of abuse as others listed prior.

I understand where the OP is coming from but, it is blown out of proportion. A husband and wife want to experiment.... is either of them all of the sudden going to go rape someone else? If yes, they have issues to begin with. There are people that have their own sexual preferences and that is their choice in the privacy of their own home.

I have been threatened on here, real life and now someone finds it funny/or not to send me burial insurance emails or term life in excess. Does that mean everyone on earth is unhinged and need to be admitted into a hospital for professional help. People that have some sort of disorder or whatever using that as an excuse to to justify bad behavior? Do I judge all people according to that one person? No. At the end of the day everything is a choice and they can choose to make bad or good decisions. Most people that have some sort of mental illness or disorder are nice people and do not take it out on others. What you are saying OP makes sense in you being uncomfortable with it and it being/becoming a norm? I assume. Do not choke the chick. The end. Shaming others for their sexual preferences is not right either. Some carry it too far and fucked up people cry rape or abuse and it is not true. Do we judge all of the fucked up ones by the few?

Everyone should learn to be able to defend their self. If I want to own a gun or go out of my house after 6p.m. -I damn sure will and someone trying to take that right away is an idiot. The government has too much power and it is abused excessively. Personal agendas nine times out of ten. This has become the norm and that is what people should be talking about.

If anyone is in a sexual relationship with someone and they are not comfortable with a certain scenario- they should say so and a firm no. If that is not respected -they should move on. At the end of the day everyone has a choice/makes a choice. Some people are sexually compatible and some are not. Some are rapists/abusers some are not.
If a prevalence of women did not have this head-kink, if it was just men who were deeply turned on by the idea of GET ON YOUR KNEES AND SERVICE THE COCK - ALL TIED UP.

It would be prototypical, fundamental, creepy-as-fuck "Rape Culture" - but because a prevalence of women do have this fantasy it's a "snuggle struggle" solely between "consenting adults"... !

But do you ever consider maybe the reason you see the world as a Patriarchal Rape Culture is because deep down you don't live by the principles you ascribe to? That you're projecting your own darknesses onto the world?

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That's the fundament of my issue with it - and my issue with it is, fine! MAN UP OR GET DOWN AND SERVICE THE COCK - just pick a street and stop doing this bug-eyed insanity where you project your own badly controlled instincts onto the world!

No but we can do both...!

No you can't!

That's why you're fucking failing at it!
 
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We have specialisation of labour for a reason - because it's not possible to do everything at the same time.

You all have to take the Nescafe Gold Pill, seriously:

 
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If a prevalence of women did not have this head-kink, if it was just men who were deeply turned on by the idea of GET ON YOUR KNEES AND SERVICE THE COCK - ALL TIED UP.

It would be prototypical, fundamental, creepy-as-fuck "Rape Culture" - but because a prevalence of women do have this fantasy it's a "snuggle struggle".

But do you ever consider maybe the reason you see the world as a Patriarchal Rape Culture is because deep down you don't live by the principles you ascribe to? That you're projecting your own darknesses onto the world?

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That's the fundament of my issue with it - and my issue with it is, fine! MAN UP OR GET DOWN AND SERVICE THE COCK - just pick a street and stop doing this bug-eyed insanity where you project your own badly controlled instincts onto the world!

No but we can do both...!

No you can't!

That's why you're fucking failing at it!
lol I stopped reading at this... ""snuggle struggle". You as usual misinterpret shit. Not a surprise. You have NO clue what that poem is about if- that is your one take away. Your holier-than-thou attitude continuously makes you look like


That is your MO. Do not ask people what they mean. Just run around half cocked thinking you are holier than now and attacking others. You may think

You are just an abusive hypocrite. You sir are not any better than the rape player or rapist you cry about. Mental rape is a thing too. You just do it in a different way and excuse it with your perceptions of right and wrong. If I want to get on my knees and suck a cock - I will. I like oral sex. I can not help that you have some demons with a percieved whore. Quit projecting. What makes you qualified to think you should go around verbally spanking everyone? Or people of your choosing? Look at me- such a whore because I type about sex. Or wait.... is it about something else? It is some dirty porn type shit XXX rated. Wait...

Oh yeah....the dirty bitch I am. I have not had sex in four+ years by choice. I have to be a whore because I type shit people get offended by.... OMG Honestly, my sample writing is an indication of how I could have been typing on here.
You just can not comprehend it. Your mind goes right to sex. The surface level is your A game use of interpretation skills. hahahah

This is your mission? Predictable.

Oh, you just metaphorically hit people and push them down. That is totally acceptable. Congatz!!! Everyone put Six on follow. He is the kindest, most honest and moral person on here. You always know who you are talking to when he types on this site. His mission in life is to try to mentally rape who HE deems worthy. Even for no reason. You are on the naughty list. He closes his eyes and points at the board on occasion. Stay off his radar.


How you like to portray yourself....


How you really are.....



Go back and read the poem again (nvm read the one before it)..... Six or...whoever you are. People like you are why I made Paradox3 to begin with.
 

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Edit: I found it. Man this is the most epic porn poem EVERRRRR...

What is a lock without a glowing key
It appears that could be an unknown enemy
Bend and meld
Held and smelled
Not scenting
Not Touching
No Blush
Not much

Circle the drain
You will go insane
Tick to the tock
Bounce that rock
Fun will come
Fun will go

Now all you can see is grey snow
Blurred vision and a tension for pension
Oil that gear because you Fear

Becoming predictable and boring
I am almost snoring
What an ego you have soaring
Absorbing your core as you try to keep up your score

Imploring your words and sounding absurd
Trust me, I am just a spectator of your sport
You may need to abort
The long game also needs the short
What do you say old sport?
 

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lol I stopped reading at this... ""snuggle struggle". You as usual misinterpret shit. Not a surprise. You have NO clue what that poem is about if- that is your one take away. Your holier-than-thou attitude continuously makes you look like


That is your MO. Do not ask people what they mean. Just run around half cocked thinking you are holier than now and attacking others. You may think

You are just an abusive hypocrite. You sir are not any better than the rape player or rapist you cry about. Mental rape is a thing too. You just do it in a different way and excuse it with your perceptions of right and wrong. If I want to get on my knees and suck a cock - I will. I like oral sex. I can not help that you have some demons with a percieved whore. Quit projecting. What makes you qualified to think you should go around verbally spanking everyone? Or people of your choosing? Look at me- such a whore because I type about sex. Or wait.... is it about something else? It is some dirty porn type shit XXX rated. Wait...

Oh yeah....the dirty bitch I am. I have not had sex in four+ years by choice. I have to be a whore because I type shit people get offended by.... OMG Honestly, my sample writing is an indication of how I could have been typing on here.
You just can not comprehend it. Your mind goes right to sex. The surface level is your A game use of interpretation skills. hahahah

This is your mission? Predictable.

Oh, you just metaphorically hit people and push them down. That is totally acceptable. Congatz!!! Everyone put Six on follow. He is the kindest, most honest and moral person on here. You always know who you are talking to when he types on this site. His mission in life is to try to mentally rape who HE deems worthy. Even for no reason. You are on the naughty list. He closes his eyes and points at the board on occasion. Stay off his radar.


How you like to portray yourself....


How you really are.....



Go back and read the poem again (nvm read the one before it)..... Six or...whoever you are. People like you are why I made Paradox3 to begin with.
What a coincidence sir I stopped reading at "I stopped reading at"...
 
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If a prevalence of women did not have this head-kink, if it was just men who were deeply turned on by the idea of GET ON YOUR KNEES AND SERVICE THE COCK - ALL TIED UP.

It would be prototypical, fundamental, creepy-as-fuck "Rape Culture" - but because a prevalence of women do have this fantasy it's a "snuggle struggle" solely between "consenting adults"... !

But do you ever consider maybe the reason you see the world as a Patriarchal Rape Culture is because deep down you don't live by the principles you ascribe to? That you're projecting your own darknesses onto the world?

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That's the fundament of my issue with it - and my issue with it is, fine! MAN UP OR GET DOWN AND SERVICE THE COCK - just pick a street and stop doing this bug-eyed insanity where you project your own badly controlled instincts onto the world!

No but we can do both...!

No you can't!

That's why you're fucking failing at it!
To be honest I find it very interesting that you (and another poster before too I believe) envision this as projecting instinct onto the world, as if the libidinal desires came first and were the reason for all causes and ideologies one embraced thus making them warped.
... Which I find interesting but my perspective would be more the contrary order for the cause and the effect. Meaning : sexual fantasies mutate according to how society (included ideologies) change, and since the current changes about genders are quite rapid and intense, it gives more prominence (or more airtime) to some kinks revolving around power dynamics between genders, as a way to work out through those changes which can be equally confusing for both genders (though women can take solace in the idea that they're surfing on the direction of history if that makes sense ? The idea of a "direction of history" appeals to me a bit though I'm not sure I'm sniffing this direction aptly. But anyway, I know a lot of women who are confused about if it's ok now to not want children for example, etc.)

I'm not prone to rape fantasies myself but for example it could be hypothesized that one reason why some women are attracted to it is because of all the talk about it (in the media but also between people) making fear about rape more acute, thus creating a need to work around it (I'm thinking of sexuality as a sort of playful not too consequential way to work around serious concerns). In the same vein, I guess all the changes brought about by social media could inflect sexuality to an extent. That's possible.
I've also seen my boyfriend sexual fantasies suddenly shortly take an unexpected direction just after he has worked his mind into a mess trying to understand if he was unconsciously misogynist. So that'd be another example of that, albeit anecdotal.

(On a side note I'm not a fan of extremely grandiloquent concepts such a "Patriarchal Rape Culture". I consider it to be eventually a facet of the culture we live if need be but then only one facet amongst several others. Though I understand how the intense and bellicose rhetoric about how rape culture and patriarchy are the overarching principles governing the world can become necessary to have the ear of political leaders who could otherwise have other agendas to follow than to take measure against rape, inequalities, etc.)

As for the "living to the principles you ascribe too" argument ... The consistency you advocate for here is honey to my Ji-dom ears (not that I'd wish anyone to become as rigid as I am, that's quite a heavy way to live) but how far can be push to end all cognitive and behavioral dissonance before it backfires and causes more harm than good ? I'm really asking the question cause I'm failing to brainstorm the consequences here.

Also, what do you fear with the fact that women display dissonant behaviors in different areas of their life ? Is it that it could generate confusion for men to the point that they end up getting in trouble with the law, raping, etc ?

If the consequence is that, then I think that's a valid concern but maybe not so in the scenario you had first mentioned. Because ... Well against : consent. The concept has just been mediatized exactly in the aim of discriminating what is sexual agression and what is not. And Idk how it was done in another countries but here there was no dearth of pedagogy about how the other person needs to be conscious so that sex during sleep for example is a problem, etc., etc.
 

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To be honest I find it very interesting that you (and another poster before too I believe) envision this as projecting instinct onto the world, as if the libidinal desires came first and were the reason for all causes and ideologies one embraced thus making them warped.
Well some things maybe shouldn't be thought of in a linear sequence of cause and effect.

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Phenomena R is made of both B and C simultaneously.

... Which I find interesting but my perspective would be more the contrary order for the cause and the effect. Meaning : sexual fantasies mutate according to how society (included ideologies) change, and since the current changes about genders are quite rapid and intense
I don't think such changes fall out of the sky - they're a product of technology (not that I need to account for that for the purposes of this conversation here).

, it gives more prominence (or more airtime) to some kinks revolving around power dynamics between genders, as a way to work out through those changes which can be equally confusing for both genders
Could be. I think it's not quite that - I think it's the struggle of Self-Consciousness:

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A kink. An interruption in flow... where did that word emerge to describe such a process?

(I haven't stuck a bunch of women's heads in an MRI machine so you'll have to take my unsubstantiated speculation as what it's worth) - but I feel this may be less (or not exclusively) to do with gender roles so much as the Agony of the Self. The left side of the orbitofrontal cortex...

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...and the extension of mind into Media!

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You can ask a woman who's into this stuff why - in a wholly open, accommodating sense - she'll tell you (these are at least the themes I've picked out)..

"...it allows me to switch my brain off..."

"...it lets me stop thinking and just go with it..."

"...it lets me feel it and enjoy it instead of feeling self-conscious..."


You know these are the themes - and self-consciousness is a very difficult thing.

Too many mind. Mind of sword. Mind of people watching. Mind of enemy. Too many mind: No mind.


Try it - snooker, sonata, swordplay, sex - anything where you are exerting self-awareness or self-consciousness it will interrupt your capability and ability to Flow...

Swiping, Liking, Narratives, Pigeonholes, Selfies, Rabbit Holes, Followers, Subscribers, #HashtagNoMakeup, Slide Into The DMs, Tagging, Photoshopping - constant Constructs until your mind is worried and erred away by an overacted, exhausted sense of Self - a subject making an object of itself, so titanic and overloaded it misfires and runs its trauma over every aspect of waking life.

Is the answer to that to be Raped? Sorry - Simulated Rape. Not Rape. Taken. Forced. To be free of agency - of self-authorship.

No mind.

To be able to tell yourself: "I'm not Me - this isn't Me - I'm Not Doing This - I Am An Object - I Am Not Me - This Isn't Me!"

Me? Me! Me! I - Me - I'm So Fucking Important Surely Me! ME?! I! MEEEEEEE

Is that really the best way to do it? Or are you avoiding what is the actual challenge of holding your self-consciousness to one side - should I deprive you of that ability?

I read the theory once, that the human intellect was like peacock feathers. All of art, literature, a bit of mozart, william shakespeare, michaelangelo and the empire state building - all just an elaborate mating ritual. Perhaps it doesn't matter that we have accomplished so much for the basest of reasons... but of course, the peacock? Can barely fly! It lives in the dirt, picking insects out of the muck.

Consoling itself with its... great beauty.


I have come to see so much of consciousness as a burden - a weight: And we have spared them that. Anxiety. Self-loathing. Guilt. The Hosts are the ones who are free! Free. Here. Under My Control!


(though women can take solace in the idea that they're surfing on the direction of history if that makes sense ? The idea of a "direction of history" appeals to me a bit though I'm not sure I'm sniffing this direction aptly. But anyway, I know a lot of women who are confused about if it's ok now to not want children for example, etc.)
Is the right side of history:

A. To allow you to make me the source of your deprivation of Agency? So you can finally feel free of your own battered Self-Consciousness?
B. Or is it to help you to find within yourself the strength, manifestation and self-authorship which allows you to stop feeling so self-conscious?

I think a lot of women feel as if they prefer option A.

I think that's gutless.

I'm not prone to rape fantasies myself but for example it could be hypothesized that one reason why some women are attracted to it is because of all the talk about it (in the media but also between people) making fear about rape more acute, thus creating a need to work around it (I'm thinking of sexuality as a sort of playful not too consequential way to work around serious concerns). In the same vein, I guess all the changes brought about by social media could inflect sexuality to an extent. That's possible.
It's all the same thing.

I've also seen my boyfriend sexual fantasies suddenly shortly take an unexpected direction just after he has worked his mind into a mess trying to understand if he was unconsciously misogynist. So that'd be another example of that, albeit anecdotal.
Possibly.

(On a side note I'm not a fan of extremely grandiloquent concepts such a "Patriarchal Rape Culture". I consider it to be eventually a facet of the culture we live if need be but then only one facet amongst several others. Though I understand how the intense and bellicose rhetoric about how rape culture and patriarchy are the overarching principles governing the world can become necessary to have the ear of political leaders who could otherwise have other agendas to follow than to take measure against rape, inequalities, etc.)
Yeah or it's being done to provide soft, fuzzy distractions from foreign wars and the hollowing out of the middle class - there's so much mileage in gender and race war after all...

As for the "living to the principles you ascribe too" argument ... The consistency you advocate for here is honey to my Ji-dom ears (not that I'd wish anyone to become as rigid as I am, that's quite a heavy way to live) but how far can be push to end all cognitive and behavioral dissonance before it backfires and causes more harm than good ? I'm really asking the question cause I'm failing to brainstorm the consequences here.
Some contradictions are fine and some aren't - contradictions which you writ large upon society and others so as to indulge your selfish desire to be two mutually exclusive things at the same time aren't.

You're an adult - whether you like it or not.

Also, what do you fear with the fact that women display dissonant behaviors in different areas of their life ? Is it that it could generate confusion for men to the point that they end up getting in trouble with the law, raping, etc ?
I don't like it for women themselves - I don't think it's good for your self-development. I don't think it's responsible to batter society over the head with an ever-present, unconscious, systemic wronghood you claim you're the victim of and then practice it in your own bedroom - it shows a lack of spine - an inability to be an effective moral agent.

@ENIGMA2019 If that makes you feel like I'm being holier than thou remind me not to trust you with anything important.

If the consequence is that, then I think that's a valid concern but maybe not so in the scenario you had first mentioned. Because ... Well against : consent. The concept has just been mediatized exactly in the aim of discriminating what is sexual agression and what is not. And Idk how it was done in another countries but here there was no dearth of pedagogy about how the other person needs to be conscious so that sex during sleep for example is a problem, etc., etc.
Yeah but consent is being worn away in the direction of meaning absolutely nothing - you can have consent rendered into non-consent ex post facto as soon as you realise you didn't actually like what happened.

This is why you get labels on peanuts saying May Contain Peanuts - people don't like responsibility and consent carries terms of functionally mature, mentally fit adulthood - and as we know adulting is so hard isn't it...

DADDY! DADDY! Find an adult to give consent for you I guess ... ?

(And you know I'm still saying a lot of this with my tongue firmly in my cheek - this is spam)!
 
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@ENIGMA2019 If that makes you feel like I'm being holier than thou remind me not to trust you with anything important.
I will trust you with something I learned a long time ago. Life/people are a lot like math. You have some that are mathematical geniuses, some that think they are or others that could care less. Everyone has to be taught first- right? If the equation is foreign to you or you are missing parts of it- it does not equal a sum. The attempt to solve it is called a guesstimate or it is wrong. Until ~you have the full equation/missing parts, been shown how to solve it or you could care less in the first place. shrugs

I retract my holier than thou statement. Methods matter though.
 
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