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I think the sources present too many stereotypes in the descriptions to be taken very seriously but I found the career suggestions for 4s, 5s and 6s the most appealing. I am interested in research, improving social issues, sciences, especially psychology, medicine, biochemistry, statistics.

I have had troubles finding my own career. Some time ago I realized I have been looking for this highly idealistic and special career, work that would be so great and meaningful that it would not feel work at all.

Ever since I've been developing though, of course I want to have a stable financial situation and be able to have a life including my own home, preferably the kind of home I (or technically, we) want. I do feel a bit sad for the thought of giving up my idealistic principles to even some extent but also very determined to finally finish my major and degrees and transform my life from being a student to being someone with a permanent job and income. I could never allow my SO to provide for me, I want to be financially independent (and I am and will be in the future too).

I want to be highly educated and I want to be well paid for what I can do then but I cannot see myself only doing something completely common (and boring) just for the financial benefits. However, I can see myself accepting a job that includes something like that as long as the job also includes aspects I'm really passionate about. I want to find 'my thing' and I want to make a difference and improve things knowing that what I'm doing is truly meaningful.
 

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Type 6 – I have read a lot about phobic/counterphobic sixes in various enneagram books and I must say that it’s hard to buy into the hype. A “counterphobic six” is really just a mood they might go through on a bad day. And certainly when considering a career, a six should think about who they really are, which is friendly, adaptable, cautious, meticulous, loyal and a great team player. By nature, they are not daredevil lawbreakers and, in the long run, would not be happy in occupations with high risk, no matter how “counterphobic” they may be feeling!

Suggested Careers for Sixes: There are plenty of great careers for sixes, providing there are plenty of jobs available.

Paralegal
Elementary School Teacher
Child-Care Worker
Administrative Assistant/Secretary
Credit/Loans Officer or Counselor
Escort/Security Guard
Financial Aid Counselor
Public Notary
Actuarial Scientist
Health and Safety Inspector
Banker
Technical Support
Insurance Underwriter

Type 6 – Of all the types, 6′s may have the easiest time finding a job that fits. This is because a 6 needs to feel secure in their field and generally makes a great long-term employee. As a 6, you might rather know where your next paycheck is coming from than find the “perfect” fit. It’s a tough world out there and many people have difficulty making ends meet. You don’t want to be one of the “dreaded” unemployed. You also like working for a company that has a good group of people where you can fit in and attain a sense of belonging. Any job without any sense of camaraderie and security is likely to frustrate you.

Careers for 6′s to Avoid

Travel-writer/Journalist
Small business owner (too much autonomy for your type)
Investment Banker
Actor
Pilot (Too solitary)
Freelance Designer (or anything freelance, really)
<.< the above was written by some incompetent retard called Mike. Stuff like this really piss me off, I do not understand why people give opinions on stuff they have absolutely no idea about.

I know I'm a 6, but fuck working for companies and corporations unless I have complete control over my paycheck & life. Tell me why I should be loyal to a company that only cares for the profit they make off the backs of their employees? (which is pretty much what is happening everywhere). Having another entity dictate when I should wake up, how much I should earn and what project I should work on is NOT what I'd call SECURITY. I do not care all that much about the money as long as it is sufficient to cover my expenses. I care more about having a job I enjoy, which has some personal meaning other then surviving for one more day, week, year. A life spent doing useless things is a life wasted imo and I'd rather cut my wrists right now then go back into that nihilistic hellhole I found myself in 8-th grade.

Someone HAS to say this: There is no such thing as a stable & secure job with a steady paycheck. NOT ANYMORE. You were hired? Prepare to fight for your job every day because your boss can fire you any time he/she wants to. There are plenty of other people who are just as qualified as you are, people who are standing in line w8ting for you to fuck up & get fired, you are not irreplaceable, not even with a collage degree and experience on the job.

I have seen it so many times since I went to work, skilled people with diplomas and collage getting fired for something like wanting more money then minimum wage after working for a year. In all honesty I haven't seen my boss (the administrator) break a sweat over firing someone and getting someone else who accepts a lower wage.

Wanna know what I do and why I haven't been fired yet? I Speak 5 languages and my boss can't speak the native language of the country he is in, fuck he only speaks German. I do the jobs of the secretary, the system & network administrator, I acquire the raw materials that are needed for production AND I am the companies ONLY ISO certified environmental manager. I do all of this for a shit salary that wouldn't even allow me to move out and live on my own.

So yeah...I'm pissed..like really PISSED. Collage is worth shit, I could get fired if I'd ask for more money because I have a collage degree and to be honest the entire economy of this planet is fucked up & unfair. Someone working at Mc'Donalds in the US earns 4 times more then I do and they pay about the same for gas, electricity, internet...slowly even for food. I pay more for an Intel processor by about 15 euros then some other guy in England, Germany or the US. How is this fair?

My goal is to ride this out, make use of the experience and become a freelance programmer, so that I can finally achieve workable living conditions at the very least. It will be my revenge against the world & this shitty system we seem to just follow blindly.
 

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Yeah, that site is full of stereotypes and that counterphobic comment didn't please me either. And then:


Suggested Careers for Sixes: There are plenty of great careers for sixes, providing there are plenty of jobs available.


Lol so the other types get a specific description and we get this...it's like, "oh whatever else is left is good for sixes."

Anyway, the jobs listed there do not attract me whatsoever. An interesting point in the "bad" jobs though...I'm actually working as a freelancer now and I do wish I had a more stable job. I thought I would like this in the beginning, but it turns out I don't. I mean, I guess I wasn't into translation as much as I thought I was. And I don't earn much and I need to save up more money than this, damnit.

I will not blindly work for any company though. If they are earning money manipulating people, then I want out. I can't imagine myself doing that. I want to do something meaningful. And I don't want to slave away in vain. If I have to work my ass off my whole life, at least let it be meaningful and/or useful. At least let it be a positive contribution.

So I've considered librarian recently. I've been looking into getting a job as an assistant librarian. And sure, it might be boring and monotonous, but at least I'd be contributing to something I believe in. Literacy is GREAT, libraries are GREAT. Plus, at least I'll have a paycheck to look forward to. With my current job, I've had to wait a long ass time to get paid. In fact, I'm still waiting to get paid for a big translation I made and it's pissing me off because I need the money.

Maybe in the future I'd consider some other freelance job, but it depends on what it would be and if it would be able to sustain me.
I've also daydreamed about maybe opening a café/bookstore, but that would have to be later on in the future.
 

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@FreeBeer, frankly I think you are making things more difficult for yourself and not really advancing your own happiness. Sometimes it is easier and wiser to let it be rather than fight back. Also I think there are huge work related problems and issues that should be improved but while those are being improved, my philosophy is to adapt just as much as it takes to get what I want. However, I do admit that my life situation could be less challenging than some others' so I'll have to leave mental space for still being too idealistic and naive about the way things are.


Someone HAS to say this: There is no such thing as a stable & secure job with a steady paycheck. NOT ANYMORE.
I want to nitpick about this - there are such things as stable and secure jobs with steady paychecks. In my country at least. If you are selected to this office, tenure, and you survive through the probation they usually require, you cannot be legally fired except for very heavy reasons like criminal activity or breaking extremely essential rules and agreements related to your working position. One of my goals in life is to get office like that, have that work for the rest of my life (if I want so) but it has never been as important for me as for my SO for example who I think represents more stereotypical 6 in many aspects.
 

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This stuff probably depends on the country one lives in. I live in East-Eu Romania. The salary for someone of my qualifications with collage degree here is about 217-260 Euro a month 2600 - 3100 Euro a year (considered a damn good salary aka "You lucky son of a bich!") and yeah they can replace me if they want to, they'd just come up with a reason and ask me to resign the same way other people were told.

I can huff and puff all I want my dad with engineering degrees & other diplomas who is a technical director with 20 years of experience in the field and responsible for water & central heating systems in several counties only gets 440 Euros a month or 5220 euros a year.

To be honest if someone here wants to make a living they have to move out of the country, find a loophole, work the political system and steal money or become the manager CEO of some big foreign company. The situation is quite grim indeed & I am not making any of this up. Stuff like this is why the doctors are leaving the country and so are other people. Corruption everywhere lol.."the ship is sinking" so to say and I do not want to sink with it...thou I have a responsibility towards my family.

Jobs & careers depend on a lot of factors other then personality, thou the preference depends on personality imo. Sometimes what one needs to do is not directly in line with what one would like to do. Currently my job involves doing the things I dislike the most, because the things I'm good at & would rather do...do not pay enough for me to meet basic needs.

o.o I'm sure a lot of E6-es are in similar situations and our preference for types of careers will also depend on our personality types outside of type 6-es influence zone: INFP 6 will not want the same as ISTJ 6. Also we shouldn't forget the influence of the environment, exterior forces have a lot to say about what one can do and what one has to fight tooth and nail for.

^^; I think I have it pretty damn awesomely thou compared to a lot of other people's problems. Life is good, but the question of careers is far more complicated then assigning them based on what enneagram type one is.

Ideally I'd do ISTP-ish stuff. I like fixing machines, solving problems & building practical/well designed/functional stuff. Especially if I help others through this. :) other then that all I want is to hang around with my friends doing interesting activities & to continue learning languages, psychology, philosophy, science. <===there is my complete answer as a 6w7 so/sx :).
 

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@FreeBeer I agree with you when you say that there is no such thing as a stable & secure job anymore. Of course, there are exceptions and this may not be as true in some places, but the truth is we've got a major crisis going on. And will there ever be those "jobs for forever" after this again? Who knows. It's just a lot harder nowadays.

I live in Portugal right now and things aren't so great here either. Many, and I mean many, young people with degrees are emigrating because they just can't find jobs. I've seen some work ads floating around that ask for a crazy amount of requisites and then only offer minimum wage. It's absolutely ridiculous.

I'm not staying here much longer either. I'm a US citizen and I intend to move back. Hopefully, things will work out and I'll get a job there. It just sucks that I have to leave my family, especially my little brother, behind. :(
 

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As for me.

I have to admit, I found the stuff listed (both under "good" and "bad" career choices) to be insulting. I could deconstruct it at length, but I've done that so many other times I'll forgo the rant today. @FreeBeer's rant was close enough.


I did find it amusing that most of the stuff listed under "bad" career choices for type 6, though, are like my dream jobs, whereas the "good" choices seem...boring. You may notice I submitted a comment to that effect on the website.


I am currently nearly 30 and I still don't know wtf I want to do with my life. For now, like many of you, I'm one of the economic refugees of the 2008 financial crisis; serving no economic role post-graduation, I have chosen to wander the world whoring out my English language skills for a pittance. Would I like more financial and medical security? Yeah. But I remind myself that I'm no worse off than anyone else in the great country of Cambodia. I'm not compromising doing the things I enjoy just for money.


If I had a dream job...I'm not overly concerned with idealistic stuff, like "making the world a better place" (as if that's going to happen), but I'd ideally take something that allows freedom and a flexible timeframe (so I can stay up till 3am you know) and still allows me to explore the world. Hopefully, I'd also make an impact on earth and be remembered for something.


I still haven't found that one thing I'd like to do for the whole rest of my life, but if I ever do, I won't hesitate to build my career around it.

And those are my thoughts about ideal careers.
 

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From the first link, the list of suggested careers and my responses:

  • Paralegal
Kill me now. Law plus subordination to lawyers? Seriously? No.

  • Elementary School Teacher
No, seriously, kill me now. Lots of little kids, at least half of them making way more noise than my ears can handle, some larger percentage probably on medication because hey that's the fad of the day, all wrapped up in a formal educational structure designed to test the creativity right out of them and I get to be the instrument of that damage PLUS get sick every other week from the little developing immune systems? Yay! No.
  • Child-Care Worker
See above.

  • Administrative Assistant/Secretary
If I can't even keep my own desk organized, how I am supposed to do it for anyone else? Plus which I will always remember my disgust when temping one summer as I watched the head of the company walk right past the photocopier all the way to my desk just to ask me to make a copy of one sheet of paper. Because clearly placing the paper on the copier and pressing the button is just too much for her executive brain. So ... no.

  • Credit/Loans Officer or Counselor
OMG debt stresses me out as a concept! I could just see myself stressed out all the time because I get to discuss, research and attend to money that people use but that isn't even there to begin with. Awesome. No.

  • Escort/Security Guard
Okay, this is just getting annoying. No.

  • Financial Aid Counselor
Between my perspective on debt/loans, my critical analysis of formal educational institutions and my frustration with rigid arcane and overly complex procedures and policies this would be ... yeah no.
  • Public Notary
No. Functionary. Boring. And way too much Serious Legal Whatevers for my taste.

  • Actuarial Scientist
I don't even know what this is but it doesn't sound appealing at ALL.

  • Health and Safety Inspector
That's right, give someone who will see danger around every corner this job. Because what we really want is a) for no one to ever pass inspection ever ever and b) for me to make a living from looking out for dangers. *twitch* No

No for so many reasons NO.

  • Technical Support
This is the only one that could be a yes for me. I love troubleshooting. Problem is I'm only so much of a techie and then no more and I'm cursing at the machines. But compared with the others, it's almost do-able.

  • Insurance Underwriter
OH HELL NO. First of all, I think insurance is a scam. Second I'm against the BS they do where they assess risk because the whole point is to take as much of people's money as possible and avoid paying out claims - yay capitalism and total lack of humanity. And finally, again with the pointless complex policies and procedures that have nothing to do with human realities and needs.

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So either I'm actually not a 6 (unlikely because the deeper stuff fits me really well much as I wish it didn't) or this list is bullshit or something about being both INFJ and 6 cancels out the side of me that would want jobs like this or hey maybe this list is bullshit or ...?

Wow. That was kind of fun to write, in any case.
 

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Thank you for saying it so that I don't have to. I'd be interested in hearing your responses for "jobs to avoid"!
My pleasure!

So, yeah, I looked at that one too thinking maybe I would do that, but found myself overcome with a near-blinding rush of boredom for that part of the project. Someone else has got to take that one, sad to say.

I do, however, wonder if we would do well in something like international espionage, ie:


  • Stay alert! STAY ALERT DAMMIT!
  • Is that person over there looking at me?
  • Will they try to harm my family?
  • You want me to hang stealthily from WHERE in that harness? That doesn't look right. Have you tested that thing? What about if it's windy, does it still hold up in the wind? I don't know, it really doesn't look right.
  • If the mission actually is impossible, we really need to rethink and come up with another mission. Seriously. No, playing the damn theme music isn't helping. I mean it.

... and so on (feel free to add if so inspired)

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Actually I do have something to say about the second link/bad career choices. I love the "don't give 6s too much autonomy" theme. I myself always feel best when wrapped securely in a strong pink swaddling blanket.

Yeah, it's really looking like someone else will have to take that list on.
 

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Actually I do have something to say about the second link/bad career choices. I love the "don't give 6s too much autonomy" theme. I myself always feel best when wrapped securely in a strong pink swaddling blanket.
Yeah, that was pretty retarded. "I can't think for myself. Please control my life for me. I didn't grow past the age of three."

Dobby is not wanting TOO MUCH freedom, Harry Potter, sir!
 

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This list is hilarious, for the very reason that half the careers to avoid are actually those I've seriously considered or plan on going into in the near future, specifically freelance work, small business, and writing.

@holyrockthrower You already have your undergrad degree in Linguistics, correct?
 

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Undergrad degrees in International Affairs and History, with specializations in Asian Studies, Middle Eastern Studies, and Arabic.
Then I was way off. It makes my hair-splitting dilemma over choosing General Linguistics or Linguistics with a focus on TESOL seem insignificant in comparison. Reason being, there are several careers I'd like to try, maybe even several at once, but jobs seem to prioritize one or another, and with the first option, there would be more doors, but for an area like ESL teaching, I figured they'd want someone with more specialized knowledge and experience. That, and the fact that the breadth option interests me more on a purely intellectual level.
 
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Then I was way off. It makes my hair-splitting dilemma over choosing General Linguistics or Linguistics with a focus on TESOL seem insignificant in comparison. Reason being, there are several careers I'd like to try, maybe even several at once, but jobs seem to prioritize one or another, and with the first option, there would be more doors, but for an area like ESL teaching, I figured they'd want someone with more specialized knowledge and experience. That, and the fact that the breadth option interests me more on a purely intellectual level.
Depends on where you'd like to teach. If you're going to do ESL in the US, you'd be advised to focus on TESOL. If you'd like to go around the world, you don't need anything but a 2-week TESOL certificate, which you can buy from virtually anyone. Standards are incredibly low; mine is not exactly an "honorable profession". If you take this route, you can always move on to a more industrialized country with higher standards (Japan, for instance, then the US) without ever bothering to focus on getting a TESOL degree.

I'm inclined to tell you to go for the major that interests you most and work from there.
 

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Depends on where you'd like to teach. If you're going to do ESL in the US, you'd be advised to focus on TESOL. If you'd like to go around the world, you don't need anything but a 2-week TESOL certificate, which you can buy from virtually anyone. Standards are incredibly low; mine is not exactly an "honorable profession". If you take this route, you can always move on to a more industrialized country with higher standards (Japan, for instance, then the US) without ever bothering to focus on getting a TESOL degree.

I'm inclined to tell you to go for the major that interests you most and work from there.
Hey, thanks. And do you have any certification in addition to your degree?
 
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No, seriously, kill me now. Lots of little kids, at least half of them making way more noise than my ears can handle, some larger percentage probably on medication because hey that's the fad of the day, all wrapped up in a formal educational structure designed to test the creativity right out of them and I get to be the instrument of that damage PLUS get sick every other week from the little developing immune systems? Yay! No.
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If I can't even keep my own desk organized, how I am supposed to do it for anyone else? Plus which I will always remember my disgust when temping one summer as I watched the head of the company walk right past the photocopier all the way to my desk just to ask me to make a copy of one sheet of paper. Because clearly placing the paper on the copier and pressing the button is just too much for her executive brain. So ... no.
XD awesome. :) thx for the laugh. I like you haha.
 

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I was in law school before I decided to drop out because I realised I didn't want to be a lawyer. I've seriously considered the military. I'm a TEFL teacher but that's more of a "in the mean time" thing. I sort of want to get into politics.

Really though, I want to be a writer. That's what I want to be.
 
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