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Nothing wrong with being confrontational, I just feel on edge around those people and rather not be around them. It feels like a sense of imminent danger or something.

Well in the other thread it seemed like you were Te PoLR so I thought you settled on it.
Oh right. It make me feel nervous as well, until I realise they have good intentions and their assertiveness its actually quite helpful to me and/or other people.

Yeah I'm considering Te PoLR, but ITR wise I don't see the appeal in Ti ego, or see it as my one of my own super id functions.
 

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Oh right. It make me feel nervous as well, until I realise they have good intentions and their assertiveness its actually quite helpful to me and/or other people.

Yeah I'm considering Te PoLR, but ITR wise I don't see the appeal in Ti ego, or see it as my one of my own super id functions.
Yea that it takes me a second to witness it as helpful but that's how I experience it also.

Ok well keep shopping around I guess, eventually you'll get your type and it will all makes sense lol.
 

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Oh right. It make me feel nervous as well, until I realise they have good intentions and their assertiveness its actually quite helpful to me and/or other people.

Yeah I'm considering Te PoLR, but ITR wise I don't see the appeal in Ti ego, or see it as my one of my own super id functions.
Ti+ or Ti-? Socially or intimately? If your partner, for instance, is Ti+ ego, that means that socially he does the thinking and you don’t, while intimately it’s reversed.
 

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Ti+ or Ti-? Socially or intimately? If your partner, for instance, is Ti+ ego, that means that socially he does the thinking and you don’t, while intimately it’s reversed.
I was describing social situations because the OP was asking about how people first met their duals. I never thought about the switch between thinking and ethics, but I suppose that's true.

No idea about Ti+ or Ti- (I only know that Ti+ is LSI and Ti- is LII). It's hard to tell if they are a logical or ethical type socially. I guess when working with them they helped me with the practical/physical side of the work (which is Te+ i'm guessing). He also worked just by communicating and discussing things more than most people did, which I appreciated. By communicating I mean discussing the best options with people, asking for opinions and requesting each person to do a specific task. Instead of just automatically doing things he actually talked about things.

Ti+ is about the sequence of events rights? Something I also noticed he wasn't good at following procedures correctly, so I tried to assist by watching what he did because he was at some points he did the practical in a very spontaneous manner. But he was good at cooperating and had a tendency to know what I was thinking, like I didn't even have to say anything. That's why I thought my dual might be an ethical type, or a type that uses Fe+.

Most people seem to work without really talking, and that frustrates me sometimes. but it's also because that's what I do as well, that's what I meant in my first post about not liking people who are too similar.
 

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I was describing social situations because the OP was asking about how people first met their duals. I never thought about the switch between thinking and ethics, but I suppose that's true.

No idea about Ti+ or Ti- (I only know that Ti+ is LSI and Ti- is LII). It's hard to tell if they are a logical or ethical type socially. I guess when working with them they helped me with the practical/physical side of the work (which is Te+ i'm guessing). He also worked just by communicating and discussing things more than most people did, which I appreciated. By communicating I mean discussing the best options with people, asking for opinions and requesting each person to do a specific task. Instead of just automatically doing things he actually talked about things.

Ti+ is about the sequence of events rights? Something I also noticed he wasn't good at following procedures correctly, so I tried to assist by watching what he did because he was at some points he did the practical in a very spontaneous manner. But he was good at cooperating and had a tendency to know what I was thinking, like I didn't even have to say anything. That's why I thought my dual might be an ethical type, or a type that uses Fe+.

Most people seem to work without really talking, and that frustrates me sometimes. but it's also because that's what I do as well, that's what I meant in my first post about not liking people who are too similar.
That guy would probably be an introverted positivist.
 

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Just realised that duals are the same on the result/process dichotomy. Does that dichotomy switch as well?

Either that or that person isn't actually my dual type (if i'm more like a result type) Now I think about it though Process is quite obvious for them xD
 

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Just realised that duals are the same on the result/process dichotomy. Does that dichotomy switch as well?

Either that or that person isn't actually my dual type (if i'm more like a result type) Now I think about it though Process is quite obvious for them xD
Yeah, should be reversed.
 

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Oh hey! Well, my first experience with my dual ended pretty tragically and was waaay before I was aware of any kind of typology, not even MBTI.

Funny story actually. This LSE lived in the same dorm complex and building as me and my roommate my freshman year of college. He was actually actively pursuing my roommate, while I was having a fling of sorts with his roommate that I had been interested in for awhile. We all had a mutual group of friends. This LSE wasn't particularly attractive to me at the time, but over the summer months he suddenly started messaging me and I ended up just falling for him after a time. He was extremely charismatic and always looking for the opportunity to prove his worth (very 3w2). Anyway, it was my first serious relationship. There was something indescribably complimentary about it that I had never experienced before, like I'd found what I was missing with anyone else I had ever tried to connect with. I admired his ability to get things done in an almost effortless way and he was able to pick up on my emotional state and cheer me up almost intuitively. With him by my side, I felt like I could focus on my ideas, and goals for the future. I knew what needed to be done to succeed, and he'd take on the tasks that it took to get there. It's a weird sense of "knowing" that we each had our essential role to play. Sounds nice and all, but it ended up being quite toxic. We were both sx first, him being sx/so, and me being sx/sp, it kind of makes sense why it blew up the way it did, but at the time it was very confusing because I couldn't wrap my head around why it wasn't working (even my type 9 self couldn't keep the peace). It felt like everything I could have wanted, all the right pieces were there, and we both knew it, but it was a very unhealthy relationship nonetheless and we couldn't stop fighting.


Alright, LSE #2 ! This one is less tragic. Fast forward to a few months ago, I started a job at an ambulance company. At this point, I was deep into enneagram/typology and had gotten quite good a typing people that I knew well. The very first day I met the COO, he ran into the front office with such a bizarre, flamboyant energy it almost frightened me! Instead of saying hello to me and shaking my hand, like say, a normal human being, he ran into the neighboring office and said "Well who is!?" with loud, pleasant enthusiasm before running up to me and introducing himself. OH, one interesting thing about LSE, is they kind of have what I'd call Se "crazy eyes". Being Ni polar, it's like you can almost see the Se in their eyes. I knew right away that he was likely an so/sx. In an LSE, it's a strange combination, because so/sx by nature is all inclusive and drawn to people, but the Te-Si nature combined with strong Se makes this type very...abrasive. Initially over the course of working in an office adjacent to his, I went back and forth between liking him (as a person) and being extremely annoyed by him. He would be very welcoming, yet sometimes he would say things that really...pissed me off. Almost like he was trying to antagonize me or challenge me to do better. The vibe I was getting from him was that he judged me right away as this boring, introvert that he was eventually going to catch goofing off and he needed to make sure to exert his superiority and status, so that I didn't test my limits. In response, I made purposeful attempt to befriend many people in the office and be supportive and encouraging (which I mean, I'm a 9, I do this by nature, but I was intentionally showing off my value to the workplace through bringing people together to cooperate.) Eventually, I think he started taking a special liking to me (as a person I assume, not romantically) It was when he started to notice my strengths and learn about some of my long term goals, that he seemed to become thoroughly impressed with me. Unfortunately, this job wasn't the easiest for me. As a medical billing specialist, it was very Si-Te heavy work, and I could do it, but halfway through the day I was mentally exhausted and I would have to slow down and was more prone to making careless mistakes. I was already thinking of pursing another job, when my supervisor & I were starting to have problems with each other. It was well known in the office that the way she chose to bill out some insurance claims was incorrect and I would often have to deal with calls of devastated patients because they were being billed for thousands of dollars unfairly. Long story short there ended up being a disagreement and supervisor decided she wanted to put me in a bad light to LSE. I was pulled into an office with LSE and supervisor and LSE was pretty hard on me. I started crying because I felt like I had been pulled into a situation where I had no place to defend myself and they both were against me. I hate crying in front of people more than anything, but I couldn't stop in from happening. LSE kind of fled from that situation after finishing what he had to say. I ignored him for the next couple days and put in my 2 weeks the following Monday because I had nothing more to gain working in that kind of environment and I wasn't enjoying myself. He heard news from coworkers I was friends with that I had plans to join the Peace Corps and get my TEFL in Costa Rica so I could become fluent in Spanish, which has been a goal of mine for some time. He asked me a little bit about this and again seemed really impressed by that. It wasn't until my last day though, that he walked into my office (shared with 3 other coworkers) and announced that he was leaving for the day, but he looked at me and said it was a pleasure to have had me there, he was sorry to see me go, and he apologized to me! In front of my coworkers! He said that if he can't keep an employee then that says something about how he's managing the place and how he should improve. Then he invited me to come back and visit anytime. He really emphasized that I should come back to visit. It was the nicest, most genuine thing I ever heard come out of his mouth the whole time that I had worked there, thinking about it makes me almost tear up.

Sorry if that was a bit long. I tried not to beat around the bush too much. I really can only hope to meet an so/sx dual again. Preferably my age and not married with children..... Kind of leaves me feeling like any other kind of relationship will leave me wanting more. But *shrug* maybe that's just the sx/sp in me.
 

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Fun fact about duality, apparently only about 45% of married couples are duals :D The other 65% were said to be identical, mirror, activity and the other relations were a lot less common.

Duality relationships are said to improve your physical health and well being. Any fears are said to disappear after being a duality relationship. Very much an ILE perspective there I think, because there's a such a focus on physical health and comfort. They seem to paint the idea of a very "perfect" relationship that resolves all your personal issues and fears.

Conflicting relations are supposed to seem attractive at first sight - the conflictor appears interesting because they are so different - but those relations end up being detrimental to your health.
 

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You mean they made the subtype because some traits are stronger in certain people, even though that doesn't change their type?
I think he meant that the person perceives certain traits (or elements) more than others in a personality type, resulting in a certain element appearing stronger or more significant in the person than it actually is. The perception of the person they are typing is idiosyncratic.
 

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Fun fact about duality, apparently only about 45% of married couples are duals :D The other 65% were said to be identical, mirror, activity and the other relations were a lot less common.

I'm actually surprised to hear that 45% of married couples are duals. I thought it would be less common.

My parents are duals, ESE and LII. I think growing up with parents of dual relations creates a very stable environment for children of duals. There seems to be a competency among duals to be able to handle the majority of problems thrown their way. By no means is it a perfect relationship. They disagree OFTEN, but the balance is clearly there.
 

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I'm actually surprised to hear that 45% of married couples are duals. I thought it would be less common.

My parents are duals, ESE and LII. I think growing up with parents of dual relations creates a very stable environment for children of duals. There seems to be a competency among duals to be able to handle the majority of problems thrown their way. By no means is it a perfect relationship. They disagree OFTEN, but the balance is clearly there.
Its not only duality that can have a good intertype relationship. That could easily be activity, supervision or something like that. Duality isnt only about having a decent relationship. But thats nice that your parents have a duality like relationship, mine weren't even close!
 

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My ESI duals feel like they are my subconscious self manifested in reality. They teach me a lot about who I really am. So I like watching Bob Ross videos.
 
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