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Hi brainiac friends, Ive been pondering and thinking about the types of people who never accept responsibility for their actions vs the types that own up and do in fact accept responsibility- and I've come to the realization that it might be an Fi vs Fe thing. Fi types tend to have a strong internal locus of control appreciate it in others as well, and for the Fe user the locus of control resides outside themselves.


This post is for Fi users only (since Fe users will most likely object and refuse to take responsibility for not accepting responsibility :p)
 

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Well I'm an Fe user and I'm gonna not follow what you say, so let's go.
I think there could be truth to this however I have a very internal locus of control and a lot of my Fi friends have it external. I think it is more to do with confidence.
 

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Well I'm an Fe user and I'm gonna not follow what you say, so let's go.
I think there could be truth to this however I have a very internal locus of control and a lot of my Fi friends have it external. I think it is more to do with confidence.
Well according to your last post you're not completely sure about your type in the first place. If you are an ENTJ as you said you might be in that last post of yours then sure, ENTJ's are gammas and therefore an Fi user :) Most ppl on pc are mistyped anyways and just love to argue. Anyways thanks.
 

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Well according to your last post you're not completely sure about your type in the first place. If you are an ENTJ as you said you might be in that last post of yours then sure, ENTJ's are gammas and therefore an Fi user :) Most ppl on pc are mistyped anyways and just love to argue. Anyways thanks.
Nah I've settled on ENFJ now. Could make a post on it but I'd assume people are fed up of hearing me talk about the topic of my own type.
 

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I don't think it's Fi and Fe issue. If any function is an internal locus of control function I think it's Ni, and I think higher Te with Ni makes for a very internal locus of control person.

I'm Fi and I feel helpless when I'm faced with taxes or most difficult adult things, I do blame myself but I don't always believe I can accomplish things through my own effort so I got no self-f-a-Casey. I think this has to do with my low Te, and there I go finding something to blame too. Lol ok I'm not trying to intentionally disprove this, but yea me being Fi doesn't give me a internal locus of control I don't think. I don't know if locus of control is really that clearly tied to a specific function. I've heard of NTJs and type 8s talk about this the most tbh.

So I disagree.

Also this thread seems like a shot at Fe folks if anything.
 

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I don't think it's Fi and Fe issue. If any function is an internal locus of control function I think it's Ni, and I think higher Te with Ni makes for a very internal locus of control person.

I'm Fi and I feel helpless when I'm faced with taxes or most difficult adult things, I do blame myself but I don't always believe I can accomplish things through my own effort so I got no self-f-a-Casey. I think this has to do with my low Te, and there I go finding something to blame too. Lol ok I'm not trying to intentionally disprove this, but yea me being Fi doesn't give me a internal locus of control I don't think. I don't know if locus of control is really that clearly tied to a specific function. I've heard of NTJs and type 8s talk about this the most tbh.

So I disagree.

Also this thread seems like a shot at Fe folks if anything.
When you do something wrong are you able to admit you did something wrong? or do you always find someone or something to blame.Im still set on the fact that its an Fi vs Fe thing. I don't think its an Ni issue since ALL beta INFp's in my life always blame other ppl or outside factors for shit they obviously had control over, for example- my ex IEI best friend dated a guy I introduced her to for a few months and when she started having problems with him she said the fact that she was having problems in her life was my fault because I introduced her to him lol and she was dead serious. People with an external locus of control are pretty irrational.
 

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When you do something wrong are you able to admit you did something wrong? or do you always find someone or something to blame.Im still set on the fact that its an Fi vs Fe thing. I don't think its an Ni issue since ALL beta INFp's in my life always blame other ppl or outside factors for shit they obviously had control over, for example- my ex IEI best friend dated a guy I introduced her to for a few months and when she started having problems with him she said the fact that she was having problems in her life was my fault because I introduced her to him lol and she was dead serious. People with an external locus of control are pretty irrational.
By this logic Fi doms should have the most internal locus of control, if it's just an Fi vs Fe thing. 2 things on the external locus list I have,#4 and 5. 1 thing on the internal list I don't, # 4, and the rest I'm just like who knows. Yes I can admit I did something wrong, idk if that's type related.

I say Ni because they have a long term goal in their mind that they work towards and everything they do is aimed at getting there so they have to get the environment in order to achieve that vision, and Te comes up with the most efficient ways to get there, so they control things in their environment to fit into this grand vision they have that is not influenced by the outside world but is self generated, because it's an introverted function. If they reach their vision or not is their own fault because failure represents something they missed in their big plan, something they did not account for, and they probably blame themselves for not seeing that coming. And as far as opinions, their vision is not defined or destroyed by other's since it's self generated. This personal grand vision is their's to succeed or fail at, and you have to have self-efficacy to even believe you can accomplish that.


When I think of any control the functions I think of are Te and Se. Efficiency and force of will. The best way to do things and the will to take action. And as far as type 8, 8 is all about control anyway so that's internal locus of control by default "I won't let people take advantage of me, I'll never be a victim, I'll never allow someone to have control over me." All of that they believe is in their own control and if any of that ever happened to them they would blame themselves, saying they did not have enough control over the environment to stop those things from happening. And this can go the opposite way, blaming yourself for things you don't have control over.

As far as Fe blaming other people, I can see that, they are affected by other people much easier, but I don't think Fi by default has an internal locus of control. As far as Fe lacking emotional maturity I think that's a low blow and inaccurate, it takes emotional maturity to keep peace between people and to speak compassionately to people in the way Fe is very skilled at doing.
 

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Fi types tend to have an strong internal locus of control



People with internal locus of control:


- Intellectually & emotionally mature





This post is for Fi users only (since Fe users will most likely object and refuse to take responsibility for not accepting responsibility :p)
This thread is about Fi vs Fe. You exclude Fe people and accuse them of not being intellectually or emotionally mature.
How is this not an Fi bias shot at Fe people.
 

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By this logic Fi doms should have the most internal locus of control, if it's just an Fi vs Fe thing. 2 things on the external locus list I have,#4 and 5. 1 thing on the internal list I don't, # 4, and the rest I'm just like who knows. Yes I can admit I did something wrong, idk if that's type related.

I say Ni because they have a long term goal in their mind that they work towards and everything they do is aimed at getting there so they have to get the environment in order to achieve that vision, and Te comes up with the most efficient ways to get there, so they control things in their environment to fit into this grand vision they have that is not influenced by the outside world but is self generated, because it's an introverted function. If they reach their vision or not is their own fault because failure represents something they missed in their big plan, something they did not account for, and they probably blame themselves for not seeing that coming. And as far as opinions, their vision is not defined or destroyed by other's since it's self generated. This personal grand vision is their's to succeed or fail at, and you have to have self-efficacy to even believe you can accomplish that.


When I think of any control the functions I think of are Te and Se. Efficiency and force of will. The best way to do things and the will to take action. And as far as type 8, 8 is all about control anyway so that's internal locus of control by default "I won't let people take advantage of me, I'll never be a victim, I'll never allow someone to have control over me." All of that they believe is in their own control and if any of that ever happened to them they would blame themselves, saying they did not have enough control over the environment to stop those things from happening. And this can go the opposite way, blaming yourself for things you don't have control over.

As far as Fe blaming other people, I can see that, they are affected by other people much easier, but I don't think Fi by default has an internal locus of control. As far as Fe lacking emotional maturity I think that's a low blow and inaccurate, it takes emotional maturity to keep peace between people and to speak compassionately to people in the way Fe is very skilled at doing.
K its a low blow then. I don't really care. But this Se force of will Te efficiency Ni long term planning you speak of made me realize you don't really know what it means to have internal or external locus of control.

Ty though.
 

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Eh. This is inaccurate. It's not a Fi vs Fe issue, but an emotional maturity issue. People who are less emotionally mature, of any type or function, are much more likely to have an external locus of control. There really isn't a type or functional correlation to be had here. Personal biases like this are why typism has become so rampant. Please, Fe doesn't need to become even more misunderstood by the general typology community.

My locus of control may have leaned towards the external side when I was younger and less mature, but is rigidly internal now. My younger sister is still very immature despite her age and has a more external locus of control (she is INxP, and probably an enneagram 9, not that I find either of those to be of much relevance given my previous paragraph, but I thought I'd sate others' curiosity anyway).
 

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K its a low blow then. I don't really care. But this Se force of will Te efficiency Ni long term planning you speak of made me realize you don't really know what it means to have internal or external locus of control.

Ty though.
Care to explain then?

If I was to draw parallels between the functions and your list this is how it would look.

People with internal locus of control:

- Are more likely to take responsibility for their actions Te
- Tend to be less influenced by the opinions of other people Ti
- Often do better at tasks when they are allowed to work at their own pace
- Usually, have a strong sense of self-efficacy Te Ni Se
- Intellectually & emotionally mature


People with external locus of control:

- Blame outside forces for their circumstances
- Easily influenced Fe
- Often credit luck or chance for any successes
- Don't always believe that they can change their situation through their own efforts low Se or Te
- Frequently feel hopeless or powerless in the face of difficult situations low Se or Te
- Refuses to take responsibility when blamed
 

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I probably shouldn't get myself involved any more in this as I doubt it'll go anywhere productive, but I feel compelled to say it anyway.

This post is for Fi users only
Unfortunately, you don't have the authority to enforce this. This is a discussion forum, and discussion can only benefit from providing multiple perspectives. By stating in your OP that this thread is for Fi types only, you are actively discouraging discussion... on a discussion forum. That may or may not be against the forum's rules, I don't know, I'm not a moderator. But it sure as hell isn't what this forum is all about.

I implore you to consider how you may benefit from learning what other people have to say, even if you still end up disagreeing with them in the end.
 

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I probably shouldn't get myself involved any more in this as I doubt it'll go anywhere productive, but I feel compelled to say it anyway.



Unfortunately, you don't have the authority to enforce this. This is a discussion forum, and discussion can only benefit from providing multiple perspectives. By stating in your OP that this thread is for Fi types only, you are actively discouraging discussion... on a discussion forum. That may or may not be against the forum's rules, I don't know, I'm not a moderator. But it sure as hell isn't what this forum is all about.

I implore you to consider how you may benefit from learning what other people have to say, even if you still end up disagreeing with them in the end.
Loll k sorry if I broke the rules.

Man where are the folks who "get it" to chime in? I'll be patient :)
 
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