Mac or windows war !

If it can run Saints Row 2 (best character customisation in a non-Sims game, if not, ever) and if it has a file manager by default that allows you to transfer files without needing apps to essentially acknowledge their existence, then they're good operating systems. PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 for playing the game, Windows and Linux for playing the game (with crashes though) as well as for the productivity stuff, and anything but iOS for the productivity stuff alone (e.g. macOS, Android, ChromeOS).

The first real computer I used was one of these bad boys



Used a Dell for a few years and went back to Apple. I still like their products, but their 9-12 month product release cycle is utter crap. They're making money hand over fist on their name alone instead of consistently good product.

Sure in this false dichotomy of yours it becomes like this



While actually it is like this

MacBook Pro with touch bar
windows suck moose cock

I like both for different things...

Mac Book Pro for photo shop and the IPhoto for portrait editing and graphic stuff. (Although I have a back up PC with photoshop on it)

After years with droids I decided to try out iPhone, I cannot stand it and when my phone is up for new and more irrelevant I totally intend to go back to droid.

I like my PC tablet tho as far as just word goes, because it's more transferable to email, print etc with most other programs. You have to pay extra for word on mac book or out source thru other apps that's bullshit.

Anyways totally split down the middle as I guess I just like them for different things. Mac better for professional things PC better for most random daily things.

Any UNIX. Preferrably Linux (Gentoo, Debian) or FreeBSD.
For everyday use, MacOS X can sometimes be more handy.

For phones I haven't made up my mind yet. I've never used iOS, but I believe it would be too limiting for my taste. Even tough Android is too chaotic for my taste, it's probably still better. Generally, both suck.

When I happen to use somebody's computer with Windows, there is nothing I could do other than start a browser. So limited...

Vinniebob said:

MacBook Pro with touch bar

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I won't ever buy a mac book again because of that.
Who came up with the idea of removing the escape key? Such keyboard is unusable for me.

I have used Mac in the old days for my music class. Nothing wrong with it at all. The only the problem would be game compatibility. Now you may be inclined to say that you could just dual boot with Windows, but I am talking about the software not the hardware. I did a hackintosh thing one time with a newer version called Yosemite. The entire operating system has been heavily modified to resemble iOS and I'm not just talking about the flat design. It has messaging apps, email, Safari that all look identical to their iPad kinsmen. I mainly use my computer to play some games so I wouldn't really buy a Mac.

Android is very customizable and has a lot of options. Too bad many of those options are total garbage. I find the usability to be rather poor, for example the volume slider. I don't want a volume slider that I can manipulate with my finger; I want something that doesn't get in the way. By the way, android gives you three different volume sliders at the same time because one isn't enough. You think your ringer is off? Nope, that's just the volume for media playback. Plus, you have to slider it all the way to the left to silence your phone or hold your button down because switches are too old school. Somewhat unfamiliar to me is the design of many apps. On iOS many of the menu options are on the bottom of the screen where I can actually old the phone and type. I have this android phone that has a 5.2" screen and the menus are on the top of the screen. Why? That particular phone was poorly designed because they managed to shove like a 2.6GHz CPU in there which is recipe for an overheating phone that burn your hands off. I rooted it to unlock all of the customization, but also importantly to underclock the horrible hand warmer. The thing I really did like about android was that I was able to use a recovery screen to use saved backups of OSes on it. That's slightly more convenient than iTunes backups, but I have never had a gripe with iTunes backups. I would say though that both of them destroy Windows in that respect. I prefer my 4" iPhone and even my 3.5" iPhone, it works out of the box like Windows XP did. Except for the updates to iOS that actually make it worse than better. So I'm on iOS 9 and won't upgrade. It would have been better if it was iOS 7 or 8 and jailbroken though.

In terms of Windows, user interface my favorite was Windows XP easily. But it's not that stable when multitasking and definitely not secure in the current era. My favorite Windows to use in terms of functionality and buttons and menus was Vista/7. I might say that I like Windows 8 more but it has incompatibilities with my themeing engine I use to make it look like XP. Lol. Windows 10 should be killed with fire. It automatically updates which ensures that I won't get to keep my computer the way I want it or my own. Personally I don't care about updating and security as much as I should but I much prefer single updates for when I need them over general updates that may break things.

Linux is an interesting one. I used a version of Linux that is virtually identical to Windows just to get an easy environment going. The user experience is identical. I don't really speak to the Linux community but I feel that they may be the problem with it. To get a sense of prestige out of having to compile your own operating system and using the command line to download packages is idiotic. Along with having to find the perquisite packages needed to install a new one, etc. that's not a good thing. If I'm installing something on Windows, the installation wizard will typically automatically direct me to something like a C++ package or something. Having to go back and find that over the command line and doing that willfully is not a badge of honor. It's just inefficient and a waste of time. They have a fetish for doing what they want and they way they want it. But at the end of the day it doesn't do anything more than potentially could if you customize it or not. You can't play a native Windows game on it now just because you decided to reject these bits of code on your software installation. Whatever other circumstancial limitations it may have as well. Also one of the package manager I had on Linux linked directly to free retail games. Open source isn't supposed to mean get closed source stuff for free as well. Other than that, no problems.

In terms of iOS, it's possible to get malware but the risk is low with a controlled App Store. Android lets you into up to these shady app stores that pretty much come tied to some form of adware. Sometimes you are just browsing the web and maybe you get some adware. Funnily enough the iOS shady app stores are more likely to work correctly. If you want an Adblock or free in-app purchases that will actually work while android's lucky patcher is quite unlucky.

martinkunev said:

Any UNIX. Preferrably Linux (Gentoo, Debian) or FreeBSD.
For everyday use, MacOS X can sometimes be more handy.

For phones I haven't made up my mind yet. I've never used iOS, but I believe it would be too limiting for my taste. Even tough Android is too chaotic for my taste, it's probably still better. Generally, both suck.

When I happen to use somebody's computer with Windows, there is nothing I could do other than start a browser. So limited...



I won't ever buy a mac book again because of that.
Who came up with the idea of removing the escape key? Such keyboard is unusable for me.

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there is an escape function
it's a part of the touch bar

I voted other, because my dream machine runs on OpenSUSE! I don't like Windows because too many updates and freezeups. I don't like Apple because, being used to Windows, I tried doing stuff on the Apple OS and it just seemed backwards to me. You can't modify your own computer, or upgrade it. You're dependent on the Apple store if anything malfunctions, and from what I understand, it's not cheap. I'm not fond of the Apple corporation, in general. I actually see Microsoft as the lesser of evils, not that I'm a huge fan of microsoft either, but at least with initiatives like offering more open source options and teaming with Linux. Also MS has made VS available for Mac whereas the only way you can program in swift: ie for iphones is to either get a mac, or find a workaround with a virtual machine. I think that's pretty crappy for a company to do. My biggest beef with Apple products is that they are incredibly overpriced just to be overpriced and market to elitist snobs that want something to make them feel accomplished. Otherwise there is absolutely no reason for a computer to cost that much. Considering, like I stated before, an end user, even one experienced in repairing computers is usually unable to upgrade/repair their own computer, the cost of owning one is likely much higher than the cost of owning a PC. Plus, Apple makes about $400,000 per employee, which is far higher than most companies. So I really don't feel right buying something that might cost me a couple hundred more than any competitor just so some obscenely wealthy set of executives can underpay their staffs and buy third seasonal home.

dulcinea said:

I voted other, because my dream machine runs on OpenSUSE! I don't like Windows because too many updates and freezeups. I don't like Apple because, being used to Windows, I tried doing stuff on the Apple OS and it just seemed backwards to me. You can't modify your own computer, or upgrade it. You're dependent on the Apple store if anything malfunctions, and from what I understand, it's not cheap. I'm not fond of the Apple corporation, in general. I actually see Microsoft as the lesser of evils, not that I'm a huge fan of microsoft either, but at least with initiatives like offering more open source options and teaming with Linux. Also MS has made VS available for Mac whereas the only way you can program in swift: ie for iphones is to either get a mac, or find a workaround with a virtual machine. I think that's pretty crappy for a company to do. My biggest beef with Apple products is that they are incredibly overpriced just to be overpriced and market to elitist snobs that want something to make them feel accomplished. Otherwise there is absolutely no reason for a computer to cost that much. Considering, like I stated before, an end user, even one experienced in repairing computers is usually unable to upgrade/repair their own computer, the cost of owning one is likely much higher than the cost of owning a PC. Plus, Apple makes about $400,000 per employee, which is far higher than most companies. So I really don't feel right buying something that might cost me a couple hundred more than any competitor just so some obscenely wealthy set of executives can underpay their staffs and buy third seasonal home.

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I hate how their mobile devices lack file managers, so you need relevant apps to even be able to recover data, and the lack of customisation on Apple devices makes them not very accessible. For instance, you can only swipe in one direction to close Safari tabs compared with being able to swipe two ways on Chrome for the same function. You have to us a touch screen for an iPad, which is not ergonomic. They are not designing iOS with a mouse in mind, ever. The peripherals they make aren't very helpful for left handed users as well.

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Deal with it

Windows Vista is the perfect OS for me. I did the experiment and I was happy. It just could had been supported more. You can find all posts of it here: http://personalitycafe.com/isfp-forum-artists/57370-isfp-confessions-thread-170.html

If you are too lazy to click there, then I would copy them here:

Installed Windows Vista Ultimate and all I can say, that this thing is beautiful and completely underrated OS. It feels like better version of Windows 7.

Windows Vista experiment day 2:
I wanna burn my PC down, but it's not Vista's fault. It's Firefox. For real it's one of the worst web browsers in history. It's slow, it doesn't display lots of content correctly, it has icons in wrong places and is ugly (well that's subjective). Installed Opera and now I'm happy to some extent. I installed Vista on 5400 rpm HDD, which is slow by itself. Windows boot times aren't the shortest, but no abnormalities found here. I recall Windows 7 being slow as fuck with 7200 rpm HDD.

No BSODs or crashes noticed yet. Vista is very stable yet. It's all good and works as expected. There are only few things, that don't work quite well. First is that Windows updates are stuck at checking for updates and nothing happens. This happened to me on Windows 7 before too. So I'm not going to bash Vista here too much. I downloaded manual update installer and since support is ended, I won't ever need to care about them. Second thing was that Opera installation didn't start. It only started when I enabled Administrator mode in privileges, because normal Administrator mode didn't work. Also I noticed some hangs in OS, but I think, it's because of my slow HDD. Anyway there's nothing too bad with Vista.

User experience with Vista is good. It's quite beautiful OS and is more user friendly than 7. That makes it one of the most user friendly OS on Earth, that's good. My Ultimate version feels superior to Windows 7 Ultimate. It offers me more functionality or at least shows more of it. + for user friendliness. Hibernation mode is very fast, faster than any other Windows version and even beats modern Windows versions with SSD. Security on Vista is very user informing in good way. It lets you know if computer is secure and no notifications, everything is in control panel. I tried out customization too. It offers many options, but some things are lacking. There's no freedom, when it comes to window border color choice. There are only some presets and slider for opacity. 7 offers more choice, but Vista has much more options, when it comes to start menu. There are more styles. Wallpaper variety is very nice too. Windows help is useful too. OS offers great help and welcomes user when he opens new software to introduce it and guide user. That's something, that has been lacking in modern Windows versions. Vista is fast and snappy yet, good, because it has opposite reputation.

Now let's talk about flaws. No Windows snapping isn't good. It's useful feature. Downloads folder isn't a library, so it requires some searching. Display settings are buried somewhere in control panel instead of right clicking on desktop. Some fonts of websites are missing, so for perC and Youtube it's different. As OS is unsupported, software support for it is ending too. It means, that I already couldn't install my beloved Google Chrome and it will only get worse with the time

Overall Vista is good OS, that definitely didn't deserve all that bad reputation it has. It was innovative at the time and was way much better looking. It's stable, user friendly, beautiful and fast on right hardware. Under the hood you can find same kernel used in Windows 7, 8, 8.1. All mentioned Windows versions are good. Too bad Vista is dying fast and still has bad reputation created by stupid users and stereotypes. Soon we will have to say 'hasta la vista' to it. Sad, it was good OS. Better than XP.

Today I had to download and install MS Office. Vista is old, so latest office isn't supported on it. The latest supported is 2010. Quite old one, but it will be fine. As I'm good pirate I went to The pirate bay and downloaded Office with activator. All software in Vista worked perfectly. One thing, that is quite unusual to me is that Vista likes to slow after clicking on program icon to install it. After installation real productivity started. I had to edit presentation for school. Fix fonts and stuff like that. All I tried to do was actually faster than in Office 2013 with newer Windows version and one thing I must mention. MS Office 2010 is so damn beautiful and it's not annoying, unlike 2013 one. It feels like every function in Office 2010 was made for humans and 2013 feels like it was made for robots. Icons in Office 2010 are perfect and go along with style of Windows Vista perfectly. All I can say, that MS Office 2010 is complete pleasure to use and I didn't feel any lack of functionality. That's good. Plus after Office installation fonts in perC are fixed, so I guess I lacked some.

As to stability I have no complaints at all. I even tried sleep today and it's super fast, doesn't require password and it was very reliable. In Windows 10 and 8.1 sleep mode sometimes didn't work correctly, resulting in random wake ups. Ouch.

I installed Avast due to obvious reasons. It's still supported and works good on Vista, maybe even faster than in newer Windows versions.

Overall Vista today was pleasure to use, I kinda understand the hate of mobile integration into desktop OS, it's just not a good place for that. Besides being outdated, unsupported it's really good. So far it's actually better than it's successors, which is just comically horrible and it even has bad reputation. That's unfair.

I kinda wish, that MS didn't remove Aero glass environment, it's pure porn for eyes. Plus it makes my computer feel more high end than some colorful rectangles.

Actually Terminator got it right:


... or at least I currently think so to some extent...

Windows Vista experiment day 4:
I haven't been at home this weekend, so I couldn't use my PC, because it's desktop.

This description will be short.

I'm finally feeling somewhat at home with Vista, in only 4 days. That's not long, but neither very short. Honestly it's longer than any other Windows version. In the end it's irrational thought, because my usage wasn't affected at all. Anyway Vista perfectly stable OS. I remember my experience with 10 and 7, those two are more sluggish than Vista is. Those two ran on SSD and Vista runs on 5400 rpm laptop hard drive, which is slow as fuck. I finally found one problem with Vista, some Youtube videos aren't playable, due to end of support for some component, that let's you play videos (maybe decoder). It's not browser problem here, because it happens on Firefox too. So Vista uses older version of that component, but it can't play some modern videos. That was only one video, but I think, there will be more of incompatibility later. I get it's really old OS, so this is expected, just sad to witness death of Vista, which is really good OS. Anyway Vista truly shouldn't deserve much hate. It's not bad at all. Basically hate for it killed it sooner than it should have died naturally. I personally think, that Vista is best OS from MS yet, because it still takes on newer OSes and beat those.

Vista experiment days 5/6/7:
Nothing too much to say, so I skipped some writing. Finally I saw one downside of Vista. Sometimes graphics performance is sluggish. Maybe could be drivers, but who knows which is there? I installed game "Starsky and Hutch". It's old, but worked fine. Overall Vista is stable and reliable so far. Besides support and questionable performance issue it's good OS. Definitely didn't deserve all the hate it has. Too bad people aren't always smart. My experiment has ended. It's been week long experiment and I turned on Windows 10 again on SSD. It was disaster. I found 10 ugly, not really functional, lacking customization options and most importantly hated two control panels. It's not broken installation of 10, it's how it naturally is. It's not that good. I wanted to get back to Vista fast. Vista is much better looking, more functional, more customizable and feels like it was made to be monolith. Everything in Vista is 'Vistaish'. Every icon, style, start menu is made as one OS in mind. Windows 10 borrowed something from Vista, 8.1, 7 and introduced something new, mainly icons. It has weak sense of unity. Plus Vista Ultimate has premium feeling, in Windows 10 you get feeling, that you came back to geometry lesson. It's not beautiful. I have all my files and stuff when I connect Windows 10 hard drives and SSD. I don't have any of that with Vista. Actually I came back to Vista. It's overall better OS and I fully understand people who stayed with 7. I know, that I won't last long with Vista, but I don't really desire to come back to 10. Feels like downgrade and no more beautiful aero. I love that glass environment, feels more high end than just colorful boxes. Vista has the last control panel, where you can actually find something.

Experiment conclusion:
Vista isn't bad at all. It's pleasure to use, if it works. It mostly works perfectly. Didn't deserve all that hate. It was worth it to try it out.

That's how my desktop looks (everything is done by Vista customization tools and it's Vista's built in wallpaper):


2017, still no hasta la vista to it. Terminator is patient.

End of experiment:
I finally came back to Windows 10 from Vista. I'm not impressed.

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Okay I can't be serious about using it today, it's somewhat obsolete already. The thing is that it's one of my favourite OSes of all time. it was really good experience with it. I liked it a lot. Too bad it's discontinued. Now I'm just sitting with Windows 10, such a boring choice, but to me it's one OS that could be very good for daily usage, offers perfect value (I got it for free) and it simply just does everything fine without wanting to install my head into wall (linux experience was exactly like that, pun was intended). Overall Vista is something really good, but rather was than is. Little known thing is that after expirement I loaded Vista again and it was slower. I just forgot that OSes slow down after some time on HDDs, yet I'm gonna say, that it was spectacular experience (performance too).

To somehow help this thread, I gotta say that I prefer Windows over mac OS. Windows just makes sense for me, Mac OS is more like some sort of magic, that is unfortunately not very pleasurable. Mac OS just feels strange and out of hands. Linux is by itself most user unfriendly OS I have ever used. Pure torture for simple user. I would likely use DOS over linux.

Plz don't make wrong assumption, that I just want to defend Vista. I genuinely liked it at my experiment.

Vinniebob said:

there is an escape function
it's a part of the touch bar

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I like physical keys because I can feel them with touch without looking.
I don't want to need to look at the keyboard to press escape. I use it as a fast way to cancel something and also for text editing in vim. If I have to look it's no longer fast. Also, what appears in the touch bar is context sensitive and my experience tells me it won't always be what I expect (sometimes there will be no escape key when I want it).

martinkunev said:

I like physical keys because I can feel them with touch without looking.
I don't want to need to look at the keyboard to press escape. I use it as a fast way to cancel something and also for text editing in vim. If I have to look it's no longer fast. Also, what appears in the touch bar is context sensitive and my experience tells me it won't always be what I expect (sometimes there will be no escape key when I want it).

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theses 2 words describe touch bar perfectly
FUCKING AWESOME
yes, we INTJ's can resist change due to being settled in our ways
it is a nice option
don't be a hater
if you don't own Mac than you don't know jack
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