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MBTI does a great job in presenting character traits and descriptions, as well as describing thinking styles through cognitive functions. However, it also leaves many unanswered questions, such as the variations that exist among members with the same MBTI personality. This thread serves to fill-in those gaps, with additional personality and character trait systems.

For the Political Temperament, it's between SoCom and CapCom. SoCom people are more community oriented, where they observe values of people around them. CapCom are more self-oriented, where they seek to influence others with their own point-of-view.

The SoCom represents masculine energy, or acknowledging all in-coming information, while the CapCom represents feminine energy, or shaping the perceptions of others to conform with their ideal values.

The thread on Five Love Languages, Political Temperament, and Learning Style has helpful diagrams, illustrating the differences described:

Representation styles (four temperaments):

Visual people - "Sanguine", fast movements, appear active and enthusiastic
Auditory people - "Melancholic", medium-speed movements, appear analytical or quiet
Olfactory people - "Phlegmatic", slow movements, appear peaceful and relaxed

"Choleric" people - short-tempered, irritable (these people often have nails with short roots)

Love Languages:

Affirmation - desire to be praised; can appear very sociable
Physical intimacy - desire to touch and be touched; can appear and sound innocent and playful
Service - desire to do things for others; can appear very dependable
Quality time - desire to spend meaningful time in quality settings; can appear thoughtful and quiet
Gifting - desire to make others happy through gifts; can appear very caring

Learning style:

Visual learning - learns better through reading, charts or graphs
Auditory/discussion learning - learns better through listening to a lecture, and discussing the topic
Writing/kinesthetic/hands-on - learns better through hands-on experience, practice, and writing notes

Multiple intelligence(Link to a simple test):

Musical-rhythmic -sensitivity to sounds, rhythms, tones, and music
Visual-spatial - spatial judgment and the ability to visualize with the mind's eye
Verbal-linguistic - good at reading, writing, telling stories and memorizing words along with dates
Logical-mathematical - logic, abstractions, reasoning, numbers and critical thinking
Bodily-kinesthetic - control of bodily motions and handle objects skillfully
Interpersonal - sensitivity to others' moods, feelings, temperaments, motivations; ability to cooperate on a team
Intrapersonal - deep understanding of the self; what one's strengths or weaknesses are, what makes one unique, being able to predict one's own reactions or emotions
Naturalistic - recognize flora and fauna; classifying animal and plant species, rocks and mountain types

The three quotients can also be meaningful, though they are useful only when a person scores well below the average: (IQ, EQ, and motivational quotient [related to spiritual intelligence])
 

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You have no option for Anarchist.

Also, Multiple-Intelligence is shit.
 

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You have no option for Anarchist.

Also, Multiple-Intelligence is shit.
Anarchist is grouped with the National Capitalist, because of their preference for non-interference by any authority.
 

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Before anything else I'd like to state that the thing I like most about MBTI is that it's all about factors of personality that do not change during your lifetime, but are things that you can develop in some way. Most additions to the system I have seen tend to be superficial traits that tend to change drastically during one's life.

That said: you're proposing a lot of possible additions and I'd like to say something about all of them. Just keep in mind with everything that I say that I don't know that much about any of these, so my ideas about them will be superficial. I know a lot about MBTI because I've spent hundreds of hours with it. The things from your list are new to me.

MBTI does a great job in presenting character traits and descriptions, as well as describing thinking styles through cognitive functions. However, it also leaves many unanswered questions, such as the variations that exist among members with the same MBTI personality. This thread serves to fill-in those gaps, with additional personality and character trait systems.

A major reason for the variation is differences in political personality traits. These are outlined and detailed as follows:

Communists: Prefer socializing with a wide variety of people; Seek to understand others on a personal or intimate level; View problems as learning experiences and hurdles to overcome

Nationalists: Prefer working with people who have more authority or talent; Have a clear line between what is personal and what is business; View problems as tests of personal character or ability

See also: http://personalitycafe.com/myers-briggs-forum/1066450-new-mbti-dichotomy-military-m-corporate-c-personality.html

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National Socialists
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Desire: Power and control
Values: Family, culture or tradition, and groupthink
Engagement style: Direct and good-at-politics
Lifestyle pace: Slow and relaxed
Justice style: Mob rule
Vices: Stalking, kidnapping, bondage or rape, torture

National Capitalists:

Desire: Wealth and money
Values: High life; individuality, finding the self, a niche, or establishing a monopoly; self-expression
Engagement style: Manipulative and focused
Lifestyle pace: Fast and on-the-go
Justice style: laissez faire, non-interference by authority
Vices: Bribery, assassination or murder, fraud, cheating or stealing

Communists:

Desire: Truth and knowledge
Values: Insight and understanding
Engagement style: Unassuming and having no pretensions or ostentation
Lifestyle pace: Steady
Justice style: Law and fairness
Vices: Voicing potentially unpopular opinions, being undemanding and eager to please both sides

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Additional divisions, and further specifying the Communist division:

Capital Socialists:
Focus: Highly specialized skills, such as achieving new heights in competitive sports (becoming a famous athlete), the arts (becoming a famous singer), science and engineering (developing new technology or getting a Ph.D in the field of interest)
Weakness: Might belittle others without intending to sound mean

Social Capitalists:
Focus: High Culture (being involved in the business with Chinese calligraphy, or selling artistic teapots like those used in Japanese tea ceremony, providing high-end decoration or luxury home design)
Weakness: Might have higher expectations of people, and become impatient when those expectations do not match reality

Social Communists:
Focus: Societal potential (how to encourage greater understanding among different segments of society, foster greater cooperation and dialogue)
Weakness: Might not fully or completely express personal opinions; focus too much on others' opinions

Capital Communists:
Focus: Human potential (how to make people's lives more fulfilling, easier and happier)
Weakness: Might have high-expectations of self that causes depression or self-harm

Neutral Communists:
Focus: Children (developing and teaching children skills in the arts, like singing, playing musical instruments, or helping them with math, engineering and science; exploring ways to improve children's health)
Weakness: Might have little interest in, or lack understanding of peers and adults

Political Views by Genetics: Natl. Socialists, Natl. Capitalists, Communists

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This is not for me I'm afraid. It's about interests, which change over time. I also don't really like the idea that these words already mean something in another field (politics) and would now be used for another system to fit ideas that are in the same ballpark but different. I fear that a system like this would make it impossible to use the term communist for anything anymore, as it will mean different things to different people. (I already have this problem with simple words like 'extravert' and other terms from MBTI)

Representation styles (four temperaments):

Visual people - "Sanguine", fast movements, appear active and enthusiastic
Auditory people - "Melancholic", medium-speed movements, appear analytical or quiet
Olfactory people - "Phlegmatic", slow movements, appear peaceful and relaxed

"Choleric" people - short-tempered, irritable (these people often have nails with short roots)
While these are pretty attractive on their own, it's hard to use them. There's a reason this theory stopped being used after the 17th century. It's very symbolic and engaging, but there's not much foundation of these in real science.

Love Languages:

Affirmation - desire to be praised; can appear very sociable
Physical intimacy - desire to touch and be touched; can appear and sound innocent and fun-loving
Service - desire to do things for others; can appear very dependable
Quality time - desire to spend meaningful time in quality settings; can appear thoughtful and quiet
Gifting - desire to make others happy through gifts; can appear very caring
The name 'love languages' turns me off from this theory, but the idea behind it seems interesting. I'm not sure if any of it is useful or accurate and appartently there hasn't been any real research on the topic. I think parts of this can be very promising in understanding human emotion, although it can be hard to untangle certain parts of these from Fi and Fe in MBTI.

Learning style:

Visual learning - learns better through reading, charts or graphs
Auditory/discussion learning - learns better through listening to a lecture, and discussing the topic
Writing/kinesthetic/hands-on - learns better through trial-and-error, practice, and taking notes
I'm personally of the opinion that there is a lot of overlap with MBTI here. Si learns through memorizing information, Se learns through trial and error, Fe learns through discussion of a topic, Ne learns through thinking up new directions for ideas...

I'm not sure how much these overlap, but it would not surprise me if at least part of this is already solidly founded within MBTI.

Multiple intelligence (Link to a simple test):

Musical-rhythmic -sensitivity to sounds, rhythms, tones, and music
Visual-spatial - spatial judgment and the ability to visualize with the mind's eye
Verbal-linguistic - good at reading, writing, telling stories and memorizing words along with dates
Logical-mathematical - logic, abstractions, reasoning, numbers and critical thinking
Bodily-kinesthetic - control of bodily motions and handle objects skillfully
Interpersonal - sensitivity to others' moods, feelings, temperaments, motivations; ability to cooperate on a team
Intrapersonal - deep understanding of the self; what one's strengths or weaknesses are, what makes one unique, being able to predict one's own reactions or emotions
Naturalistic - recognize flora and fauna; classifying animal and plant species, rocks and mountain types
I've spent some time thinking about the multiple intelligences in the past and I can't ever seem to decide how much this would or wouldn't overlap with MBTI. I have not found an answer myself (mainly because science has not figured this whole thing out fully yet), but I think this is a very promising area of research that deserves more attention.

The three quotients can also be meaningful, though they are useful only when a person scores well below the average: (IQ, EQ, and motivational quotient [related to spiritual intelligence])
I'm a firm believer that intelligence is a separate factor from the things that MBTI measures, although I'm sceptical of the IQ test as a means of measuring intelligence as it favours certain types of intelligence over others. In fact, this is where the whole multiple intelligences theory came from.

I think intelligence is part of personality and very relevant for giving people a fair assessment. It's just so very hard to measure as we don't fully understand it yet. I'm definitely very interested in seeing the developments in those areas.



Overall I hope I wasn't too negative here. I think there's a lot of room to expand on MBTI as the human brain is complex and there's so much more going on than just taking in information and making decisions (the only two factors that MBTI really describes). I'm just not sure yet how it all fits together with all those other factors going on.
At the very least I try to stay very critical of everything I hear in this vein. It's very easy to get sidetracked and start to believe things that sound pretty, but the truth usually isn't all that pretty or straightforward.

In any case, I loved reading all of this and I think there's a lot of potential there. Keep up the good work.
 

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Thank you for your thoughts and feedback. While the political terms might be loaded, they do describe the character traits to a certain extent. It appears that the only problem keeping you from accepting any of these is the lack of scientific data and "real" research, though I can assure you that these traits are all observable, and can be ascertained from personal experience.
 

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Romantic compatibility in the case of political character traits follows the phrase "birds of a feather flock together". Besides people of the same political personality being attracted to each other, they are also more likely to associate with people who are like themselves. These compatibilities need not be taken so seriously, and are considered with addition to MBTI, and other factors like temperaments and learning styles:

Besides matching with themselves, National Socialists can also be matched with Capital Socialists and Neutral Communists
National Capitalists can also be matched with Social Capitalists and Neutral Communists
Capital Socialists - National Socialists, Social Communists
Social Capitalists - National Capitalists, Capital Communists
Social Communists - Capital Communists, Capital Socialists
Capital Communists - Social Communists, Social Capitalists
Neutral Communists - National Socialists, National Capitalists

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Neutral Communist division has a wide focus on children, so it's also possible that Neutral Communists can be further sub-divided into Social Neutral Communists (Social Neutralists) and Capital Neutral Communists (Capital Neutralists). Social Neutralists focus on improving children's well-being through technology and science, while Capital Neutralists focus on children's well-being through arts and music. This division is not very clear, and it could be related to other factors, like differences between INTP and ENTP Neutral Communists, as well as in them being visual or auditory learners, and having visual or auditory temperaments. For example, an INTP Neutral Communist with auditory temperament and visual learning might prefer doing computer programming and IT, while an ENTP Neutral Communist with visual temperament and auditory learning might prefer teaching children singing and playing the piano.

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Multiple intelligence might be an outgrowth of various temperaments and learning style combinations. The different temperaments determine how people feed information into their subconscious memory, while learning style explains how people gain information with working memory. For example, a person with visual temperament would be using their eyes to take-in lots of information that is input into their subconscious, so it appears natural when they produce something visually pleasing, without being able to fully explain how they did it. The visual learner would obtain information using working memory, which can then relate the information to how it can be used in different contexts or under different settings.

In terms of multiple intelligence, a person with auditory temperament and hands-on learning style might be attracted to writing stories about what they've heard (displaying higher verbal-linguistic intelligence), while a person with olfactory temperament and auditory learning style might be attracted to dancing (bodily-kinesthetic intelligence). Similarly, a person with auditory temperament and visual learning style might be attracted to math and science (logical-mathematical intelligence). Also, a person with visual temperament and hands-on learning style might be attracted to photography or filming (visual-spatial intelligence).
 

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Because the personality titles are politically loaded, the following substitutions can be considered:

National Socialists - Whigs

Capital Socialists - Republicans

Social Capitalists - Democrats

National Capitalists - Tories

Social Communists - Progressives

Capital Communists - Libertarians

Neutral Communists - Independents

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If human society is like that of an ant society, then the following personality traits would be like this:

National Socialists: Soldiers and enforcers
National Capitalists: Gatherers and harvesters
Capital Socialists: Researchers and scientists
Social Capitalists: Attendants and broadcasters
Social Communist: Customer Service representatives
Capital Communist: Entertainers
Neutral Communist: Teachers
 

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Two very similar people are singers Trent Reznor and Ellie Goulding, because they are both Capital Socialist, of visual temperament and auditory learning style (and are ENFP).

You can compare their personalities to that of a Social Capitalist, Weird Al, who is also of visual temperament and auditory learning style (also ENFP).

Additionally, two similar people are singers Marilyn Manson and Chris Cornell, who are also Capital Socialist and auditory learners, except they are of the olfactory temperament (and both ENTP).
 

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Ariana Grande and Madonna are both Neutral Communist and ENTP, though Madonna is of the auditory temperament and visual learner, while Ariana Grande is of visual temperament and auditory learner
 

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Communists:

Desire: Truth and knowledge
Values: Insight and understanding
Engagement style: Unassuming and having no pretensions or ostentation
Lifestyle pace: Steady
Justice style: Law and fairness
Vices: Voicing potentially unpopular opinions, being undemanding and eager to please both sides
I think you may want to read some more material about communism and its attrocities, you described the vices of the most murderous and flawed ideology quite softly. 170 million dead, the rape of Germany by the red army after WWII, cruel experiments in humans and other animals, massive torture, not to mention the obvious heist to every population it assumed control over.

You've mistaken national socialist values for communists, like "mob rule, bondage or rape", seriously? That's what commies are known for. Also, capitalism thrives for personal freedom, not just money. Such a thing would be called a plutocracy, which can happen both in communism and capitalism.
 

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I think you may want to read some more material about communism and its attrocities, you described the vices of the most murderous and flawed ideology quite softly. 170 million dead, the rape of Germany by the red army after WWII, cruel experiments in humans and other animals, massive torture, not to mention the obvious heist to every population it assumed control over.

You've mistaken national socialist values for communists, like "mob rule, bondage or rape", seriously? That's what commies are known for. Also, capitalism thrives for personal freedom, not just money. Such a thing would be called a plutocracy, which can happen both in communism and capitalism.
Using Communist as a personality label might offend people, so you can call them by less offensive titles:

Also, the Communist Manifesto is written by a Neutral Communist, Karl Marx, so it's not a work of Social or Capital Communist.

National Socialists - Whigs
Capital Socialists - Republicans
Social Capitalists - Democrats
National Capitalists - Tories
Social Communists - Progressives
Capital Communists - Libertarians
Neutral Communists - Independents
 

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This video of the 1997 interview with Silverchair is a good sample showing the difference between Capital Communist and Social Communist, and between auditory learners and hands-on learners. The musicians are all ENTP.

Daniel Johns, ENTP, Social Communist, visual temperament, auditory learning style

Ben Gillies, ENTP, Social Communist, visual temperament, hands-on learning style

Chris Joannou, ENTP, Capital Communist, visual temperament, auditory learning style

 

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I have to agree with The Conundrum. Take a look at the description of the vices:

Vices: Stalking, kidnapping, bondage or rape, torture
Vices: Bribery, assassination or murder, fraud, cheating or stealing
Vices: Voicing potentially unpopular opinions, being undemanding and eager to please both sides

If someone was to use this as a tool, then they would pick communism regardless of their political beliefs because of how biased the description is towards communism and away from national capitalism. I mean the vices of the other two have almost universally immoral and horrific things, but communism has two things that would be used by someone as a way to compliment themselves when they are asked to describe their greatest weakness at a job interview. In comparison, they are pretty much just compliments masked as flaws. National capitalism is the only belief system to have a negative adjective to describe its engagement style.

Political views tend to change drastically over the span of someone's life, and MBTI, in contrast, is meant to be a stable thing. It doesn't describe the details and values, but rather, the disposition. Having additional identifiers for people to use is fine, but I wouldn't put them with MBTI, which has an abundence of science and depth backing it.
 

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I have to agree with The Conundrum. Take a look at the description of the vices:

Vices: Stalking, kidnapping, bondage or rape, torture
Vices: Bribery, assassination or murder, fraud, cheating or stealing
Vices: Voicing potentially unpopular opinions, being undemanding and eager to please both sides

If someone was to use this as a tool, then they would pick communism regardless of their political beliefs because of how biased the description is towards communism and away from national capitalism. I mean the vices of the other two have almost universally immoral and horrific things, but communism has two things that would be used by someone as a way to compliment themselves when they are asked to describe their greatest weakness at a job interview. In comparison, they are pretty much just compliments masked as flaws. National capitalism is the only belief system to have a negative adjective to describe its engagement style.

Political views tend to change drastically over the span of someone's life, and MBTI, in contrast, is meant to be a stable thing. It doesn't describe the details and values, but rather, the disposition. Having additional identifiers for people to use is fine, but I wouldn't put them with MBTI, which has an abundence of science and depth backing it.
The vices are the natural outcome when people's inner desire is either money or power. They might be harsh, though they do explain abhorrent behavior found in people across the political personalities.

Political views change only when you grow from a child to a teenager, to an adult. Otherwise, they stay stable. This is similar to MBTI, where the MBTI of young children might not be as apparent compared to that of a teenager or adult. On the other hand, temperaments and learning styles do show up at a fairly young age, which can be used to help the child with learning skills or developing hobbies.
 

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The three quotients can also be meaningful, though they are useful only when a person scores well below the average: (IQ, EQ, and motivational quotient [related to spiritual intelligence])
IQ can be useful even when someone does not score well below average, especially when there is a significant spread in subtest scores or between IQ tests and other cognitive measures.
 

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It appears that the Neutral Communist can be further divided into Social Neutral Communist, and Capital Neutral Communist:

Social Neutral Communist
Focus: Finding and simplifying truth to a level that even children can understand
Weakness: Might absentmindedly pursue a goal that friendships and relationships are neglected

Capital Neutral Communist
Focus: Capitalizing on an idea and realizing it to its full potential
Weakness: Might be dismissive of people's feelings, or become harshly critical

An example of a Social Neutral Communist is Albert Einstein, while Bill Gates is an example of a Capital Neutral Communist

This brings the total number of political personality traits to eight:
National Socialist - Whig
National Capitalist - Tory
Capital Socialist - Republican
Social Capitalist - Democrat
Social Communist - Progressive
Capital Communist - Libertarian
Social Neutral Communist - Labor
Capital Neutral Communist - Conservative
 

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Tl;dr.

For myself I would say...
Melancholic and Choleric. But I walk quite fast paced.

Affirmation - desire to be praised. Yes
Physical intimacy - desire to touch and be touched. Yes.
Maybe to the innocent/playful part though.
Service - desire to do things for others; can appear very dependable. Maybe.
Quality time - desire to spend meaningful time in quality settings; can appear thoughtful and quiet. Yes
Gifting - desire to make others happy through gifts. Yes.

Learning style... Experience, hands on.

Multiple Intelligence. Meh I think everybody probably has a mixture of these. I can't really choose one.

As for the political stuff, can't be bothered, basically I just wish the higher ups would tell everyone the truth then everyone could figure out how to make peace. I just want peace, with everyone. Why does one man have to have more but the other nothing because of what he was born into? Who in their right minds thinks its okay who gets to live and who doesn't? (Elites wanting to wipe out half the population. Wtf. Why is their family more important than someone else's? Their justification for wanting out to wipe people out is stupid. It would be fine if they DIDN'T brainwash everyone IN THE FIRST PLACE.)
I just want peace, and want everyone to live happily and healthily that's it. But in this world that's too much to ask for.
 
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