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I stumbled upon this interesting, albeit depressing for some, infographic showing the type breakdown for Average Household Income, Average Education Level Achieved, Males and Females, and the US Population. It looks like ENTJs have an advantage of at least $8k per year on every other type!

What do you think? Do you agree with the data?


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The income graph is a little deceptive in the way it was constructed, it seems as though they are trying to make mountains out fo mole hills here because there aren't in fact enough significant differences to justify the study.

Also, how can there be average household income by type? In most households there are a variety of types. For example, my parents are INTJ, and INFJ while I am ESFP...under which catagory would we fall?
 

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Honestly, I doubt that no one hasn't gone further than their bachelor's, I mean, what about all the physicians? Psychologists? Anthropologists?
Secondly, how is this in any way depressing? If we're going to assume monetary value to type, most INFx's would be therapists, and as far as income goes, it can get pretty high...not as high as a physician of course (I don't take MBTI seriously since it's Jungian).
Still though, it's interesting to consider.
 

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Ya, the income graph rather suffers from misscalement. :)

I am a bit sceptical about personality and societal life in respect to the nature and nurture debate. I am convinced that if our presented society wasnt driven by performance, the graphes would change a lot. And by that I mean that you will mostly find extj'ish personalities in top positions and it may be there business image or they have become that way while being a long time influenced by the surrounding business.

I'd always consider mbti as a tool to only find about yourself and get to know others more. But in business or societal situations it is most often self-confidence that is enough to get you almost anywhere.
 

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I'm curious as to how they determined type. I suppose I'm always a little skeptical of things like this because there are so many people that are mistypes and a lot of the tests don't seem to be perfect (and when 60 percent of men are thinkers and 65 percent of women are feelers, well that may not be that far from 50%, but I do question whether that is the actual break down or if cultural/gender stereotypes may have influenced some of the typings). So, I mean, based on type stereotypes (if some of the stereotypes are the norm ... of course people will have certain personal traits that go against the norm), it seems plausible to me, but I do wonder how accurate the typing was (and I would wonder that, no matter what the results were).


The income graph is a little deceptive in the way it was constructed, it seems as though they are trying to make mountains out fo mole hills here because there aren't in fact enough significant differences to justify the study.

Also, how can there be average household income by type? In most households there are a variety of types. For example, my parents are INTJ, and INFJ while I am ESFP...under which catagory would we fall?

Let's say I married and ISFJ. Maybe our income would be listed as both INFP and ISFJ? They did not say, but that is what I am guys when they are looking at these statistics (although that does not take into account if both parties are employed and how many hours per week they are working, and ...)
 

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I'm curious as to how they determined type. I suppose I'm always a little skeptical of things like this because there are so many people that are mistypes and a lot of the tests don't seem to be perfect (and when 60 percent of men are thinkers and 65 percent of women are feelers, well that may not be that far from 50%, but I do question whether that is the actual break down or if cultural/gender stereotypes may have influenced some of the typings). So, I mean, based on type stereotypes (if some of the stereotypes are the norm ... of course people will have certain personal traits that go against the norm), it seems plausible to me, but I do wonder how accurate the typing was (and I would wonder that, no matter what the results were).





Let's say I married and ISFJ. Maybe our income would be listed as both INFP and ISFJ? They did not say, but that is what I am guys when they are looking at these statistics (although that does not take into account if both parties are employed and how many hours per week they are working, and ...)
Wouldn't it just be better to do individual income though? Not only might there be more significant differences, it would also be more accurate as it is rarely the case that two people in a house hold make the exact same amount of money.
 

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Wouldn't it just be better to do individual income though? Not only might there be more significant differences, it would also be more accurate as it is rarely the case that two people in a house hold make the exact same amount of money.
Again, I was just guessing. But if that were the case (I mean if they are pooling the households together and looking at the people in the household), then that could give other information, such as which types are okay with marrying someone who does not make as much money or whatnot. House holds are a team and, I suppose people do eventually choose who they want to be with and divide that labor of the households (some households may have one person working and one not, but the money is equally theirs and both are considered to have earned that money because they chose their own division of labor that they thought was fair). Or maybe they went by taxes (maybe they thought that was easier) and that income was not just about salary, but other things, such as investments as well (which couples makes investments together). I would say that both individual income and household income can be of interest for different reasons (but household income may be better indicator of the division of wealth between each MBTI type ... idk)
 

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Honestly, I doubt that no one hasn't gone further than their bachelor's, I mean, what about all the physicians? Psychologists? Anthropologists?
Well, they do say "average", so while there may be plenty who have gone very far in their education, there are also others who would have dropped out or whatever.

Secondly, how is this in any way depressing? If we're going to assume monetary value to type, most INFx's would be therapists, and as far as income goes, it can get pretty high...not as high as a physician of course (I don't take MBTI seriously since it's Jungian).
Still though, it's interesting to consider.
Haha, I just said depressing because most of the people whom I showed this to IRL said, "Dang! I want to be an ENTJ!" or were upset that their type wasn't one of the highest paid or most educated or rarest. :wink:

Ya, the income graph rather suffers from misscalement. :)
Yes, I hate this part about the graph, it's so misleading. In reality, it's not too different, and would probably look more like the Education graph.
 

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Well, they do say "average", so while there may be plenty who have gone very far in their education, there are also others who would have dropped out or whatever.



Haha, I just said depressing because most of the people whom I showed this to IRL said, "Dang! I want to be an ENTJ!" or were upset that their type wasn't one of the highest paid or most educated or rarest. :wink:



Yes, I hate this part about the graph, it's so misleading. In reality, it's not too different, and would probably look more like the Education graph.
I understand that mentality a lot haha! I sometimes wish I was an Se dom so I could be more involved in physical fitness but meh!
 

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ENTJ, ESTJ and ESFJs etc are drawn towards management. Who at this time of age- and historically - are grossly overpaid compared to average Joe...

That skews things thus.
 

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This is why I scored an ENTJ for a husband.

But then he decided he didn't want to worry about making a lot of money so we're kind of just getting by :p C'est la vie.
 

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Well, the first issue I see here mirrors one I've seen a lot in real life with people who are familiar with MBTI, which is that people (usually guys) who see themselves as assertive, successful in corporate life (the type of audience this diagram is made for), and on the go identify with being ENTJ. They either think ENTJ describes them because they are successful, or that they are successful because they are ENTJ when their real type is something extremely different (in my experience, often ESTP or ESFP). As we all know here, neither of these are really accurate at all, nor are the type descriptions that the mistyped ENTJ's would reject if you showed them their real types.

Interestingly, some of the ENTJ I know have mistyped as either INTJ (understandably), or ENTP (because they do not see themselves as directive or organized like ENTJ are stereotyped). Real ENTJ are often worlds different in person than their type is stereotyped.

People who have a self image of being intelligent, independent, score highly on IQ tests, and/or have advanced degrees also tend to think they are INTJ when again, what it means to be a cognitive INTJ has little to do with any of those traits.

Overall while I have not looked at the website this came from I would strongly suggest that most of the people who took these tests did not use the cognitive functions to type themselves, which is the only way that makes sense to type. There is no need to get depressed looking at these statistics, they are essentially bogus.
 

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Just the way that the strengths and weaknesses are listed makes it hard for me to take this seriously. I could be wrong, but at a glance this looks like it relies excessively on extrapolations of behaviour and a fairly shallow application of MBTI. The SJ and SP descriptions at the top also sounded questionably simplistic and belittling in contrast to the Ns, as if those types aren't even quite understood.
 

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Averages can be misleading, particularly on things like this income graph. If you average 5 people and 1 of them has an income of $1 million and the rest have incomes at $20k then your average is $216k even though 4 out of 5 of them make $20k. Probably is some validity to the results as I can see how personality can tie into careers, but without digging into the numbers behind their graphs you'll never really know.

There are many other factors that affect household income that would need to be factored out of this to make it useful like age, education levels, others in the house, location, etc. A 19 year old single mom living in a rural area's household income can't really be compared to a married 50 year old couple living in New York City for example.
 

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So ENFJ and INFJ are the rarest types among males while ENTJ and INFJ are the rarest among women. Well, at least within the population group sampled, which I suspect is an internet forum survey which may not be the best representative group. Interesting nonetheless though.
 
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