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1986, MAYBE, but even that's stretching it. 1987, absolutely not.
1984 and 1985 alone are actually stretching it. I see the real cusp as 1980-1983 as they were all teenagers in the 2000s and ideally in college when 9/11 happened. 1986 is no way X. They were the first to start high school in the 2000s, and the first to be able to ideally graduate college after the iPhone came out.
 

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Agree. I think it should be 1993-1999.
 

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1999 should be part of late millennials, since just like 1998, most of 1999 were old enough to form at least vague memories of 9/11 or earlier and were able to leave infancy or be old enough to start preschool before 9/11. Also, 1999 were old enough to finish primary school before Fortnite was released without the need to skip any grades. Late 1999 in many countries even.
 

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Also it seems weird to separate 1980 and 1981. They are both pretty alike. 1980 and 1981 should be part of the same generation whether X or Y. Both were early 80s, were teenagers in the early 2000s, and graduated high school in the late 90s.
 

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Also it seems weird to separate 1980 and 1981. They are both pretty alike. 1980 and 1981 should be part of the same generation whether X or Y. Both were early 80s, were teenagers in the early 2000s, and graduated high school in the late 90s.
people born in 80 and 81 were hardly teenagers of the early 00s
 

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I was born in '83 and my first favorite song was Beat It. Of course, by the time I was listening to it, I was 5 and it was '88. Ah, the Dirty Diana era...

Not to mention, Billie Jean was #1 the day I was born. I like my name! I also feel like I relate to people older rather than younger, and don't get along well with people younger than 20, the ungrateful little shits.
 

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1980 babies spent only 2000 as being teens at all, they are almost exclusively 90s teens
I think Pew should change its millennial definition to 1982-1997. They were all in school (if we are not counting college) in the 90s and 2000s, except 1995-1997 were just in preschool if potty trained and decided to go. 1981 were the last to finish mandatory schooling before the 90s ended, so seems quite X to me.
 

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I think Pew should change its millennial definition to 1982-1997. They were all in school (if we are not counting college) in the 90s and 2000s, except 1995-1997 were just in preschool if potty trained and decided to go. 1981 were the last to finish mandatory schooling before the 90s ended, so seems quite X to me.
1998 should be in there too. They're mostly the same except they 100% have no memory of the 90s
 

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1998 should be in there too. They're mostly the same except they 100% have no memory of the 90s
Yeah, and so should 1999 since 2000 would really be the ones that would 100% have no memory of 9/11 and they were not even alive for the 90s. I just did 1982-1997 to keep the sixteen year rule that Pew now has. Honestly, 1981 is less millennial than 1997. Actually if we are following the sixteen year rule since I consider 1980-1983 as xennials, the definition should be 1984-1999 since 1984 were the first to be born in a world where cell phones were being used publicly.
 

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Yeah, and so should 1999 since 2000 would really be the ones that would 100% have no memory of 9/11 and they were not even alive for the 90s. I just did 1982-1997 to keep the sixteen year rule that Pew now has. Honestly, 1981 is less millennial than 1997. Actually if we are following the sixteen year rule since I consider 1980-1983 as xennials, the definition should be 1984-1999 since 1984 were the first to be born in a world where cell phones were being used publicly.
It's like you think everyone will have memories of age 2. There are more people who have memory of age 6 than age 2.
 

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It's like you think everyone will have memories of age 2. There are more people who have memory of age 6 than age 2.
True. I never said that was not the case. However, there are people who may remember age six, but not age seven. I actually have a friend born a week after me who cant remember anything before third grade when he was almost 8.5 year olds, except for one memory he had when he was six. Childhood memory is weird like that. Everyone spent sometime as a six year old in first grade, so definitely age six would be easier to remember than age two, since people can keep track of their age better when they are in elementary school than in preschool or below.
 

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Most people get their first memories at age 3 or 4. Very few people remember anything from age 2.
No, many people cannot remember memories from ages 3 or age 4. Age 3 and age 4 are just as hard to remember like age 2. Many can remember age 2, but it may not be vivid like memories formed many years later. Sure age 2 might be just slightly more difficult, but age 5 is easier to remember than age 2-4, since age 5 is when you are actually required to start primary school, so you can keep better track of time and age that way. My first memories that I can accurately date were from age two. I have only memory from age 4 I can accurately date, but none from age 3 I can accurately date, except I do have one memory I can accurately date the year I turned three, but it was like four months before my third birthday. It is because unlike the year I turned two and the year I turned five, the year I turned three, and the year I turned four were all dead years for our family. No one in our family knows when I was in preschool, how old I was, or how long I was in it, but I do remember being in it.
 
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