[lordDandas]

Hello, I am an 18 year old guy with Absolutely no dating experience, however, I was deeply hurt by redpill and incels, so I decided I will write my retaliation over here. I know you guys probably aren´t unreasonable incels, so there´s no point in preaching to you. But I sort of wanna make sure I am not wrong. If not then... This is my antitode to the redpill desparity. And also, I just want to say my opinions and feelings about all the redpill content I accidentally consumed. This is my reaction to incels and redpill.
At the same time, I guess I wanna know if what I believe is wrong. So if I say something incorrect, people correct me. I also criticize a lot so, sorry, these are all just my subjective feelings.

Hello, I am quite a feminine guy, though my mom would disagree because I can get scarily disagreeable if someone is not respecting my boundries.
I am not like other guys and I mean that in the sense that I have no interest in having muscles, gaining money or status. I do not look up to masculinity and only see it as the means to an end.
Yet... There is a part of masculinity that I idealise. Or more like, I like musculinity just not the one portrayed everywhere. The only men I respect are my dad amd my older cousin, all of the other masculine people seem just like walking meatbags of insecurity. It´s hard to respect people like Jordan Peterson he lets everyone s*it on humanity´s self-worth and tell people stuff like
,,Female validation is fundemental."
Fundemental to what ? And that is a question. What is it fundemental to, Jordan ? To your ego ?
I believe that if you base your self-worth on external factors you will be inevitabely miserable and arrogant.
I also believe that muscles, money and status do not define a man´s worth but are rather the means to DEFEND what´s worth.

The other time, I had a crush on an introverted girl. Probably an INFP. And now, I am a very feminine guy and have a bit of a sub-conscious misandry, so it is purely my experience that I didn´t want to be Loved back by her. I did not care for her approval. But you know what I cared about ? I cared about her. I was worried sick that she´ll get hurt weather physically or psychicially and I suffered for days not knowing hot to cope with my feelings.
It felt like nothing will stop the suffering, not even if I started dating her. But then I remembered the first time I met her. She´s very introverted so she barely meets any new people and she heard about me from a friend of mine. And since my friend wanted her friends to become friends, she invited us to a meeting without telling us the other one would be there, because she knew that otherwise we would reject it.

So I recall walking into that café, my friend sitting there with the INFP girl and she looks at me in pure excitement and surprise. Well... turns out she was excited about meeting someone new.
After that... It DID get really awkward so nothing really came out of it but... It was an ISFP, INFP and an ENTP meeting so... It seemed we tolerated the awkwardness in a chill way. Well ,,nothing really came out of it" except for my completely irrational crush over someone I barely know, solely because of her f*cking attitude and also the memory of her "surprised pikatchu face"
So when I was suffering later on, for basically no reason as I always do, I remembered her excited face... And all the suffering went away. I was happy, I was satisfied. That face, that excitement... That´s what I want to live for.

I couldn´t give less f*cks about female validation because my self-worth is nearly unconditional. All I cared about was her. And heck... If she wants me to get muscles, money and cars... Then I´m happy to do it for her. But... I also know that she doesn´t want that. That´s not what would make her truly happy, I wanna give her more than that.
A wise man in a World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King trailer once said ,,But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people." and I agree, if you manage to excite her, to make her happy, that´s when you´re gonna become a true king to her. That´s what I believe.

Nowdays, people focus way too much on wanting to be Loved than actually Loving. And why ? Because they keep telling themselves over and over that they are unlovable. It started with men being unlovable no matter what, progressed to men being unlovable unless they get status. Stop telling yourself you´re unlovable.

Besides, why would I want to protect someone who thinks I am worthless at heart ? I have a difficulty respecting people like Jordan Peterson, they tell you to get better otherwise you´re not gonna be Loved... So really ? You take it that without your suit, career, money, intelligence... You are entirely worthless ? Pathetic.
It´s why I don´t look up to any men. Insecurity seethes from them. Except for my dad, my older cousin and... Handsome Jack.

Do women think I am worthless if I don´t have any muscles and status ? If so... To hell with them. But so far, this idea wasn´t confirmed.

You can´t Love someone who´d call You worthless if You were useless to them. It´s disgusting. ,,Get muscles, money and cars and she´ll Love You" Isn´t it common sense that that is just not the case. She´ll be with You cause at least unlike everyone else, You are sexually attractive... But all it takes is one slip and she´ll leave You... Because what have You ever done for HER other than try to earn her approval for Yourself ?

You are all playing pretend play. You preach strenght, muscles, redpill... Without understanding the nuances it takes to get there.
You are merely imitating your ancestors. And it shows.

And what am I ? A pussy... ? Now excuse my little rant here... None respects me, I feel like I am going through a cognitive deterioration and I can´t even put a sentence together real time. I am nothing but a stupid, dumb idiot who was always nothing but a burden.
Who am I to talk about this issue ? None respects me, everyone resents me and they don´t allow me to be around them. They gatekeep everything from me, they laugh and me and they mock me.
And yet, I feel like I am right. I don´t care about their insults and my self-worth remains the same. I have nothing to prove, no validation points to collect, no girls to exploit.

And what´s left is my Love and my will to do Good to protect it.

In a world where everyone believes in unconditional Love, the most valuable thing are other people. In a world where everyone believes in conditional Love, the most important thing is money, and everything else is just the means to an end.

Why do men supress their desire to do Good ? They bow their head and tell themselves ,,That´s right, I am a piece of garbage none wants so I have to make up for it with money and work so that I can compensate for my pahtetic existence." Why is that something I am supposed to be looking up to ?

Also, an important thing about being a Good guy. Goodness needs no validation, it is a self-sustaining force. You do Good because you believe it´s right. It means that no rejection will change your opinion of it. It speaks about your character. Sometimes, women are not interested in a Good guy. But you can´t expect a reward for being Good, being Good is the reward itself. My definition of Goodness is unconditional Love, for myself and everyone else. If you believe in unconditional Love, you will not fear rejection. You can just laugh it off. And I believe in second chances, if a girl rejects me it means that I am not good enough for her, yet. But even if she rejects me afterwards, it´s fine. After all, I Love her and I want to be with her to make her happy, if she knows that for some reason I wouldn´t be able to make her happy, why would I be forcing her to be in a relationship with me ? But... to be honest, I really am the type of guy who will look at my crush getting a boyfriend and go just like ,,Wow, I hope she´ll be happy." yeah... I am kinda... I am kind of a p*ssy in that regard, that´s not very attractive xD But yeah...

Now, I want to make something clear. I know there is a lot of women who are into redpill, too. Women who will look down on me and say that they would never date me unless I have all the things that I say are worthless. They will say ,,That´s just the way it is." And to that I say ,,That´s not the way it is, that´s the way you are." You want all that s*it for Yourself. You want a man that will be able to protect You, not me, I couldn´t care less. So if You think I am worthless without all that. First of all, You are selfish, second of all, we clearly do not share the same values and therefore I´d have no interest in dating you anyway.
I am not saying women would be bad people for rejecting me, I am just saying that you are rejecting me for selfish reasons. Don´t act like you´re a moral authority to me because I don´t fit your standards. You act like ,,Men should be blah blah blah" just because you´re a horny w*ore, okay ? Like, I am trying to say that muscles, money, status... If I have that, I have it for You. If You Love me for it, You only Love Yourself. And sure, if I get lonely, I can live in this one sided relationship just fine, always knowing that you will never really Love me but at least I can get someone I can Love, which sometimes is even a bigger win than being Loved. At the end of the day, I don´t care if I get rejected anymore, I know how to get girls and I know my self-worth. If you reject me... dude, you are no goddess. You are just a random hack that wants to get laid like everyone else does. Sure, maybe I did something wrong that made you reject me but... Who the f*ck cares ? Your p*sy is not the f*cking moral authority over here, hello ?

Or am I wrong. Is it necessary to objectify my feelings like that ? Maybe yeah, maybe Love and understanding is not enough to make one motivated to protect it, maybe you have to take everything away from them so that they get off of their butt and do something.

However, if someone tells ME to man up, I will break their jaw. If a woman tells me to man up, I will turn gay, transsexual and I´m gonna steal her husband and then tell HER to "woman up".

Once again, am I arrogant for thinking I deserve Love even though I am practically useless ? Or are you arrogant for thinking that you can outweight the value of life by materialistic bulls*it ?

In conclusion, none f*cks with me. I am way past tolerating everyone´s bulls*it. I know my worth and I have nothing to prove, it´s up to you to prove I am worthless... Good Luck, you´re gonna die trying. Probably of old age. Or the realisation of what it would imply if your values were logically consistent.

Are women supposed to take your self-worth away and slowly give it back as you do exactly what they want ? If so, I would rather be a woman than a man.

Why do you repress your feelings, guys ? Why do you devalue them ? You are men, therefore all or most of your feelings are exclusively masculine. Treat yourself and your feelings with respect. Everything you need to become a man is already in you.

Though, I am no "real man", I am just an 18 year old who can´t do anything. So, this post is open to criticism.

Chasing girls should be fun, not a desperate quest for self-worth.

I mean I feel like everything I said here is obvious, so why does everyone everywhere keep trying to disprove it ? Or is there something that I lack ? That I forgot ?

 

[ENTJudgement]

Hello, I am an 18 year old guy with Absolutely no dating experience, however, I was deeply hurt by redpill and incels, so I decided I will write my retaliation over here. I know you guys probably aren´t unreasonable incels, so there´s no point in preaching to you. But I sort of wanna make sure I am not wrong. If not then... This is my antitode to the redpill desparity. And also, I just want to say my opinions and feelings about all the redpill content I accidentally consumed. This is my reaction to incels and redpill.
At the same time, I guess I wanna know if what I believe is wrong. So if I say something incorrect, people correct me. I also criticize a lot so, sorry, these are all just my subjective feelings.

Hello, I am quite a feminine guy, though my mom would disagree because I can get scarily disagreeable if someone is not respecting my boundries.
I am not like other guys and I mean that in the sense that I have no interest in having muscles, gaining money or status. I do not look up to masculinity and only see it as the means to an end.
Yet... There is a part of masculinity that I idealise. Or more like, I like musculinity just not the one portrayed everywhere. The only men I respect are my dad amd my older cousin, all of the other masculine people seem just like walking meatbags of insecurity. It´s hard to respect people like Jordan Peterson he lets everyone s*it on humanity´s self-worth and tell people stuff like
,,Female validation is fundemental."
Fundemental to what ? And that is a question. What is it fundemental to, Jordan ? To your ego ?
I believe that if you base your self-worth on external factors you will be inevitabely miserable and arrogant.
I also believe that muscles, money and status do not define a man´s worth but are rather the means to DEFEND what´s worth.

The other time, I had a crush on an introverted girl. Probably an INFP. And now, I am a very feminine guy and have a bit of a sub-conscious misandry, so it is purely my experience that I didn´t want to be Loved back by her. I did not care for her approval. But you know what I cared about ? I cared about her. I was worried sick that she´ll get hurt weather physically or psychicially and I suffered for days not knowing hot to cope with my feelings.
It felt like nothing will stop the suffering, not even if I started dating her. But then I remembered the first time I met her. She´s very introverted so she barely meets any new people and she heard about me from a friend of mine. And since my friend wanted her friends to become friends, she invited us to a meeting without telling us the other one would be there, because she knew that otherwise we would reject it.

So I recall walking into that café, my friend sitting there with the INFP girl and she looks at me in pure excitement and surprise. Well... turns out she was excited about meeting someone new.
After that... It DID get really awkward so nothing really came out of it but... It was an ISFP, INFP and an ENTP meeting so... It seemed we tolerated the awkwardness in a chill way. Well ,,nothing really came out of it" except for my completely irrational crush over someone I barely know, solely because of her f*cking attitude and also the memory of her "surprised pikatchu face"
So when I was suffering later on, for basically no reason as I always do, I remembered her excited face... And all the suffering went away. I was happy, I was satisfied. That face, that excitement... That´s what I want to live for.

I couldn´t give less f*cks about female validation because my self-worth is nearly unconditional. All I cared about was her. And heck... If she wants me to get muscles, money and cars... Then I´m happy to do it for her. But... I also know that she doesn´t want that. That´s not what would make her truly happy, I wanna give her more than that.
A wise man in a World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King trailer once said ,,But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people." and I agree, if you manage to excite her, to make her happy, that´s when you´re gonna become a true king to her. That´s what I believe.

Nowdays, people focus way too much on wanting to be Loved than actually Loving. And why ? Because they keep telling themselves over and over that they are unlovable. It started with men being unlovable no matter what, progressed to men being unlovable unless they get status. Stop telling yourself you´re unlovable.

Besides, why would I want to protect someone who thinks I am worthless at heart ? I have a difficulty respecting people like Jordan Peterson, they tell you to get better otherwise you´re not gonna be Loved... So really ? You take it that without your suit, career, money, intelligence... You are entirely worthless ? Pathetic.
It´s why I don´t look up to any men. Insecurity seethes from them. Except for my dad, my older cousin and... Handsome Jack.

Do women think I am worthless if I don´t have any muscles and status ? If so... To hell with them. But so far, this idea wasn´t confirmed.

You can´t Love someone who´d call You worthless if You were useless to them. It´s disgusting. ,,Get muscles, money and cars and she´ll Love You" Isn´t it common sense that that is just not the case. She´ll be with You cause at least unlike everyone else, You are sexually attractive... But all it takes is one slip and she´ll leave You... Because what have You ever done for HER other than try to earn her approval for Yourself ?

You are all playing pretend play. You preach strenght, muscles, redpill... Without understanding the nuances it takes to get there.
You are merely imitating your ancestors. And it shows.

And what am I ? A pussy... ? Now excuse my little rant here... None respects me, I feel like I am going through a cognitive deterioration and I can´t even put a sentence together real time. I am nothing but a stupid, dumb idiot who was always nothing but a burden.
Who am I to talk about this issue ? None respects me, everyone resents me and they don´t allow me to be around them. They gatekeep everything from me, they laugh and me and they mock me.
And yet, I feel like I am right. I don´t care about their insults and my self-worth remains the same. I have nothing to prove, no validation points to collect, no girls to exploit.

And what´s left is my Love and my will to do Good to protect it.

In a world where everyone believes in unconditional Love, the most valuable thing are other people. In a world where everyone believes in conditional Love, the most important thing is money, and everything else is just the means to an end.

Why do men supress their desire to do Good ? They bow their head and tell themselves ,,That´s right, I am a piece of garbage none wants so I have to make up for it with money and work so that I can compensate for my pahtetic existence." Why is that something I am supposed to be looking up to ?

Also, an important thing about being a Good guy. Goodness needs no validation, it is a self-sustaining force. You do Good because you believe it´s right. It means that no rejection will change your opinion of it. It speaks about your character. Sometimes, women are not interested in a Good guy. But you can´t expect a reward for being Good, being Good is the reward itself. My definition of Goodness is unconditional Love, for myself and everyone else. If you believe in unconditional Love, you will not fear rejection. You can just laugh it off. And I believe in second chances, if a girl rejects me it means that I am not good enough for her, yet. But even if she rejects me afterwards, it´s fine. After all, I Love her and I want to be with her to make her happy, if she knows that for some reason I wouldn´t be able to make her happy, why would I be forcing her to be in a relationship with me ? But... to be honest, I really am the type of guy who will look at my crush getting a boyfriend and go just like ,,Wow, I hope she´ll be happy." yeah... I am kinda... I am kind of a p*ssy in that regard, that´s not very attractive xD But yeah...

Now, I want to make something clear. I know there is a lot of women who are into redpill, too. Women who will look down on me and say that they would never date me unless I have all the things that I say are worthless. They will say ,,That´s just the way it is." And to that I say ,,That´s not the way it is, that´s the way you are." You want all that s*it for Yourself. You want a man that will be able to protect You, not me, I couldn´t care less. So if You think I am worthless without all that. First of all, You are selfish, second of all, we clearly do not share the same values and therefore I´d have no interest in dating you anyway.
I am not saying women would be bad people for rejecting me, I am just saying that you are rejecting me for selfish reasons. Don´t act like you´re a moral authority to me because I don´t fit your standards. You act like ,,Men should be blah blah blah" just because you´re a horny w*ore, okay ? Like, I am trying to say that muscles, money, status... If I have that, I have it for You. If You Love me for it, You only Love Yourself. And sure, if I get lonely, I can live in this one sided relationship just fine, always knowing that you will never really Love me but at least I can get someone I can Love, which sometimes is even a bigger win than being Loved. At the end of the day, I don´t care if I get rejected anymore, I know how to get girls and I know my self-worth. If you reject me... dude, you are no goddess. You are just a random hack that wants to get laid like everyone else does. Sure, maybe I did something wrong that made you reject me but... Who the f*ck cares ? Your p*sy is not the f*cking moral authority over here, hello ?

Or am I wrong. Is it necessary to objectify my feelings like that ? Maybe yeah, maybe Love and understanding is not enough to make one motivated to protect it, maybe you have to take everything away from them so that they get off of their butt and do something.

However, if someone tells ME to man up, I will break their jaw. If a woman tells me to man up, I will turn gay, transsexual and I´m gonna steal her husband and then tell HER to "woman up".

Once again, am I arrogant for thinking I deserve Love even though I am practically useless ? Or are you arrogant for thinking that you can outweight the value of life by materialistic bulls*it ?

In conclusion, none f*cks with me. I am way past tolerating everyone´s bulls*it. I know my worth and I have nothing to prove, it´s up to you to prove I am worthless... Good Luck, you´re gonna die trying. Probably of old age. Or the realisation of what it would imply if your values were logically consistent.

Are women supposed to take your self-worth away and slowly give it back as you do exactly what they want ? If so, I would rather be a woman than a man.

Why do you repress your feelings, guys ? Why do you devalue them ? You are men, therefore all or most of your feelings are exclusively masculine. Treat yourself and your feelings with respect. Everything you need to become a man is already in you.

Though, I am no "real man", I am just an 18 year old who can´t do anything. So, this post is open to criticism.

Chasing girls should be fun, not a desperate quest for self-worth.

I mean I feel like everything I said here is obvious, so why does everyone everywhere keep trying to disprove it ? Or is there something that I lack ? That I forgot ?

Skimmed through your post, I think I see whats going on here and the easiest summary would be;

In a world where everyone believes in unconditional Love, the most valuable thing are other people. In a world where everyone believes in conditional Love, the most important thing is money, and everything else is just the means to an end.

Why do men supress their desire to do Good ? They bow their head and tell themselves ,,That´s right, I am a piece of garbage none wants so I have to make up for it with money and work so that I can compensate for my pahtetic existence." Why is that something I am supposed to be looking up to ?

Well most people WANT to believe in unconditional love but cannot offer it themselves so conditional love is what we offer and unconditional love is what we hope to receive.

Emotions are chaos
Rationale brings order to the chaos

This is why all types have a T function in their ego, someone without rationale or logic would be walking chaos. So with that in mind, work is inherently a good thing as it provides value to both yourself, family, kids and society, without work, society is unsustainable, you cannot operate on just feelings which is why men value work because rationale knows that without work, society will collapse. Money and status are a byproduct of work, it's the quickest way to show how much work you supposedly have done (obviously some got it through sheer luck or inheritance and your money may not be clean but generally speaking).

A lot of the time when life gets hard, you have no choice but to suppress your emotions (chaos) to focus on getting the outcome (rationale) this is what differentiates a "man" from a "boy", a boy will feel the emotions yet do nothing productive about it, when your kids are unhappy with the current living circumstances, whats going to pull your family through? Rationale or emotion?

When women mock men who they deem undesirable, what do they usually say? "Lives in his mom's basement" this is a direct knock to his competence, status and money, women don't always seek the man with the highest status/power/money but they sure look down on men who has none.

Are women supposed to take your self-worth away and slowly give it back as you do exactly what they want ? If so, I would rather be a woman than a man.

Men's worth is tied to himself and also externally to himself, if one's worth is purely tied only to himself but what hes doing is not acknowledged by anyone else then he will have a hard life don't you think? Theres more than just you in the world, so if you're going against society's expectations to do your own shit then don't expect others to value you unless what you're doing is of equal or beyond their initial expectations.

If you're aware of red pill philosophy then you should also be aware that they teach that hypergamous women simply select the men at the top and men are hierarchal meaning it's men's validation men should be seeking and they get women as a byproduct of being high in social status (vetted by other men). Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reciting their philosophy coz you seem to be scratching the surface.

Nowdays, people focus way too much on wanting to be Loved than actually Loving. And why ? Because they keep telling themselves over and over that they are unlovable. It started with men being unlovable no matter what, progressed to men being unlovable unless they get status. Stop telling yourself you´re unlovable.

No I think they're probably just selfish coz a wiser person knows that to receive love, you should give love, otherwise it's pretty unlikely people are just going to love you while u don't love them back. People think they're unlovable coz they're not extending their love to others and thus not receiving any back which feeds into their negative loop of I'm unlovable coz noone loves me, well, what did you do about it? Did u go out and love the world and others? Obviously when you love a selfish person you'll be met with more selfishness in return so don't count those, always bad eggs in a basket so if anyone focuses or dwells on negative experiences, they're just digging a grave for themselves.

And what am I ? A pussy... ? Now excuse my little rant here... None respects me, I feel like I am going through a cognitive deterioration and I can´t even put a sentence together real time. I am nothing but a stupid, dumb idiot who was always nothing but a burden.
Who am I to talk about this issue ? None respects me, everyone resents me and they don´t allow me to be around them. They gatekeep everything from me, they laugh and me and they mock me.
And yet, I feel like I am right. I don´t care about their insults and my self-worth remains the same. I have nothing to prove, no validation points to collect, no girls to exploit.

Well there you go, thats exactly what happens when I told u earlier that "Men's worth is tied to himself and also externally to himself, if one's worth is purely tied only to himself but what hes doing is not acknowledged by anyone else then he will have a hard life don't you think? Theres more than just you in the world, so if you're going against society's expectations to do your own shit then don't expect others to value you unless what you're doing is of equal or beyond their initial expectations."

You seriously need to get out of this mindset of everyone else is wrong, work is worthless, only feelings, principles and values count coz without ACTING and PROVIDING value, you know, MANIFESTING that into the world, it's just stuck in your head and worthless to anyone else. Picture a man who preaches about feelings, principles and values then you look at what hes contributed or done for society and it's close to a blank piece of paper, noone is gonna listen to that guy. You can talk the talk but u gotta walk the walk, you talk about how you've got such values and principles etc... so now people want to see that you've gone out there and perhaps worked for a charity or opened your own and see how many people you've actually helped otherwise noone will take u seriously.

 

[Handsome Dyke]

I read the first half.

Seems mostly fine but I suggest you drop the ideas about masculinity and instead focus on yourself and others in terms of being people rather than being masculine—what kind of people we all are, can be, or want to be.

 

[WickerDeer]

Hello, I am an 18 year old guy with Absolutely no dating experience, however, I was deeply hurt by redpill and incels, so I decided I will write my retaliation over here. I know you guys probably aren´t unreasonable incels, so there´s no point in preaching to you. But I sort of wanna make sure I am not wrong. If not then... This is my antitode to the redpill desparity. And also, I just want to say my opinions and feelings about all the redpill content I accidentally consumed. This is my reaction to incels and redpill.
At the same time, I guess I wanna know if what I believe is wrong. So if I say something incorrect, people correct me. I also criticize a lot so, sorry, these are all just my subjective feelings.

Hello, I am quite a feminine guy, though my mom would disagree because I can get scarily disagreeable if someone is not respecting my boundries.
I am not like other guys and I mean that in the sense that I have no interest in having muscles, gaining money or status. I do not look up to masculinity and only see it as the means to an end.
Yet... There is a part of masculinity that I idealise. Or more like, I like musculinity just not the one portrayed everywhere. The only men I respect are my dad amd my older cousin, all of the other masculine people seem just like walking meatbags of insecurity. It´s hard to respect people like Jordan Peterson he lets everyone s*it on humanity´s self-worth and tell people stuff like
,,Female validation is fundemental."
Fundemental to what ? And that is a question. What is it fundemental to, Jordan ? To your ego ?
I believe that if you base your self-worth on external factors you will be inevitabely miserable and arrogant.
I also believe that muscles, money and status do not define a man´s worth but are rather the means to DEFEND what´s worth.

The other time, I had a crush on an introverted girl. Probably an INFP. And now, I am a very feminine guy and have a bit of a sub-conscious misandry, so it is purely my experience that I didn´t want to be Loved back by her. I did not care for her approval. But you know what I cared about ? I cared about her. I was worried sick that she´ll get hurt weather physically or psychicially and I suffered for days not knowing hot to cope with my feelings.
It felt like nothing will stop the suffering, not even if I started dating her. But then I remembered the first time I met her. She´s very introverted so she barely meets any new people and she heard about me from a friend of mine. And since my friend wanted her friends to become friends, she invited us to a meeting without telling us the other one would be there, because she knew that otherwise we would reject it.

So I recall walking into that café, my friend sitting there with the INFP girl and she looks at me in pure excitement and surprise. Well... turns out she was excited about meeting someone new.
After that... It DID get really awkward so nothing really came out of it but... It was an ISFP, INFP and an ENTP meeting so... It seemed we tolerated the awkwardness in a chill way. Well ,,nothing really came out of it" except for my completely irrational crush over someone I barely know, solely because of her f*cking attitude and also the memory of her "surprised pikatchu face"
So when I was suffering later on, for basically no reason as I always do, I remembered her excited face... And all the suffering went away. I was happy, I was satisfied. That face, that excitement... That´s what I want to live for.

I couldn´t give less f*cks about female validation because my self-worth is nearly unconditional. All I cared about was her. And heck... If she wants me to get muscles, money and cars... Then I´m happy to do it for her. But... I also know that she doesn´t want that. That´s not what would make her truly happy, I wanna give her more than that.
A wise man in a World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King trailer once said ,,But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people." and I agree, if you manage to excite her, to make her happy, that´s when you´re gonna become a true king to her. That´s what I believe.

Nowdays, people focus way too much on wanting to be Loved than actually Loving. And why ? Because they keep telling themselves over and over that they are unlovable. It started with men being unlovable no matter what, progressed to men being unlovable unless they get status. Stop telling yourself you´re unlovable.

Besides, why would I want to protect someone who thinks I am worthless at heart ? I have a difficulty respecting people like Jordan Peterson, they tell you to get better otherwise you´re not gonna be Loved... So really ? You take it that without your suit, career, money, intelligence... You are entirely worthless ? Pathetic.
It´s why I don´t look up to any men. Insecurity seethes from them. Except for my dad, my older cousin and... Handsome Jack.

Do women think I am worthless if I don´t have any muscles and status ? If so... To hell with them. But so far, this idea wasn´t confirmed.

You can´t Love someone who´d call You worthless if You were useless to them. It´s disgusting. ,,Get muscles, money and cars and she´ll Love You" Isn´t it common sense that that is just not the case. She´ll be with You cause at least unlike everyone else, You are sexually attractive... But all it takes is one slip and she´ll leave You... Because what have You ever done for HER other than try to earn her approval for Yourself ?

You are all playing pretend play. You preach strenght, muscles, redpill... Without understanding the nuances it takes to get there.
You are merely imitating your ancestors. And it shows.

And what am I ? A pussy... ? Now excuse my little rant here... None respects me, I feel like I am going through a cognitive deterioration and I can´t even put a sentence together real time. I am nothing but a stupid, dumb idiot who was always nothing but a burden.
Who am I to talk about this issue ? None respects me, everyone resents me and they don´t allow me to be around them. They gatekeep everything from me, they laugh and me and they mock me.
And yet, I feel like I am right. I don´t care about their insults and my self-worth remains the same. I have nothing to prove, no validation points to collect, no girls to exploit.

And what´s left is my Love and my will to do Good to protect it.

In a world where everyone believes in unconditional Love, the most valuable thing are other people. In a world where everyone believes in conditional Love, the most important thing is money, and everything else is just the means to an end.

Why do men supress their desire to do Good ? They bow their head and tell themselves ,,That´s right, I am a piece of garbage none wants so I have to make up for it with money and work so that I can compensate for my pahtetic existence." Why is that something I am supposed to be looking up to ?

Also, an important thing about being a Good guy. Goodness needs no validation, it is a self-sustaining force. You do Good because you believe it´s right. It means that no rejection will change your opinion of it. It speaks about your character. Sometimes, women are not interested in a Good guy. But you can´t expect a reward for being Good, being Good is the reward itself. My definition of Goodness is unconditional Love, for myself and everyone else. If you believe in unconditional Love, you will not fear rejection. You can just laugh it off. And I believe in second chances, if a girl rejects me it means that I am not good enough for her, yet. But even if she rejects me afterwards, it´s fine. After all, I Love her and I want to be with her to make her happy, if she knows that for some reason I wouldn´t be able to make her happy, why would I be forcing her to be in a relationship with me ? But... to be honest, I really am the type of guy who will look at my crush getting a boyfriend and go just like ,,Wow, I hope she´ll be happy." yeah... I am kinda... I am kind of a p*ssy in that regard, that´s not very attractive xD But yeah...

Now, I want to make something clear. I know there is a lot of women who are into redpill, too. Women who will look down on me and say that they would never date me unless I have all the things that I say are worthless. They will say ,,That´s just the way it is." And to that I say ,,That´s not the way it is, that´s the way you are." You want all that s*it for Yourself. You want a man that will be able to protect You, not me, I couldn´t care less. So if You think I am worthless without all that. First of all, You are selfish, second of all, we clearly do not share the same values and therefore I´d have no interest in dating you anyway.
I am not saying women would be bad people for rejecting me, I am just saying that you are rejecting me for selfish reasons. Don´t act like you´re a moral authority to me because I don´t fit your standards. You act like ,,Men should be blah blah blah" just because you´re a horny w*ore, okay ? Like, I am trying to say that muscles, money, status... If I have that, I have it for You. If You Love me for it, You only Love Yourself. And sure, if I get lonely, I can live in this one sided relationship just fine, always knowing that you will never really Love me but at least I can get someone I can Love, which sometimes is even a bigger win than being Loved. At the end of the day, I don´t care if I get rejected anymore, I know how to get girls and I know my self-worth. If you reject me... dude, you are no goddess. You are just a random hack that wants to get laid like everyone else does. Sure, maybe I did something wrong that made you reject me but... Who the f*ck cares ? Your p*sy is not the f*cking moral authority over here, hello ?

Or am I wrong. Is it necessary to objectify my feelings like that ? Maybe yeah, maybe Love and understanding is not enough to make one motivated to protect it, maybe you have to take everything away from them so that they get off of their butt and do something.

However, if someone tells ME to man up, I will break their jaw. If a woman tells me to man up, I will turn gay, transsexual and I´m gonna steal her husband and then tell HER to "woman up".

Once again, am I arrogant for thinking I deserve Love even though I am practically useless ? Or are you arrogant for thinking that you can outweight the value of life by materialistic bulls*it ?

In conclusion, none f*cks with me. I am way past tolerating everyone´s bulls*it. I know my worth and I have nothing to prove, it´s up to you to prove I am worthless... Good Luck, you´re gonna die trying. Probably of old age. Or the realisation of what it would imply if your values were logically consistent.

Are women supposed to take your self-worth away and slowly give it back as you do exactly what they want ? If so, I would rather be a woman than a man.

Why do you repress your feelings, guys ? Why do you devalue them ? You are men, therefore all or most of your feelings are exclusively masculine. Treat yourself and your feelings with respect. Everything you need to become a man is already in you.

Though, I am no "real man", I am just an 18 year old who can´t do anything. So, this post is open to criticism.

Chasing girls should be fun, not a desperate quest for self-worth.

I mean I feel like everything I said here is obvious, so why does everyone everywhere keep trying to disprove it ? Or is there something that I lack ? That I forgot ?

You're addressing this to incels, so I don't really relate to the audience. The things I'd criticize are only that you should not break someone's jaw because they say "man up." It's not worth it. And it's also not worth stealing a woman's man to prove you are more womanly.

What you're going on about appreciating yourself and listening to your feelings--I definitely think that's good. Your value doesn't depend on other people's approval or them approving of your gender performance.

But the thing is--it depends on what you want and what the people you may be in a relationship want.

Money becomes important when you want to start a family, especially here in the US. So you need to consider what kind of lifestyle--if you want to have kids you have to provide for them. If you want to travel the world you have to have money to do so. And it makes sense to meet a partner who wants the same thing as you because everyone wants different things.

So if you think about your own values--I think you're going in a good direction. Incel and redpill stuff is really out there--so I can understand why you are reacting like this in the end, and I hope you are exaggerating. You don't have to act silly to prove your masculinity etc. There are plenty of intelligent and thoughtful men out there who do not base their worth around other people's approval, incels nor romantic interests.

You DO sound kind of depressed though, or like your self-esteem is suffering right now. So try not to be so hard on yourself, and consider talking to a therapist or reading some good non-redpill non-sexist self-help books about cognitive behavioral therapy maybe? But yeah, you sound fine through most of this. Good for you for thinking independently even in the midst of all those messages from incel/redpill, and at such a young age.

You don't sound like any of those negative things you called yourself. But you do need to think about what you want in life--what kind of things do you want to do? You're young--don't be so hard on yourself and just keep working towards living the life you want and being who you want to be. Your brain isn't even mature for more years--eat your Omega 3 gummy vitamins.

 

[ENFPathetic]

I get what you're trying to say, but, what's wrong with expecting adults to be competent human beings? You should definitely listen to your feelings, but you should also engage your brain as well and have some standards. Not too much. But some.

 

[Rihanna]

Hello, I am an 18 year old guy with Absolutely no dating experience, however, I was deeply hurt by redpill and incels, so I decided I will write my retaliation over here. I know you guys probably aren´t unreasonable incels, so there´s no point in preaching to you. But I sort of wanna make sure I am not wrong. If not then... This is my antitode to the redpill desparity. And also, I just want to say my opinions and feelings about all the redpill content I accidentally consumed. This is my reaction to incels and redpill.
At the same time, I guess I wanna know if what I believe is wrong. So if I say something incorrect, people correct me. I also criticize a lot so, sorry, these are all just my subjective feelings.

Hello, I am quite a feminine guy, though my mom would disagree because I can get scarily disagreeable if someone is not respecting my boundries.
I am not like other guys and I mean that in the sense that I have no interest in having muscles, gaining money or status. I do not look up to masculinity and only see it as the means to an end.
Yet... There is a part of masculinity that I idealise. Or more like, I like musculinity just not the one portrayed everywhere. The only men I respect are my dad amd my older cousin, all of the other masculine people seem just like walking meatbags of insecurity. It´s hard to respect people like Jordan Peterson he lets everyone s*it on humanity´s self-worth and tell people stuff like
,,Female validation is fundemental."
Fundemental to what ? And that is a question. What is it fundemental to, Jordan ? To your ego ?
I believe that if you base your self-worth on external factors you will be inevitabely miserable and arrogant.
I also believe that muscles, money and status do not define a man´s worth but are rather the means to DEFEND what´s worth.

The other time, I had a crush on an introverted girl. Probably an INFP. And now, I am a very feminine guy and have a bit of a sub-conscious misandry, so it is purely my experience that I didn´t want to be Loved back by her. I did not care for her approval. But you know what I cared about ? I cared about her. I was worried sick that she´ll get hurt weather physically or psychicially and I suffered for days not knowing hot to cope with my feelings.
It felt like nothing will stop the suffering, not even if I started dating her. But then I remembered the first time I met her. She´s very introverted so she barely meets any new people and she heard about me from a friend of mine. And since my friend wanted her friends to become friends, she invited us to a meeting without telling us the other one would be there, because she knew that otherwise we would reject it.

So I recall walking into that café, my friend sitting there with the INFP girl and she looks at me in pure excitement and surprise. Well... turns out she was excited about meeting someone new.
After that... It DID get really awkward so nothing really came out of it but... It was an ISFP, INFP and an ENTP meeting so... It seemed we tolerated the awkwardness in a chill way. Well ,,nothing really came out of it" except for my completely irrational crush over someone I barely know, solely because of her f*cking attitude and also the memory of her "surprised pikatchu face"
So when I was suffering later on, for basically no reason as I always do, I remembered her excited face... And all the suffering went away. I was happy, I was satisfied. That face, that excitement... That´s what I want to live for.

I couldn´t give less f*cks about female validation because my self-worth is nearly unconditional. All I cared about was her. And heck... If she wants me to get muscles, money and cars... Then I´m happy to do it for her. But... I also know that she doesn´t want that. That´s not what would make her truly happy, I wanna give her more than that.
A wise man in a World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King trailer once said ,,But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people." and I agree, if you manage to excite her, to make her happy, that´s when you´re gonna become a true king to her. That´s what I believe.

Nowdays, people focus way too much on wanting to be Loved than actually Loving. And why ? Because they keep telling themselves over and over that they are unlovable. It started with men being unlovable no matter what, progressed to men being unlovable unless they get status. Stop telling yourself you´re unlovable.

Besides, why would I want to protect someone who thinks I am worthless at heart ? I have a difficulty respecting people like Jordan Peterson, they tell you to get better otherwise you´re not gonna be Loved... So really ? You take it that without your suit, career, money, intelligence... You are entirely worthless ? Pathetic.
It´s why I don´t look up to any men. Insecurity seethes from them. Except for my dad, my older cousin and... Handsome Jack.

Do women think I am worthless if I don´t have any muscles and status ? If so... To hell with them. But so far, this idea wasn´t confirmed.

You can´t Love someone who´d call You worthless if You were useless to them. It´s disgusting. ,,Get muscles, money and cars and she´ll Love You" Isn´t it common sense that that is just not the case. She´ll be with You cause at least unlike everyone else, You are sexually attractive... But all it takes is one slip and she´ll leave You... Because what have You ever done for HER other than try to earn her approval for Yourself ?

You are all playing pretend play. You preach strenght, muscles, redpill... Without understanding the nuances it takes to get there.
You are merely imitating your ancestors. And it shows.

And what am I ? A pussy... ? Now excuse my little rant here... None respects me, I feel like I am going through a cognitive deterioration and I can´t even put a sentence together real time. I am nothing but a stupid, dumb idiot who was always nothing but a burden.
Who am I to talk about this issue ? None respects me, everyone resents me and they don´t allow me to be around them. They gatekeep everything from me, they laugh and me and they mock me.
And yet, I feel like I am right. I don´t care about their insults and my self-worth remains the same. I have nothing to prove, no validation points to collect, no girls to exploit.

And what´s left is my Love and my will to do Good to protect it.

In a world where everyone believes in unconditional Love, the most valuable thing are other people. In a world where everyone believes in conditional Love, the most important thing is money, and everything else is just the means to an end.

Why do men supress their desire to do Good ? They bow their head and tell themselves ,,That´s right, I am a piece of garbage none wants so I have to make up for it with money and work so that I can compensate for my pahtetic existence." Why is that something I am supposed to be looking up to ?

Also, an important thing about being a Good guy. Goodness needs no validation, it is a self-sustaining force. You do Good because you believe it´s right. It means that no rejection will change your opinion of it. It speaks about your character. Sometimes, women are not interested in a Good guy. But you can´t expect a reward for being Good, being Good is the reward itself. My definition of Goodness is unconditional Love, for myself and everyone else. If you believe in unconditional Love, you will not fear rejection. You can just laugh it off. And I believe in second chances, if a girl rejects me it means that I am not good enough for her, yet. But even if she rejects me afterwards, it´s fine. After all, I Love her and I want to be with her to make her happy, if she knows that for some reason I wouldn´t be able to make her happy, why would I be forcing her to be in a relationship with me ? But... to be honest, I really am the type of guy who will look at my crush getting a boyfriend and go just like ,,Wow, I hope she´ll be happy." yeah... I am kinda... I am kind of a p*ssy in that regard, that´s not very attractive xD But yeah...

Now, I want to make something clear. I know there is a lot of women who are into redpill, too. Women who will look down on me and say that they would never date me unless I have all the things that I say are worthless. They will say ,,That´s just the way it is." And to that I say ,,That´s not the way it is, that´s the way you are." You want all that s*it for Yourself. You want a man that will be able to protect You, not me, I couldn´t care less. So if You think I am worthless without all that. First of all, You are selfish, second of all, we clearly do not share the same values and therefore I´d have no interest in dating you anyway.
I am not saying women would be bad people for rejecting me, I am just saying that you are rejecting me for selfish reasons. Don´t act like you´re a moral authority to me because I don´t fit your standards. You act like ,,Men should be blah blah blah" just because you´re a horny w*ore, okay ? Like, I am trying to say that muscles, money, status... If I have that, I have it for You. If You Love me for it, You only Love Yourself. And sure, if I get lonely, I can live in this one sided relationship just fine, always knowing that you will never really Love me but at least I can get someone I can Love, which sometimes is even a bigger win than being Loved. At the end of the day, I don´t care if I get rejected anymore, I know how to get girls and I know my self-worth. If you reject me... dude, you are no goddess. You are just a random hack that wants to get laid like everyone else does. Sure, maybe I did something wrong that made you reject me but... Who the f*ck cares ? Your p*sy is not the f*cking moral authority over here, hello ?

Or am I wrong. Is it necessary to objectify my feelings like that ? Maybe yeah, maybe Love and understanding is not enough to make one motivated to protect it, maybe you have to take everything away from them so that they get off of their butt and do something.

However, if someone tells ME to man up, I will break their jaw. If a woman tells me to man up, I will turn gay, transsexual and I´m gonna steal her husband and then tell HER to "woman up".

Once again, am I arrogant for thinking I deserve Love even though I am practically useless ? Or are you arrogant for thinking that you can outweight the value of life by materialistic bulls*it ?

In conclusion, none f*cks with me. I am way past tolerating everyone´s bulls*it. I know my worth and I have nothing to prove, it´s up to you to prove I am worthless... Good Luck, you´re gonna die trying. Probably of old age. Or the realisation of what it would imply if your values were logically consistent.

Are women supposed to take your self-worth away and slowly give it back as you do exactly what they want ? If so, I would rather be a woman than a man.

Why do you repress your feelings, guys ? Why do you devalue them ? You are men, therefore all or most of your feelings are exclusively masculine. Treat yourself and your feelings with respect. Everything you need to become a man is already in you.

Though, I am no "real man", I am just an 18 year old who can´t do anything. So, this post is open to criticism.

Chasing girls should be fun, not a desperate quest for self-worth.

I mean I feel like everything I said here is obvious, so why does everyone everywhere keep trying to disprove it ? Or is there something that I lack ? That I forgot ?

Glad you're thinking about it.

Interesting post. First half my reaction was ..." dont let that redpill stuff rot your brain. Best bet is to ignore they exist. I've attempted to do the same yet it's like the algorithm wants to shove it into my feed, needlessly. They're too far gone for reasoning, mostly. You're closer to the point than most of those guys. "

Then it got a tad weird and I got confuzled. This made me laugh though,

"
However, if someone tells ME to man up, I will break their jaw. If a woman tells me to man up, I will turn gay, transsexual and I´m gonna steal her husband and then tell HER to "woman up". "

I mean, it's been a while since I've been a spiteful teen but hey, it still is satisfying to read.

Okay so, where to start. Red-pillers are not seeking out "love." They wouldn't know what it looked like if it hit them in the face. That's in all likelihood is why they are what they are. What they are seeking is worth and they have none, not in any internal fountain self perpetuating form like you or I. You are gifted in that you can perceive that insecurity easily. A talent of Fi dominance I suppose. Where others in dire situations look up to the leaders of those movements for guidance. I find it somewhat an egregious exploitation of insecure young men. There's something sort of gross about that, but it's blind leading blind, echo chambering away in what seems the favorite format of shock value social media posts, and podcasts along side scantily clad women who are very not well spoken. Bonus, if they do some sort of sex work.

What they want outside of worth is, sexual access, control, and power. Again, not love. Again, because they have none. So they are attempting to supplant love for sex and control. Tale as old as time? Probably because at some point in their life they let bitter-ment get the better of them and resentment is all they have left with no sound or healthy view point to look out from into the world of others.

The kicker is they want to be seen as of worth by others, and sexually desired for procreation by the opposite sex without doing any work. Internal or external. They can barely love themselves. So when a stereotypically attractive man who is socially ascribed as successful and is surrounded by women on social media, tells them women are gold digging hoes so use them as they use you. They get a free mental pass that enables them to believe, yeah it's cuz women are toxic hoes, there's nothing wrong with me, look! that father like figure I idolize to compensate for my own lack of father figure said so...

With that said, excessive self worth that comes from no where and is based on nothing is not healthy. Ideally we all grow up with parents who instill our worth within us. (In something approximating unconditional form.) A healthy base. In practice, well... you get very dysfunctional little boys and girls looking for it in all the wrong places, going about it in all the wrong ways.

The other thing is in truity, if we're being blunt, love is conditional. If not, you would love every girl, not that one girl who lit up. Your love was conditional on her having a certain reaction to you or being otherwise adorable. Something that earned your affections. Maybe cute, dare I say. People have other 'ticks.'

And what you value for your reasons, as you said is not what other people will value in whatever moment they are in their lives or position they are in their mind's reasons. Call it selfish but what do you want? People to not go after what they want and like? What kind of dystopian shit show do you wanna run. Such is to be life. JP I actually don't see as particularly bad actor, but he certainly does talk to aggregate trends as seen on a larger social level and not to individuals. Which is a downfall in clarity. If he said "female validation is crucial" he meant it on an evolutionary, big picture scale of perpetuating the species. Unless you wanna rape them for conception. If women choose their partners, you'd want to be attractive to a woman. So he talks to what is attractive to women on the scale of broad trend. I.E ("provider, protector, ....) The usual culprits of positive masculine appeals. He's in the social sciences after all and that's what he studies.

On the other hand, you have something to offer. It's just not what others do. So, you'll have to find your own path. And that's OK. I don't exactly conform to women's general appeals. (nurturer, agreeable, needs a savior, ...)

Variety is the spice of life, no?

Last note, on withholding affections to influence behavior. It's a pretty common tact of people. It's not a strategy I like but it's pretty common out there in the world. We are as a human species pretty fragile, bound by evaluations of other of us. Maybe more leaning into an Fe thing but influencing others behaviors by your validation and withholding, and vice versa is quite a running socializing effort. This includes romantic relations.

Now I will say the downfall of Fi dominant position is you are too independent in your evaluations. Too separate from the tribe. And you don't feel yourself wrong all while complaining about the outcome. This is a tad narcissism. A result of perceived moral superiority and relative self absorption.

You mentioned that girl, that "...I also know that she doesn´t want that. That´s not what would make her truly happy, I wanna give her more than that." Do you actually know what that girl wants? Did you ever ask or get to know it? Or are you projecting a fantasy onto this girl of what you think she would want? This is not a gotcha. There's no wrong answer. Just something to ask yourself, if you haven't already. I mean if she's the average girl then she likely wants, security, kindness, financial ability...whatever. If she's not the average girl then maybe she is seeking what you're putting out and you're a perfect match.

The cars and yachts, abs are just (in and of themselves solely) gonna attract the same quality of the women that having big tits and flaunting them while posting videos of yourself in a g-string online is gonna attract of quality of men. Generally. Cheap, easy, looking to exploit. So the exploitative cycle will continue and those men will continue thinking women are gold diggers and those girls will continue thinking men are all the same, exploiters of women. Because that's what will swarm them. The primitive needs they're advertising themselves for. (filling of) And they'll both be right, in their bubble where they've facilitated and rolled out the red carpet for the dark part of the human psyche to settle in and arrive. And genuine relationships are too hard. Cheap and easy is best.

Why develop as a person when you can 'hack' it?

And this is quite a Te article but I will add it here just in case it is of value. I consider it a really good piece of writing and find excuses to share it when it might be relevant to a subject. 6 Harsh Truths That Will Make You a Better Person

Hope my attempted reply was of use.

 

[lordDandas]

Hope my attempted reply was of use.

Your attempted reply was of big use. I am very grateful for it, cause it validated everything I believed. You basically articulated everything I thought in a way I never could. And it was flattering, too. Thanks for your time !
And I really appreciate it, if I can´t put my appreciation into words... I´ll just let the fact that I spent my entire day thinking about it and writing a reply cause I was inspired by it, speak for itself. You make so many Good points ! Like surprisingly so... I didn´t even expect that... I mean I look at it each time and I am always impressed. You said so many Awesome points. So thank you a lot !

[TLDR: Uhm... you don´t have to... read anything else I wrote here... If you want to hear my response to your criticisms just read first few sentences of every paragraph. Y-you don´t have to read anything of what I wrote here below xDDD Just in case you´re interested but I really don´t force you. I have trouble with keeping things short because one response only triggers more questions and I really am just letting everything out and I spent mostly the entire day thinking about it and writing it (also most of it is unreasonable and inappropriate so there´s no really point in reading it) and it was Fun ! So... it´s not like it was time wasted. Okay I hope I didn´t forget anything (also sorry for being weird) (also sorry for overwhelming you with brackets and unnecessary information) (and sorry for apologising, I am not scared of you, don´t worry (and sorry for assuming that you thought I was scared of you)...(I am sorry for everything that you dislike about this reply(I only say that so that I don´t have to take any accountability for it, shhh))]

Interesting post. First half my reaction was ..." dont let that redpill stuff rot your brain. Best bet is to ignore they exist. I've attempted to do the same yet it's like the algorithm wants to shove it into my feed, needlessly. They're too far gone for reasoning, mostly. You're closer to the point than most of those guys. "

Yeah, that´s how I feel, too xD Especially about people who are completely unfamiliar with it.
I actually feel sorry for incels, too, y´know. I think dating can be really wholesome if you don´t tie it too closely to your self-worth. That´s why I think unconditional self-love is important. Because then... you are gonna start improving because You Love others... not because You hate yourself, or the worst case scenario, resent others for disliking you.
I actually thought about trying to help some incels out. That was one of the reasons why I posted this post, I wanted to know weather I do actually know at least a little better than them.

And what you value for your reasons, as you said is not what other people will value in whatever moment they are in their lives or position they are in their mind's reasons. Call it selfish but what do you want? People to not go after what they want and like? What kind of dystopian shit show do you wanna run. Such is to be life. JP I actually don't see as particularly bad actor, but he certainly does talk to aggregate trends as seen on a larger social level and not to individuals. Which is a downfall in clarity. If he said "female validation is crucial" he meant it on an evolutionary, big picture scale of perpetuating the species. Unless you wanna rape them for conception. If women choose their partners, you'd want to be attractive to a woman. So he talks to what is attractive to women on the scale of broad trend. I.E ("provider, protector, ....) The usual culprits of positive masculine appeals. He's in the social sciences after all and that's what he studies.

Actually my point about unconditional Love was meant more of a ,,Everyone has a right to basic amount of worth and Love, otherwise there´s no way you can ever grow to Love someone else." And yes I will call them selfish, because I will not allow their kinks or preferences to damage my self-worth.

One of the things that actually pulled me out of the incel redpill mentality was the fact that I was looking up to girls. They say ,,Sometimes it takes a man to be the Best girl." and I believe the same applies even in the opposite. If you want to know how to be a real man, my hypothesies is that you should look up to women. Cause they know what a real man looks like.
I noticed that the women I know are logical, moral and selfless, they know their self-worth and always seem to care about the greater cause. Annoyed by the immature boys who care about nothing but getting laid. So instead of looking up to insecure men I know, I started looking up to those girls. I wanted to be just like them and or even better than them. And that´s what actually lead to this post.
(So actually I do want to become better... y´all just kinda ignored the part where I say that)

Actually you know what ? You made me remember. The reason why I got a crush on that girl is because I looked up to her. She striked me as proud, strong willed and kind. Looking at me with these Beautiful judgmental eyes. And I spent several days thinking, how could... It wasn´t about wanting to be Loved by her. It was about... how could I make her happy. She reminds me of me, yet compared to her I am completely nothing. The idea... that I would be this endless void of patheticness and stupidity started to scare me.
Deep down, I feel like I am nothing. Like I am harmful to everyone around me. In a novel I am writing I assigned my self-insert character to the conception of death, clumsy, unfocused, unpredictable... Cute, welcoming, yet gravely dangerous and out of control. A part of me that represents desecration, apathy and sheer and utter unconditional worthlessness.
And the pride and judgement in her eyes, made me want to kill this part of myself. I don´t want anyone to get hurt, I don´t want anyone to be devalued. I want her to be proud, I want her to be strong. I don´t want to disappoint her.
So I knew I don´t deserve her. But I can´t be dependant on her approval. She isn´t dependant on anyone´s approval. She´s better than me in every way and that´s why I had a crush on her. And I wanted to become her equal. If not to be in a relationship with her, then to at least restore her faith in humanity.

You mentioned that girl, that "...I also know that she doesn´t want that. That´s not what would make her truly happy, I wanna give her more than that." Do you actually know what that girl wants? Did you ever ask or get to know it? Or are you projecting a fantasy onto this girl of what you think she would want? This is not a gotcha. There's no wrong answer. Just something to ask yourself, if you haven't already. I mean if she's the average girl then she likely wants, security, kindness, financial ability...whatever. If she's not the average girl then maybe she is seeking what you're putting out and you're a perfect match.

Oh yeah and this next part is kind of scary, so I apologise for that. I actually don´t know her much. I only hear about her and I saw her few times. And I was telling myself like ,,C´mon, you don´t even know her you can´t like her like that." but before you know it I can´t stop thinking about her. I am sorry I am talking about her so much, it´s so creepy to think that there are other people like me. She doesn´t deserve any of this attention, I don´t know what is wrong with me. Obsessively thinking about someone I barely know, dude, it´s terrifying. So I would never even think to resent her for anything xD In truth I probably don´t even like her, as you said, probably just a false image of her, based in what I already know about her. But still my Love for her has been torturing me for days, so this is a Good model to explore my feelings with. So this is basically, just an exploration of my feelings towards a general Love interest.
So basically yes, I guess I am projecting a fantasy onto this girl. Poor her, nontheless my point still stands.
I want to be better than everyone else. Exclusively, so whatever it is that she´d want I´d give it to her. Because... I guess I wrote ,,I want to give her more" because I was thinking of all the wives that live with a husband who can offer them security but... not much else. You see... it always bothered me whenever I saw a girl with some duchebag. I know this is a very stereotypical situation but just because people like that are mocked and being marked as jealous doesn´t mean I am not gonna be true to myself. I believe that some husbands are idiots and I can do way better than them. I believe that money, security and agressive dominant attitude is not enough. It may be the acceptable minimum but it´s not enough. And it´s not because I want to feel special, really. I already know I am special, I don´t need proof for that. It´s because I want the girl´s hopes and dreams to be respected. I want her to feel special as well. I don´t want her to settle down for an idiot just because he´s the only option.
And I am not looking to disrespect any guys. I am not even forcing anything onto any girl. I am just gonna be over here, doing my own thing, if you like it come along.
If you want to be mysoginistic high meintenence cattle, if that´s your romantic fantasy then go on ahead, I don´t care.
And I know I am projecting all this on everyone, maybe they are happy in which case, fine. I even got depressed for a while over the possibility that maybe she isn´t as Awesome as I think. What if I really like her only because she is better than me, as I mentioned earlier ? And what if I become better than her ? Then... she´s gonna be acting like me ? Will she be desperate for my approval ? Will I stop admiring her (Yeah this is basically gonna get disproven later on in this post) ? What if she isn´t better than me and I actually just hallucinated.
That´s when it came back to unconditional self Love. What I find attractive and what I have been thought is that I as a person and everyone else is entitled to status, riches and Love, You just gotta prove that You are.

Maybe she even does care about the approval of others :O That would be a turn off... kinda... n-not really.

The other thing is in truity, if we're being blunt, love is conditional. If not, you would love every girl, not that one girl who lit up. Your love was conditional on her having a certain reaction to you or being otherwise adorable. Something that earned your affections. Maybe cute, dare I say. People have other 'ticks.'

The reaction she had to me wasn´t what made me have a crush on her. Her reaction simply made me happy because I think she deserves to be excited and happy. Her smile was the answer to my internal suffering. Cause I was worried sick for her.
What actually did make me have a crush on her immediatelly, was that she reminded me of myself. That stubborn, proud, judgemental attitude. And I wanted her to feel as Loved as I do, because if I get to feel this way, she deserves it, too. ESPECIALLY, if she´s exactly like me... sigh... I guess I really have high narcisstic tendencies.

I will tell you this, I Love every girl. It´s just that I´d Love this one a little more because she is like me or better than me. But I don´t deserve her for that exact reason. So who am I to set the conditions ? Maybe I do wish I could Love this one in particular but who am I to decide ?

Or maybe... maybe my Love even offends them. Maybe they think they don´t deserve to be Loved for the way they are and that they can do better. Well in that case, that´s the end for me. Cause I can´t compare to whatever it is that they want to become.
My Love in this case... would once again... become a representation of death. Death of potential. Sometimes conditional Love is necessary for growth, right ? Well I don´t believe I can grow.
That´s why I was with my narcisstic girlfriend(yeah, I wrote a long paragraph about her but I... can´t find it ?), she was with me because of how pathetic I was. And I was with her because I just drag everyone else down. If she was capable of growth, I wouldn´t dare to slow her down but she isn´t... just like me.
Despite everything, I Love myself and I want everyone to feel the same way about themselves as I do.
I have one condition. I gotta be able to make you happy. That´s all. Fat, skinny, old, ugly... well not stupid, I don´t appreciate stupid girls, so I guess that´s a condition but that´s just because I can´t stand being around a person who reminds me of my deepest flaw, and I would probably even Love a man just fine. I can show them Love. Cause who the f*ck am I to make conditions ?
I do actually have kind of a hero complex when it comes to... well actually everyone. I act feminine around guys, so that they feel needed and valued and I act masculine around girls so that they feel wanted and valued. (Which is why I was in a relationship with a narcisst. I could feel that she feels unworthy and I wanted to make her happy, though that was soon to be found out as an impossible task. I find it very tragic. Seriously, where is the paragraph I wrote about her, it was so good and it made so many points. The main point being ,,I was dating a narcisst which means that basically my Love is nearly unconditional because of my Hero complex. (I mean she w- No I won´t repeat myself, that paragraph was somewhere here now it isn´t here)) It´s really easy for me to gain respect from men but not so easy with women.
You confused me, you made me think that my Love is conditional actually and it took several looooong conflicting paragraphs to figure out that actually it isn´t.
But it´s funny how I got to that conclusion. Because I myself am the condition. If you demand something I am not capable of, then you can´t date me. I will not do anything I can´t do. So that narows it down. So I dunno, is it conditional, is it not conditional ?
I lack standards.
And as far as sexual attraction goes. I am already sexually attracted to myself so. And the fact that I am better looking than someone turns me on, anyway.
I guess only conditions would be don´t be a freak and don´t harm me ? And I have to know you well and for a longer time, so that, too.

[TLDR: Some people are offended by unconditional Love. And I as hell am not capable not entitled to have conditional Love]

Now I will say the downfall of Fi dominant position is you are too independent in your evaluations. Too separate from the tribe. And you don't feel yourself wrong all while complaining about the outcome. This is a tad narcissism. A result of perceived moral superiority and relative self absorption.

Yeah, I believe I am nothing, yet I Love myself fiercly. If you are better than me and willing to settle for me, then I´ll be happy. If none wants you and I can be your savior, sure. I admit I have a massive narcissm in me. It´s... it´s kind of sad actually. I am so extremely self-absorbed it´s alarming, actually. If I could f*ck myself, I would. Ha ha, why does this joke resonate with me so much. Yeah i-it´s not a joke. I am so hot it´s making me depressed. Y´know, I am all I need, I never really had any friends and when I did I would only see them like once a month. My Best friend is me.
That´s why my Love is unconditional. You just gotta find the right approach.

Wait... I DIDN´T EVEN SAY that my romantic Love is unconditional, in my original post. I said that everyone deserves a fair share of unconditional Love. And yet I made two blocks of text about how it is !
Wow, the things You make me say.
But as it turns out, it mostly is.

W-why am I saying all this, again ? Y-you didn´t ask, did you ?

And what you value for your reasons, as you said is not what other people will value in whatever moment they are in their lives or position they are in their mind's reasons. Call it selfish but what do you want? People to not go after what they want and like? What kind of dystopian shit show do you wanna run. Such is to be life. JP I actually don't see as particularly bad actor, but he certainly does talk to aggregate trends as seen on a larger social level and not to individuals. Which is a downfall in clarity. If he said "female validation is crucial" he meant it on an evolutionary, big picture scale of perpetuating the species. Unless you wanna rape them for conception. If women choose their partners, you'd want to be attractive to a woman. So he talks to what is attractive to women on the scale of broad trend. I.E ("provider, protector, ....) The usual culprits of positive masculine appeals. He's in the social sciences after all and that's what he studies.

And also, despite all this, I want to improve the Best I can. I never said anywhere that I don´t xD (I said it several times throughout this and that post but just to make it clear)

 

[lordDandas]

I get what you're trying to say, but, what's wrong with expecting adults to be competent human beings? You should definitely listen to your feelings, but you should also engage your brain as well and have some standards. Not too much. But some.

Pffft, you guys are weird. But okay, if- if you wanna, then sure. I´m gonna become competent if you like it so much. Imma do it for you. You can be happy that there´s gonna be one more competent person in the world, m´kay ? But remember, I´m not doing it cause of myself ! I´m doing it cause of you. Imma do it cause you read my post <3
Thank you.

 

[ENFPathetic]

Pffft, you guys are weird. But okay, if- if you wanna, then sure. I´m gonna become competent if you like it so much. Imma do it for you. You can be happy that there´s gonna be one more competent person in the world, m´kay ? But remember, I´m not doing it cause of myself ! I´m doing it cause of you. Imma do it cause you read my post <3
Thank you.

I don't care whether you're competent or not. I just don't understand why you think having an expectation of basic competence from an adult is an evil thing. You could answer the question instead of being a flippant brat.

P.S. I'm not "you guys". I'm me.

 

[ENTJudgement]

Your attempted reply was of big use. I am very grateful for it, cause it validated everything I believed.

Why are you seeking validation from others when you clearly state in your post you don't need external validation?

 

[lordDandas]

I don't care whether you're competent or not. I just don't understand why you think having an expectation of basic competence from an adult is an evil thing. You could answer the question instead of being a flippant brat.

P.S. I'm not "you guys". I'm me.

Wow, okay. Well, I never said it´s a bad thing, I said that ,,I" don´t care about it. If I acquire competence I will do it for other people. It will never matter to me, or at least I think it won´t. I am not entitled to be praised for it, I don´t care to be praised for it. I have no interest in it being a part of my ego. I will tell you this, actually, y´know... working... putting effort into something, always felt humiliating to me. And getting praised for wasting my time, even more. So what I wrote is the result of that. There´s nothing wrong with it but I will keep it as far away from my ego as possible. So the reason, why I keep bringing up this point so much, is because to be Loved for THAT is not Cool. If... I work my a*s to aquire status, money, all this s*it. It really says more about the worth of the people I do it for, than about my worth. Because I don´t want that s*it to have anything to do with me. And if someone´s gonna act like I did it for myself, well Imma get mad. I don´t care about how competent I am, weather it is not at all or a lot.
I dunno I just can´t bring myself to care, I just can´t.
Either I am qualified for something or I am not, there´s nothing more to it. If you start connecting your self-worth to it, it will only lead to arrogance, entitlement and resentment. And even if it didn´t, I honestly, really, truly just don´t care.
You know, my social circle does not respect me. Precisely for this reason. But there were instances where I actually managed to impress them by something and the immediate switch in their attitude towards me made me just disappointed in them.
And I don´t know what did I do to deserve such an agressive response to be honest, you see this is exactly why I keep quiet for the majority of time. Because whatever it is that I did I would do again and I would certainly not expect a reaction like that from it. So y´know, enlighten me if you wanna. I haven´t really had a conversation with anyone but my narcisstic ex-girlfriend in 4 years so if this is some kind of a rule. Like, I get I didn´t answer your question. But what did I do for you to call me a flippant brat ? Maybe I am a filppant brat, I dunno.

 

[ENTJudgement]

Your attempted reply was of big use. I am very grateful for it, cause it validated everything I believed. You basically articulated everything I thought in a way I never could. And it was flattering, too. Thanks for your time !
And I really appreciate it, if I can´t put my appreciation into words... I´ll just let the fact that I spent my entire day thinking about it and writing a reply cause I was inspired by it, speak for itself. You make so many Good points ! Like surprisingly so... I didn´t even expect that... I mean I look at it each time and I am always impressed. You said so many Awesome points. So thank you a lot !

[TLDR: Uhm... you don´t have to... read anything else I wrote here... If you want to hear my response to your criticisms just read first few sentences of every paragraph. Y-you don´t have to read anything of what I wrote here below xDDD Just in case you´re interested but I really don´t force you. I have trouble with keeping things short because one response only triggers more questions and I really am just letting everything out and I spent mostly the entire day thinking about it and writing it (also most of it is unreasonable and inappropriate so there´s no really point in reading it) and it was Fun ! So... it´s not like it was time wasted. Okay I hope I didn´t forget anything (also sorry for being weird) (also sorry for overwhelming you with brackets and unnecessary information) (and sorry for apologising, I am not scared of you, don´t worry (and sorry for assuming that you thought I was scared of you)...(I am sorry for everything that you dislike about this reply(I only say that so that I don´t have to take any accountability for it, shhh))]



Yeah, that´s how I feel, too xD Especially about people who are completely unfamiliar with it.
I actually feel sorry for incels, too, y´know. I think dating can be really wholesome if you don´t tie it too closely to your self-worth. That´s why I think unconditional self-love is important. Because then... you are gonna start improving because You Love others... not because You hate yourself, or the worst case scenario, resent others for disliking you.
I actually thought about trying to help some incels out. That was one of the reasons why I posted this post, I wanted to know weather I do actually know at least a little better than them.



Actually my point about unconditional Love was meant more of a ,,Everyone has a right to basic amount of worth and Love, otherwise there´s no way you can ever grow to Love someone else." And yes I will call them selfish, because I will not allow their kinks or preferences to damage my self-worth.

One of the things that actually pulled me out of the incel redpill mentality was the fact that I was looking up to girls. They say ,,Sometimes it takes a man to be the Best girl." and I believe the same applies even in the opposite. If you want to know how to be a real man, my hypothesies is that you should look up to women. Cause they know what a real man looks like.
I noticed that the women I know are logical, moral and selfless, they know their self-worth and always seem to care about the greater cause. Annoyed by the immature boys who care about nothing but getting laid. So instead of looking up to insecure men I know, I started looking up to those girls. I wanted to be just like them and or even better than them. And that´s what actually lead to this post.
(So actually I do want to become better... y´all just kinda ignored the part where I say that)

Actually you know what ? You made me remember. The reason why I got a crush on that girl is because I looked up to her. She striked me as proud, strong willed and kind. Looking at me with these Beautiful judgmental eyes. And I spent several days thinking, how could... It wasn´t about wanting to be Loved by her. It was about... how could I make her happy. She reminds me of me, yet compared to her I am completely nothing. The idea... that I would be this endless void of patheticness and stupidity started to scare me.
Deep down, I feel like I am nothing. Like I am harmful to everyone around me. In a novel I am writing I assigned my self-insert character to the conception of death, clumsy, unfocused, unpredictable... Cute, welcoming, yet gravely dangerous and out of control. A part of me that represents desecration, apathy and sheer and utter unconditional worthlessness.
And the pride and judgement in her eyes, made me want to kill this part of myself. I don´t want anyone to get hurt, I don´t want anyone to be devalued. I want her to be proud, I want her to be strong. I don´t want to disappoint her.
So I knew I don´t deserve her. But I can´t be dependant on her approval. She isn´t dependant on anyone´s approval. She´s better than me in every way and that´s why I had a crush on her. And I wanted to become her equal. If not to be in a relationship with her, then to at least restore her faith in humanity.




Oh yeah and this next part is kind of scary, so I apologise for that. I actually don´t know her much. I only hear about her and I saw her few times. And I was telling myself like ,,C´mon, you don´t even know her you can´t like her like that." but before you know it I can´t stop thinking about her. I am sorry I am talking about her so much, it´s so creepy to think that there are other people like me. She doesn´t deserve any of this attention, I don´t know what is wrong with me. Obsessively thinking about someone I barely know, dude, it´s terrifying. So I would never even think to resent her for anything xD In truth I probably don´t even like her, as you said, probably just a false image of her, based in what I already know about her. But still my Love for her has been torturing me for days, so this is a Good model to explore my feelings with. So this is basically, just an exploration of my feelings towards a general Love interest.
So basically yes, I guess I am projecting a fantasy onto this girl. Poor her, nontheless my point still stands.
I want to be better than everyone else. Exclusively, so whatever it is that she´d want I´d give it to her. Because... I guess I wrote ,,I want to give her more" because I was thinking of all the wives that live with a husband who can offer them security but... not much else. You see... it always bothered me whenever I saw a girl with some duchebag. I know this is a very stereotypical situation but just because people like that are mocked and being marked as jealous doesn´t mean I am not gonna be true to myself. I believe that some husbands are idiots and I can do way better than them. I believe that money, security and agressive dominant attitude is not enough. It may be the acceptable minimum but it´s not enough. And it´s not because I want to feel special, really. I already know I am special, I don´t need proof for that. It´s because I want the girl´s hopes and dreams to be respected. I want her to feel special as well. I don´t want her to settle down for an idiot just because he´s the only option.
And I am not looking to disrespect any guys. I am not even forcing anything onto any girl. I am just gonna be over here, doing my own thing, if you like it come along.
If you want to be mysoginistic high meintenence cattle, if that´s your romantic fantasy then go on ahead, I don´t care.
And I know I am projecting all this on everyone, maybe they are happy in which case, fine. I even got depressed for a while over the possibility that maybe she isn´t as Awesome as I think. What if I really like her only because she is better than me, as I mentioned earlier ? And what if I become better than her ? Then... she´s gonna be acting like me ? Will she be desperate for my approval ? Will I stop admiring her (Yeah this is basically gonna get disproven later on in this post) ? What if she isn´t better than me and I actually just hallucinated.
That´s when it came back to unconditional self Love. What I find attractive and what I have been thought is that I as a person and everyone else is entitled to status, riches and Love, You just gotta prove that You are.

Maybe she even does care about the approval of others :O That would be a turn off... kinda... n-not really.


The reaction she had to me wasn´t what made me have a crush on her. Her reaction simply made me happy because I think she deserves to be excited and happy. Her smile was the answer to my internal suffering. Cause I was worried sick for her.
What actually did make me have a crush on her immediatelly, was that she reminded me of myself. That stubborn, proud, judgemental attitude. And I wanted her to feel as Loved as I do, because if I get to feel this way, she deserves it, too. ESPECIALLY, if she´s exactly like me... sigh... I guess I really have high narcisstic tendencies.

I will tell you this, I Love every girl. It´s just that I´d Love this one a little more because she is like me or better than me. But I don´t deserve her for that exact reason. So who am I to set the conditions ? Maybe I do wish I could Love this one in particular but who am I to decide ?

Or maybe... maybe my Love even offends them. Maybe they think they don´t deserve to be Loved for the way they are and that they can do better. Well in that case, that´s the end for me. Cause I can´t compare to whatever it is that they want to become.
My Love in this case... would once again... become a representation of death. Death of potential. Sometimes conditional Love is necessary for growth, right ? Well I don´t believe I can grow.
That´s why I was with my narcisstic girlfriend(yeah, I wrote a long paragraph about her but I... can´t find it ?), she was with me because of how pathetic I was. And I was with her because I just drag everyone else down. If she was capable of growth, I wouldn´t dare to slow her down but she isn´t... just like me.
Despite everything, I Love myself and I want everyone to feel the same way about themselves as I do.
I have one condition. I gotta be able to make you happy. That´s all. Fat, skinny, old, ugly... well not stupid, I don´t appreciate stupid girls, so I guess that´s a condition but that´s just because I can´t stand being around a person who reminds me of my deepest flaw, and I would probably even Love a man just fine. I can show them Love. Cause who the f*ck am I to make conditions ?
I do actually have kind of a hero complex when it comes to... well actually everyone. I act feminine around guys, so that they feel needed and valued and I act masculine around girls so that they feel wanted and valued. (Which is why I was in a relationship with a narcisst. I could feel that she feels unworthy and I wanted to make her happy, though that was soon to be found out as an impossible task. I find it very tragic. Seriously, where is the paragraph I wrote about her, it was so good and it made so many points. The main point being ,,I was dating a narcisst which means that basically my Love is nearly unconditional because of my Hero complex. (I mean she w- No I won´t repeat myself, that paragraph was somewhere here now it isn´t here)) It´s really easy for me to gain respect from men but not so easy with women.
You confused me, you made me think that my Love is conditional actually and it took several looooong conflicting paragraphs to figure out that actually it isn´t.
But it´s funny how I got to that conclusion. Because I myself am the condition. If you demand something I am not capable of, then you can´t date me. I will not do anything I can´t do. So that narows it down. So I dunno, is it conditional, is it not conditional ?
I lack standards.
And as far as sexual attraction goes. I am already sexually attracted to myself so. And the fact that I am better looking than someone turns me on, anyway.
I guess only conditions would be don´t be a freak and don´t harm me ? And I have to know you well and for a longer time, so that, too.

[TLDR: Some people are offended by unconditional Love. And I as hell am not capable not entitled to have conditional Love]


Yeah, I believe I am nothing, yet I Love myself fiercly. If you are better than me and willing to settle for me, then I´ll be happy. If none wants you and I can be your savior, sure. I admit I have a massive narcissm in me. It´s... it´s kind of sad actually. I am so extremely self-absorbed it´s alarming, actually. If I could f*ck myself, I would. Ha ha, why does this joke resonate with me so much. Yeah i-it´s not a joke. I am so hot it´s making me depressed. Y´know, I am all I need, I never really had any friends and when I did I would only see them like once a month. My Best friend is me.
That´s why my Love is unconditional. You just gotta find the right approach.

Wait... I DIDN´T EVEN SAY that my romantic Love is unconditional, in my original post. I said that everyone deserves a fair share of unconditional Love. And yet I made two blocks of text about how it is !
Wow, the things You make me say.
But as it turns out, it mostly is.

W-why am I saying all this, again ? Y-you didn´t ask, did you ?



And also, despite all this, I want to improve the Best I can. I never said anywhere that I don´t xD (I said it several times throughout this and that post but just to make it clear)

Whats really ironic is the stuff u said and your thinking process is exactly how a lot of red pillers and incels became red pillers and incels, you still don't seem to understand just the amount of control and limerence you're exhibiting. Putting that chick on a pedestal, looking up to her, bashing down your competitors (fellow men) and deciding on your own how great or how much you're willing to do for her, living your entire life for her and all that jazz is exactly what women don't want.

You're gonna replay that shit in your head over and over and to many women and you're gonna get rejected for that mentality which will in turn cause u to write more of these posts of wtf is going on? Why isn't this working? Then bash other men more who has absolutely nothing to do with your interactions with women you're limerencing about so you become isolated from both sides.

You need to chill, work out what you want to do with your life thats adding value to society, work on it and be passionate about it, become someone who is respected and valued by everyone, not just women but society in general and then you'll be more attractive to everyone, not just women.

It's also funny that you kinda answered your own questions i.e I see her as such a perfect specimen but her judgemental eyes scorns me coz I'm nothing, well u already know this then why are u directing your anger at red pill? Wtf does red pill got to do with her judging you for lacking value? (I know she didn't say this but your logic or assumption is this so I'm thinking from your perspective now and I'm seeing you just using Red Pill as a scapegoat to blame all your non-achievements on)

 

[ENFPathetic]

Wow, okay. Well, I never said it´s a bad thing, I said that ,,I" don´t care about it. If I acquire competence I will do it for other people. It will never matter to me, or at least I think it won´t. I am not entitled to be praised for it, I don´t care to be praised for it. I have no interest in it being a part of my ego. I will tell you this, actually, y´know... working... putting effort into something, always felt humiliating to me. And getting praised for wasting my time, even more. So what I wrote is the result of that. There´s nothing wrong with it but I will keep it as far away from my ego as possible. So the reason, why I keep bringing up this point so much, is because to be Loved for THAT is not Cool. If... I work my a*s to aquire status, money, all this s*it. It really says more about the worth of the people I do it for, than about my worth. Because I don´t want that s*it to have anything to do with me. And if someone´s gonna act like I did it for myself, well Imma get mad. I don´t care about how competent I am, weather it is not at all or a lot.
I dunno I just can´t bring myself to care, I just can´t.
Either I am qualified for something or I am not, there´s nothing more to it. If you start connecting your self-worth to it, it will only lead to arrogance, entitlement and resentment. And even if it didn´t, I honestly, really, truly just don´t care.
You know, my social circle does not respect me. Precisely for this reason. But there were instances where I actually managed to impress them by something and the immediate switch in their attitude towards me made me just disappointed in them.
And I don´t know what did I do to deserve such an agressive response to be honest, you see this is exactly why I keep quiet for the majority of time. Because whatever it is that I did I would do again and I would certainly not expect a reaction like that from it. So y´know, enlighten me if you wanna. I haven´t really had a conversation with anyone but my narcisstic ex-girlfriend in 4 years so if this is some kind of a rule. Like, I get I didn´t answer your question. But what did I do for you to call me a flippant brat ? Maybe I am a filppant brat, I dunno.

You ever heard this song before?

You're young so you've probably only experienced the random crush like kind of love that requires zero effort and eventually fades as randomly as it appeared.

The kind of love that can sustain a long term relationship is hard work. It takes consistently doing things to make your woman's life easier to stay in love with her.

Listen to the words of the chorus. "lovin' you.. is easy cause you're beautiful". This is indeed true. The more beautiful you are, the easier it is to love you. And we already talked about how love is about making the lives of the people you love easier. Well, when it comes to your partner in particular, what could make her life easier than making what is normally hard work(staying in love), easy, by simply taking care of your appearance.

That's where competence comes into the picture. It's also easier to love someone who is competent. Sharing your life with a competent partner gives you confidence and makes life easier. Same thing with kindness. A kind person is easier to love. And so on.

Love is a two way street. And just as it's hard work on your end to stay in love with your woman, it's hard work for her to stay in love with you. And if you really care about the bond you share, then why play stupid and pretend this shit doesn't matter when it clearly does? Accept it. And don't be insecure about it. She will love you for who you are. And your looks, manners, and competence will make her role as your lover a lot easier.

The end goal is to enjoy life together right?

 

[lordDandas]

Whats really ironic is the stuff u said and your thinking process is exactly how a lot of red pillers and incels became red pillers and incels, you still don't seem to understand just the amount of control and limerence you're exhibiting. Putting that chick on a pedestal, looking up to her, bashing down your competitors (fellow men) and deciding on your own how great or how much you're willing to do for her, living your entire life for her and all that jazz is exactly what women don't want.

You're gonna replay that shit in your head over and over and to many women and you're gonna get rejected for that mentality which will in turn cause u to write more of these posts of wtf is going on? Why isn't this working? Then bash other men more who has absolutely nothing to do with your interactions with women you're limerencing about so you become isolated from both sides.

You need to chill, work out what you want to do with your life thats adding value to society, work on it and be passionate about it, become someone who is respected and valued by everyone, not just women but society in general and then you'll be more attractive to everyone, not just women.

It's also funny that you kinda answered your own questions i.e I see her as such a perfect specimen but her judgemental eyes scorns me coz I'm nothing, well u already know this then why are u directing your anger at red pill? Wtf does red pill got to do with her judging you for lacking value? (I know she didn't say this but your logic or assumption is this so I'm thinking from your perspective now and I'm seeing you just using Red Pill as a scapegoat to blame all your non-achievements on)

Yeah, that´s exactly why I made this post. To know where I´m wrong.
But you´re getting unreasonably angry because I am not doing any of those things you are accusing me here of. Just to let you know, none of the feelings I described here, I ever acted upon.
I didn´t get rejected and even if I would I would not be angry about it in the slightest. I guess I should´ve put a trigger warning on this ?

It's also funny that you kinda answered your own questions i.e I see her as such a perfect specimen but her judgemental eyes scorns me coz I'm nothing, well u already know this then why are u directing your anger at red pill? Wtf does red pill got to do with her judging you for lacking value?

Well yes I did answer my own question. I Love that judgement because it is truthful, when did I ever say I am angry at her ? I wrote that I look up to her and I want to become her equal. I said that I would want to make her happy. And I guess I didn´t stress it enough... but I do find the fact that I am obsessing over her so much inherently disgusting.
Dude, you have no idea how much she would hate me for whatever I wrote there ? It´s disgusting, creepy and obsessive.
Sorry I guess I just lack a filter !
The entirety of the posts I made had one theme in common ,,Unconditional Love" ,,Not caring about validation" so why would you assume I would get angry if a girl judged me ? The whole point of that part was to demonstrate that I, personally, don´t care that she thinks I am nothing. It won´t make me angry at her, it won´t make me spiteful, it won´t make me resentful. Because her judgement, to me, is just her opinion.
Okay she doesn´t like me, message recieved. I am glad she is truthful. If I ever want to date her, I will become better. But it´s HER opinion. HER business. Not mine.

The reason why I don´t look up to other men is because they take female judgement way too seriously. And it makes them in my eyes look pathetic.

I don´t dislike redpill because ,,I think it prevents me from getting a p*sy". I dislike redpill because I don´t agree with it´s values, pure and simple.

Putting that chick on a pedestal, looking up to her, bashing down your competitors (fellow men) and deciding on your own how great or how much you're willing to do for her, living your entire life for her and all that jazz is exactly what women don't want.

I will just keep it simple. If she doesn´t want it, then I don´t want her. AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT OUT OF SPITE. I am merely stating facts. I obsess over people and I want to be obsessed over, if they don´t wanna, it´s their own business.

You're gonna replay that shit in your head over and over and to many women and you're gonna get rejected for that mentality which will in turn cause u to write more of these posts of wtf is going on? Why isn't this working? Then bash other men more who has absolutely nothing to do with your interactions with women you're limerencing about so you become isolated from both sides.

I don´t bash other men because I am mad that my interactions with women are not working. I don´t dislike men because they are my competitors. I dislike them because I just do. And I dislike the women that like them as well. And it´s fine... You can be into whatever you want... I am happy you´re happy. I just don´t like it.
Yes, I sort of "bash" them. I openly dispise them. But not because they´re competitors. Just because I generally and geniuenly don´t like them.

You asked about why I ask for validation when I said I don´t need validation. It´s not as much about external validation as it is about knowing if other people are fine with it. I wanted to know weather what I feel is fine with other people and can work in practice. If what you´re saying is true, then it can´t work in practice. In that case, I will not act upon these feelings and give up on women.
I said I wanna make that girl happy. If I can´t make that girl happy then I won´t do anything.
I don´t care for external validation.
You can come here and tell me that everything I feel is wrong. Every woman on this planet can reject me and spit into my face. I don´t care even a bit. Again, It´s not as much about external validation as it is about knowing if other people are fine with it. If they´re not, then whatever.
Cause... I wanna make it clear, I care about other people. I maybe don´t care about what they think of me but I care about them. If anything I feel could be harmful to that girl, I am keeping it to myself. I will live my entire life in isolation if it means it´s gonna keep other people from harm. And I don´t resent anyone.

Dude I am disgusting, I know ! I will not bother anyone with it but I won´t feel bad about it either.


External validation is to know weather what I feel is acceptable and practical, to You. If it isn´t, then I simply won´t hang out around you. So that validation isn´t really for me, it is just to make sure that other people are willing to put up with me.

(I know she didn't say this but your logic or assumption is this so I'm thinking from your perspective now and I'm seeing you just using Red Pill as a scapegoat to blame all your non-achievements on)

I don´t blame my failings on none but myself.

There is only one reason why I actually dislike redpill. It made me act like a complete clown around women for like about a week because it made me feel like my worth depends on them. I was actually close to acting the way you described.
And I don´t like it because I see redpill as inherently selfish from the perspective of women.
This is why I don´t respect guys who take female judgement so seriously. Some girl just comes along and completely annhiliates your self-worth because her p*sy wasn´t wet. Is that what I´m supposed to be looking up to ? If that girl wanted she would play these guys like a fiddle.
Do you know why I look up to that girl ? It´s because she doesn´t give a s*it about what I think of her. So why should I give a f*ck about what she thinks of me ? Women, unlike all of those incels, have a spine. Or maybe they don´t maybe I am just projecting again but that´s besides the point.

That´s why I look up to her. Because she isn´t crying over in a corner being sorry for her existence like everyone else.

I will just say it like this. I want to have a spine. I disagree with the values of redpill on a fundemental level. I disagree with what men value. And I disagree with what women who like those men value.
And from the way I am seeing things. It looks like almost every men I know also disagrees with those values, yet they conform to them. Yet they act like redpill is their bible. Yet, they base their entire self-worth on it. That´s what I dislike.
Sorry for being so unhinged, it is late and I am kind of rushing it.


So THE ENTIRE POINT OF MY POST WAS: MEN, HAVE SOME SELF WORTH. Your feelings are valid.
I will say this... I think redpill values are unreasonable and stupid, that doesn´t mean I am gonna hate girls for having them. But you can´t magically make me think to myself ,,Oh yeaaah, muscles, money, status, that´s all that matters." sure TO YOU and what are YOU to tell ME what I should value about myself ?

So in case, I still seem like a bad person, or creepy, or whatever. I just wanna say... If the entire world thinks I am wrong, I will bury myself somewhere and we´ll all be Cool, okay ?
If you disagree me, if my crush disagrees with me, I will stay the f*ck out of your life.

[TLDR: Look, if non of this was still enough to convince you that you´re wrong about me. I will just repeat this again. I care about people, I would never do something that would hurt them physically and psychically. I wasn´t rejected by anyone, nor did I make anyone uncomfortable. I don´t blame anyone for my failings. And I am not entitled to anyone´s affection. Okay ?]

 

[ENTJudgement]

Yeah, that´s exactly why I made this post. To know where I´m wrong.
But you´re getting unreasonably angry because I am not doing any of those things you are accusing me here of. Just to let you know, none of the feelings I described here, I ever acted upon.
I didn´t get rejected and even if I would I would not be angry about it in the slightest. I guess I should´ve put a trigger warning on this ?

You're the one who was "unreasonable angry" also why are you trying to focusing on tone and not the content? Waste of time.

Well yes I did answer my own question. I Love that judgement because it is truthful, when did I ever say I am angry at her ? I wrote that I look up to her and I want to become her equal. I said that I would want to make her happy. And I guess I didn´t stress it enough... but I do find the fact that I am obsessing over her so much inherently disgusting.
Dude, you have no idea how much she would hate me for whatever I wrote there ? It´s disgusting, creepy and obsessive.
Sorry I guess I just lack a filter !
The entirety of the posts I made had one theme in common ,,Unconditional Love" ,,Not caring about validation" so why would you assume I would get angry if a girl judged me ? The whole point of that part was to demonstrate that I, personally, don´t care that she thinks I am nothing. It won´t make me angry at her, it won´t make me spiteful, it won´t make me resentful. Because her judgement, to me, is just her opinion.
Okay she doesn´t like me, message recieved. I am glad she is truthful. If I ever want to date her, I will become better. But it´s HER opinion. HER business. Not mine.

I didn't really see any "unconditional love" from your posts, all I saw was you complaining about how men need to provide value to society to be deemed to have worth. Like if you can convince society that men are just high value from doing nothing then go ahead, I'll certainly benefit from that lol.

The reason why I don´t look up to other men is because they take female judgement way too seriously. And it makes them in my eyes look pathetic.

I don´t dislike redpill because ,,I think it prevents me from getting a p*sy". I dislike redpill because I don´t agree with it´s values, pure and simple.

Ok so what have u done to make yourself look great? You're 18 and keyboard warrioring on a forum trying to convince people that people don't need to contribute or do anything to be seen as higher value in anyway then what differentiates a great man from a low value man? According to you, the low value man is simply low value coz he had to work to prove that he was of higher value right? Look at all the men society has deemed to be "great" every single one of them have accomplished some very difficult and big goals, they essentially manifested or realized the dreams of many into the world and created change on a global scale, thats why they were deemed "high value" they accomplished their goals and their dreams, the accomplishment IS what differentiates a boy from a man, any person can dream, not everyone can make that dream a reality.

Now if a man changed the world for the better, who cares what his initial motivation was? The outcome is society all benefited from his achievements and thus a man who achieved greatness and society benefited from that greatness is always going to be seen as more "valuable" than a man who didn't need any external validation but didn't do anything coz the outcome is the first guy achieved and contributed, while the latter did not.

I will just keep it simple. If she doesn´t want it, then I don´t want her. AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT OUT OF SPITE. I am merely stating facts. I obsess over people and I want to be obsessed over, if they don´t wanna, it´s their own business.

Ok, fair enough.

I don´t bash other men because I am mad that my interactions with women are not working. I don´t dislike men because they are my competitors. I dislike them because I just do. And I dislike the women that like them as well. And it´s fine... You can be into whatever you want... I am happy you´re happy. I just don´t like it.
Yes, I sort of "bash" them. I openly dispise them. But not because they´re competitors. Just because I generally and geniuenly don´t like them.

Lol ok u can dislike whoever u want I guess but everyone who u disliked is probably gonna dislike u as well, a lot of bridges were burnt for no apparent reason besides u just "disliking" them. Your life, do w/e the fk u want lol.

You asked about why I ask for validation when I said I don´t need validation. It´s not as much about external validation as it is about knowing if other people are fine with it. I wanted to know weather what I feel is fine with other people and can work in practice. If what you´re saying is true, then it can´t work in practice. In that case, I will not act upon these feelings and give up on women.
I said I wanna make that girl happy. If I can´t make that girl happy then I won´t do anything.
I don´t care for external validation.
You can come here and tell me that everything I feel is wrong. Every woman on this planet can reject me and spit into my face. I don´t care even a bit. Again, It´s not as much about external validation as it is about knowing if other people are fine with it. If they´re not, then whatever.
Cause... I wanna make it clear, I care about other people. I maybe don´t care about what they think of me but I care about them. If anything I feel could be harmful to that girl, I am keeping it to myself. I will live my entire life in isolation if it means it´s gonna keep other people from harm. And I don´t resent anyone.

On one hand u say u dislike so many people and on the other hand u say u care about them, are you trying to say you care about only the people u like or are u saying u care about all the people u dislike despite disliking them?

Dude I am disgusting, I know ! I will not bother anyone with it but I won´t feel bad about it either.

External validation is to know weather what I feel is acceptable and practical, to You. If it isn´t, then I simply won´t hang out around you. So that validation isn´t really for me, it is just to make sure that other people are willing to put up with me.

I don´t blame my failings on none but myself.

Well I don't pick my friends based on where they are in their careers, like I have friends who are on welfare and don't contribute at all, they're the type who girls say "still lives in his mom's basement" but it doesn't mean he can't be fun to be around, on the other hand I also have doctors, lawyers, business men who are very successful and are have gone quite far in life, they can also be fun to be around.

If you ask me, which group of friends do I think are better for society or some sort of moral/principle question then I'd say the second group coz they're contributing, providing services or products to society which are needed but that doesn't mean I can't have fun with the first group.

But your questions weren't really about whether other men can be friends with you, you just started saying how you find X and Y groups of men disgusting for thinking they need to contribute or provide worth to society to be deemed worthy, only now have I connected what you mean together.

There is only one reason why I actually dislike redpill. It made me act like a complete clown around women for like about a week because it made me feel like my worth depends on them. I was actually close to acting the way you described.
And I don´t like it because I see redpill as inherently selfish from the perspective of women.
This is why I don´t respect guys who take female judgement so seriously. Some girl just comes along and completely annhiliates your self-worth because her p*sy wasn´t wet. Is that what I´m supposed to be looking up to ? If that girl wanted she would play these guys like a fiddle.
Do you know why I look up to that girl ? It´s because she doesn´t give a s*it about what I think of her. So why should I give a f*ck about what she thinks of me ? Women, unlike all of those incels, have a spine. Or maybe they don´t maybe I am just projecting again but that´s besides the point.

I think you seriously misunderstood the red pill doctrine, I'm not defending them I'm just relaying their message as I understood it, their message is actually telling you that you should go your own way as in, stop caring about what women think of you or anything pertaining to women, focus on your own life instead. That IS ironically what you're wanting to do but you somehow convoluted red pill to BLUE PILL which is to seek women's validation.

That´s why I look up to her. Because she isn´t crying over in a corner being sorry for her existence like everyone else.

I will just say it like this. I want to have a spine. I disagree with the values of redpill on a fundemental level. I disagree with what men value. And I disagree with what women who like those men value.
And from the way I am seeing things. It looks like almost every men I know also disagrees with those values, yet they conform to them. Yet they act like redpill is their bible. Yet, they base their entire self-worth on it. That´s what I dislike.
Sorry for being so unhinged, it is late and I am kind of rushing it.

Having a spine is having the balls to go after your goals and successfully achieve them against all odds, are you saying that a husband with wife and kids is wrong for working extra hours for his family? Think about it, having some external reason beyond yourself isn't the issue, having NO sense of self is the issue, I believe it's important to have both external and self values, if you only have your own values, you might have trouble getting along with others and if you have no sense of self then you become a martyr, you need to balance it.

Fi doms in particular has too much sense of self, the main reason why you think like this is probably because your other functions, your inferior Te in particular hasn't developed yet, come back in 10-20 years and you'll understand.

So THE ENTIRE POINT OF MY POST WAS: MEN, HAVE SOME SELF WORTH. Your feelings are valid.
I will say this... I think redpill values are unreasonable and stupid, that doesn´t mean I am gonna hate girls for having them. But you can´t magically make me think to myself ,,Oh yeaaah, muscles, money, status, that´s all that matters." sure TO YOU and what are YOU to tell ME what I should value about myself ?

So in case, I still seem like a bad person, or creepy, or whatever. I just wanna say... If the entire world thinks I am wrong, I will bury myself somewhere and we´ll all be Cool, okay ?
If you disagree me, if my crush disagrees with me, I will stay the f*ck out of your life.

[TLDR: Look, if non of this was still enough to convince you that you´re wrong about me. I will just repeat this again. I care about people, I would never do something that would hurt them physically and psychically. I wasn´t rejected by anyone, nor did I make anyone uncomfortable. I don´t blame anyone for my failings. And I am not entitled to anyone´s affection. Okay ?]

I'm pretty sure you're strawmanning here and over simplifying everything to try sound more correct than you actually are, the underlying theme is really;

How should someone perceive value in someone else? It normally stems from what someone has done or achieved, you're challenging this and saying how one feels is just as valid? Well if everyone stopped achieving/working and just used feelings everyday then who is going to go out and do the work? You need a balance of both as I said before, all types have a T function in their Ego and a F function. T function is realizing that theres a series of problems you need to solve to stay alive and have a reasonable living environment, this is tied to achievements/work and the F function is about how you feel, morals, principles, values to stop people from over rationalizing and just killing everyone else to get the desired outcome for instance. They are equally important for society.

Red Pill as I've explained above is about going your own way as in, stop caring about what women think of you or anything pertaining to women, focus on your own life instead. It's just that a lot of Red Pillers talk on social media about other shit thats outside of the core doctrine of Red Pill and people forget that Red Pill was originally "Men going their own way", ironically, you are a man going your own way so you're actually aligned with the red pill from it's original foundings lol

 

[lordDandas]

You ever heard this song before?

You're young so you've probably only experienced the random crush like kind of love that requires zero effort and eventually fades as randomly as it appeared.

The kind of love that can sustain a long term relationship is hard work. It takes consistently doing things to make your woman's life easier to stay in love with her.

Listen to the words of the chorus. "lovin' you.. is easy cause you're beautiful". This is indeed true. The more beautiful you are, the easier it is to love you. And we already talked about how love is about making the lives of the people you love easier. Well, when it comes to your partner in particular, what could make her life easier than making what is normally hard work(staying in love), easy, by simply taking care of your appearance.

That's where competence comes into the picture. It's also easier to love someone who is competent. Sharing your life with a competent partner gives you confidence and makes life easier. Same thing with kindness. A kind person is easier to love. And so on.

Love is a two way street. And just as it's hard work on your end to stay in love with your woman, it's hard work for her to stay in love with you. And if you really care about the bond you share, then why play stupid and pretend this shit doesn't matter when it clearly does? Accept it. And don't be insecure about it. She will love you for who you are. And your looks, manners, and competence will make her role as your lover a lot easier.

The end goal is to enjoy life together right?

You called me a brat for no reason. You see, you think that my "unconditional self/love" is an excuse to be incompetent. Well it isn't. It is actually a value I believe in. It is a value I am willing to fight to protect. The right to be Loved and valued stripped of all the materialistic bulls*it.
I am not pretending like that s*it doesn't matter but it has hell does not matter to me.
It´s not about aquiring worth by status and competence, it´s about living up to the worth that was always there !
The actual reason why I am incompetent is because none ever held me to any standard and didn't care nor rewarded my efforts. But that's about to change very soon.

Do you know what I fall in Love with in people ? Basically their narcissim. I LOVE myself. And I want everyone, except for a*sholes and people with values that inherently contradict that desire, to Love themselves as well. The less you give a s*it about what others think of you, the more I am gonna be attracted for you. I am entitled to everything and I want them to be entitled to everything as well. I want everyone to get what they want, except for bullies and butthurt arrogant morons.
And that is my core value. It is not an excuse to not work, or to not be competent. It is the reason I am gonna become competent. So that people feel Good about themselves for hanging out with me. And so that I can put arrogant a*sholes in their place more effectively.

Do you really think I would force a girl I Love to be in a relationship with an incompetent idiot ? Of course not but if I ever aquire a valuable status, it will be for her. She will have a husband that makes her look better in front of everyone, she will have a husband that makes a lot of money, a husband she can be proud of.
It's for her. I don't need any of that s*it for my self worth. Every piece of work I will ever do, I will do for others. Not to prove anything to myself.
If you love me for my strenght, competence and status, I stand by it that you don't love me, you love yourself. And that's alright but don't bulls*it me about it.
,, We make life easier for those we Love." well that is not my definition of Love. I try to make life more meaningful for those I Love, first and foremost. But... I actually aspire to have people be obsessed with me so don´t worry, I will make it easy. But I will do all that because I believe that the people who Love me deserve the Best ME I can be ! I believe I deserve to be Loved, I believe I that everyone, including me, deserves the best, all they gotta do is prove that they do.
I even said it ,,In a world where people believe in unconditional Love the most important thing are other people." and the opposite is self evident. The opposite world would be pointless, lacking in meaning.

And that's another thing, you say each of us has to make their part to make themselves more Lovable. None I know ever had to try to make themselves more Lovable for me and I would never ask it of them. After all this, I still feel like my Love is mostly unconditional, which in itself can make me unattractive.
There is only one condition... Don't be a d*ck.


And now, what the f*ck ? You are exactly the type of person I despise. You called me a brat. Why ? You have broken the single most important condition I have and that's you insulted me, while unprovoked, while you don't even know me. You lost all my respect there.
What is wrong with you for treating people like that ? How did you even want me to react ?
Competence to me is the means to shut down agressive people like you. The only reason why I still care about your opinion is cause you're older, and I have no idea what did I do to drive an adult to act like that ?
I am the brat here, really ? No, I sincirely don't think so.

If you believe yourself to be worthless without your status... Then hell, you deserve everything that mentality brings you. Your mentality seems like hell, I don´t even have to hate you, you already hate yourself well enough.
I am not letting you drag me down with you.


I am not good enough for anyone but that doesn´t mean I am gonna let people bash me for it. I still can´t get over the fact that you called me a brat. Yeah, okay... I am sorry for my existence, okay ? You are right, I should hate myself until I get all the things that I don´t have. And then I should yell at people who don´t have it and at people who aren´t impressed at the fact that I have it. Do I not deserve basic self-respect ? Alright, insult me insult me insult me, bring it oooooooooooooon ! Let´s see how productive I am gonna become. WoW I can already feel how I´m turning into a better person. Wow, I totally don´t hate everyone right now, not at all.
Yeah, I am totally not gonna take short-cuts, act arrogant and play pretend to upkeep my so very conditional self-worth. Absolutely nooot. I will work hard to repay you the Love you gave me. You know what, one of my big dreams that I have right now, is to call you a brat one day. And actually have the moral high-ground in that situation, I wanna become a man that is capable of doing that.
I still don´t get what is wrong with having a basic self-worth, entitlement to love and to not hate yourself even if you´re not at your Best right now ?


I want to improve in every way I can. Whoever is gonna be my wife is gonna have the Best husband in the world, in her eyes. But... I´d like to get there motivated by Love, not by a petty need to validation. I will improve because I Love myself and the people around me who don´t treat me like s*it. If that´s not enough, then I am disappointed. But I am open minded, sure, hurt me, objectify my feelings all you want. Let´s see where that´ll take us. Maybe it´s just gonna make me more motivated to shut down every disrespectful a*shole in my life.
All you did, is make me a little more resentful of basically everyone I know so today I had to work a little harder to hide my spiteful glare, towards people that don´t deserve it. That glare should be aimed at you, for making me doubt myself and act like an idiot once again.
Really... calling me a brat. There are two outcomes to this. Either I won´t care and I´ll pity you for having the need to be agressive. Or, I will step up my game by a long shot and make sure that next time someone tries this on me it won´t work.
Really I had nothing but everyone´s Best interest inmind when I wrote this. And you come along and call me a brat. Well enjoy your bullying while you can... I still don´t know if hurting me can improve the lives of my Loved ones better than Loving me. But once I find out, non of this s*it is gonna work on me anymore. Once I prove that I and everything I believe is of actual use to other people, then all my respect for you is gonna fall below zero.
But you know what... I wanna settle this... I don´t know what I did wrong but I am sincirely sorry for acting like a brat. Whatever it was.
I came here to see weather my believes can work in practice. According to you, they can´t. And you call me a brat while I come here to ask for validation, which is something I don´t do very often. You are a bully. It´s so easy to call someone like me a brat. And I wouldn´t even mind if I actually did something to you to deserve it.
I guess you deserve my respect but not my admiration.
R-really. What else did you hope to achieve ?

So I hope that concludes everything I wanted to say.

(And yeah of course, I am still young so I am not gonna work THAT hard, I mean not existencially hard like but that doesn´t mean I am not gonna work at all !)

 

[lordDandas]

You're the one who was "unreasonable angry" also why are you trying to focusing on tone and not the content? Waste of time.


I didn't really see any "unconditional love" from your posts, all I saw was you complaining about how men need to provide value to society to be deemed to have worth. Like if you can convince society that men are just high value from doing nothing then go ahead, I'll certainly benefit from that lol.



Now if a man changed the world for the better, who cares what his initial motivation was? The outcome is society all benefited from his achievements and thus a man who achieved greatness and society benefited from that greatness is always going to be seen as more "valuable" than a man who didn't need any external validation but didn't do anything coz the outcome is the first guy achieved and contributed, while the latter did not.


Ok, fair enough.


Lol ok u can dislike whoever u want I guess but everyone who u disliked is probably gonna dislike u as well, a lot of bridges were burnt for no apparent reason besides u just "disliking" them. Your life, do w/e the fk u want lol.


On one hand u say u dislike so many people and on the other hand u say u care about them, are you trying to say you care about only the people u like or are u saying u care about all the people u dislike despite disliking them?


Well I don't pick my friends based on where they are in their careers, like I have friends who are on welfare and don't contribute at all, they're the type who girls say "still lives in his mom's basement" but it doesn't mean he can't be fun to be around, on the other hand I also have doctors, lawyers, business men who are very successful and are have gone quite far in life, they can also be fun to be around.

If you ask me, which group of friends do I think are better for society or some sort of moral/principle question then I'd say the second group coz they're contributing, providing services or products to society which are needed but that doesn't mean I can't have fun with the first group.

But your questions weren't really about whether other men can be friends with you, you just started saying how you find X and Y groups of men disgusting for thinking they need to contribute or provide worth to society to be deemed worthy, only now have I connected what you mean together.


I think you seriously misunderstood the red pill doctrine, I'm not defending them I'm just relaying their message as I understood it, their message is actually telling you that you should go your own way as in, stop caring about what women think of you or anything pertaining to women, focus on your own life instead. That IS ironically what you're wanting to do but you somehow convoluted red pill to BLUE PILL which is to seek women's validation.


Having a spine is having the balls to go after your goals and successfully achieve them against all odds, are you saying that a husband with wife and kids is wrong for working extra hours for his family? Think about it, having some external reason beyond yourself isn't the issue, having NO sense of self is the issue, I believe it's important to have both external and self values, if you only have your own values, you might have trouble getting along with others and if you have no sense of self then you become a martyr, you need to balance it.

Fi doms in particular has too much sense of self, the main reason why you think like this is probably because your other functions, your inferior Te in particular hasn't developed yet, come back in 10-20 years and you'll understand.


I'm pretty sure you're strawmanning here and over simplifying everything to try sound more correct than you actually are, the underlying theme is really;

How should someone perceive value in someone else? It normally stems from what someone has done or achieved, you're challenging this and saying how one feels is just as valid? Well if everyone stopped achieving/working and just used feelings everyday then who is going to go out and do the work? You need a balance of both as I said before, all types have a T function in their Ego and a F function. T function is realizing that theres a series of problems you need to solve to stay alive and have a reasonable living environment, this is tied to achievements/work and the F function is about how you feel, morals, principles, values to stop people from over rationalizing and just killing everyone else to get the desired outcome for instance. They are equally important for society.

Red Pill as I've explained above is about going your own way as in, stop caring about what women think of you or anything pertaining to women, focus on your own life instead. It's just that a lot of Red Pillers talk on social media about other shit thats outside of the core doctrine of Red Pill and people forget that Red Pill was originally "Men going their own way", ironically, you are a man going your own way so you're actually aligned with the red pill from it's original foundings lol

You're the one who was "unreasonable angry" also why are you trying to focusing on tone and not the content? Waste of time.

Okay sorry, Imma calm down and oh yeah I´ll look into that, too.

I didn't really see any "unconditional love" from your posts, all I saw was you complaining about how men need to provide value to society to be deemed to have worth. Like if you can convince society that men are just high value from doing nothing then go ahead, I'll certainly benefit from that lol.

Yeah, it actually has like one or two conditions... Main one being ,,Don´t be an opressive agressive d*ck" second one being ,,Don´t believe in stuff that supports the former."
If you´re gonna treat "low value" people with respect, maybe there´s gonna be less crime out there. That´s what I think.

Ok so what have u done to make yourself look great? You're 18 and keyboard warrioring on a forum trying to convince people that people don't need to contribute or do anything to be seen as higher value in anyway then what differentiates a great man from a low value man? According to you, the low value man is simply low value coz he had to work to prove that he was of higher value right? Look at all the men society has deemed to be "great" every single one of them have accomplished some very difficult and big goals, they essentially manifested or realized the dreams of many into the world and created change on a global scale, thats why they were deemed "high value" they accomplished their goals and their dreams, the accomplishment IS what differentiates a boy from a man, any person can dream, not everyone can make that dream a reality.

Most men I know, maybe provide a great value to society but live a miserable life full of disrespect. They constantly chase self-worth, neglecting their own needs and desires, then they get used by their wife, mocked and humiliated and they see nothing wrong with it. That´s the men I see. I don´t know a man in my social circle that accomplished their dreams. The only man who seems like he´s having a Good time is my older cousin, who is all the things you want in a man... Tall, Handsome, Strong, Competent, Logical and smart and yet he spends his life playing videogames. Refusing to get a girlfriend because he couldn´t stand the nagging. And out of all the men I know, he is the most respected one and if not that... then he certainly is the least disrespected one I know.
If you don´t have basic self-worth beyond your achievements, you will chase achievments at the cost of your integrity. And then there are two outcomes. Either you are never gonna feel like you´re enough and let yourself be walked all over. Or they´re gonna become an opressive force which demands respect from everyone because they wasted their entire life chasing something that none actually cares about.
That´s why I believe there´s this ,,Women belong in kitchen" saying. Because these guys feel entitled to a reward for their achievements. They broke their spine to get "respect" and they demand you break your spine as well.

This is what I believe ,,If you base your self-worth on external factors you will be inevitabely miserable." Worth comes from within, everything else is just the means to defend it.

Now if a man changed the world for the better, who cares what his initial motivation was? The outcome is society all benefited from his achievements and thus a man who achieved greatness and society benefited from that greatness is always going to be seen as more "valuable" than a man who didn't need any external validation but didn't do anything coz the outcome is the first guy achieved and contributed, while the latter did not.

And that guy sacrificed his life for the guy who didn´t need any external validation. Society maybe values the former but who is the real winner here ? You can´t convince people who don´t care about external validation to start caring by telling them they´re worthless. They´re gonna have to find worth from within. Something worth working for or towards.

Lol ok u can dislike whoever u want I guess but everyone who u disliked is probably gonna dislike u as well, a lot of bridges were burnt for no apparent reason besides u just "disliking" them. Your life, do w/e the fk u want lol.

I say I dislike them but actually I just find them pitiful. And it bothers me that women find those pitiful men attractive. But it´s only at first glance, anyway. She may be impressed by the hard work you put in yourself but eventually she will come to see the insecurity that seethes from under it. And that´s why I believe divorces happen.
If you believe in your cause, you don´t need to be told you´re worthless to work hard for it. Or at least I think so. These men believe in nothing. They just want to be Loved. So they work for it and when they find out that it is not enough, they get resentful and they blame everyone. The one of the two outcomes happen, they use or get used. And the worst part is that I am supposed to be looking up to them.
Y´know... I know I said I dislike them but after what I wrote in the other reply ,,I don´t have to hate you, you already hate yourself enough." I actually did come to kind of respect those men. It´s tragically Beautiful that they are so desperate for the Love of a woman that they are willing to hate themselves for not being enough for them. The fact that they care so much about her opinion. It starts like that, it seems like unconditional Love towards a woman they want to Love... but then they get heartbroken over and over and with time they loose this innocent Love and all that´ll be left is desire for obedience and submission. And why ? Because they cared more about her approval than about her. That´s my theory.

On one hand u say u dislike so many people and on the other hand u say u care about them, are you trying to say you care about only the people u like or are u saying u care about all the people u dislike despite disliking them?

I care about all people if I feel like I am valued. If I am allowed to treat myself with unconditional Love and self-worth, I Love all people. If I am not, I get very picky. That´s why I would rather Love myself, so that I can remain the compassionate self that everyone Loves.
So taking my self-worth away to motivate me to become competent. I don´t think that´s a good idea. It´s not gonna end well even if I succeed.

Now you could make the argument that my Love is worthless ,,So what that you hate everyone. None cared to be Loved by you anyway" That´s what I got from the other guys post. And if this is true then... yeah... I am nothingness floating in the middle of nowhere. I am nothing to none.

But here´s where it all starts to become negative. I don´t even need to become a criminal to take something from society. All it takes is for me to be suffering in silence and once people get to hear about my tragic story, it will get them shocked, worried and disappointed in humanity. So actually, my Love to other people matters even if I am useless. Because at least it lets them know they are doing a good job at preventing suffering.
Do you know what really motivates me to do better ? Kindness. I am get extremely uncomfortable around kind people because I actually feel bad for being useless around them. So I prefer spending my time around people who don´t like me that much because there I can be my unhinged self and laugh as they get mad over me having a good time. So once again, just proves that telling me ,,None will care about you if you don´t work" won´t make me improve. Or at least I think so.

If you ask me, which group of friends do I think are better for society or some sort of moral/principle question then I'd say the second group coz they're contributing, providing services or products to society which are needed but that doesn't mean I can't have fun with the first group.

I think that if we focused more on inner value than external value, the first group would be able to contribute to society more. I believe that "basement dwellers" are the people who do not agree or fit with the general societal value system, as a result of that they feel worthless and unwanted and as a result of that they never grow. My older cousin is an example of that. He thinks that he can´t get a girlfriend while also maintaining a certain level of freedom, self-respect and independance. Or he thought that, he kind of got over that recently but still he just chillin.

I think you seriously misunderstood the red pill doctrine, I'm not defending them I'm just relaying their message as I understood it, their message is actually telling you that you should go your own way as in, stop caring about what women think of you or anything pertaining to women, focus on your own life instead. That IS ironically what you're wanting to do but you somehow convoluted red pill to BLUE PILL which is to seek women's validation.

But here´s the thing, I don´t wanna give up on women. I only said I would in case my desires would be considered inherently harmful to them. Which you made it seem like they are. In that case I do give up on getting women.
But if I am not harmful to them, then I still want a girlfriend. And I think that the Best way to have and maintain one is to not base my self-worth on her judgement. If she judges me, I will not cry over how worthless I am, I will improve for her, because that´s what SHE wants. I like to think that no matter what I do, I will never be any less or more of a man than I am now. If she wants more, it´s her. When I improve, I will still see myself as what I always was. The only thing that will improve will be her level of happiness.
And if she leaves me, I will not cry. Either I will wish her Good Luck or I will tell her what a b*tch she is for being so ungrateful... Depending on the reason she breaks up with me. But I will say all that, while being completely sure of myself.

Having a spine is having the balls to go after your goals and successfully achieve them against all odds

That´s exactly what I´m doing here

Having a spine is having the balls to go after your goals and successfully achieve them against all odds, are you saying that a husband with wife and kids is wrong for working extra hours for his family? Think about it, having some external reason beyond yourself isn't the issue, having NO sense of self is the issue, I believe it's important to have both external and self values, if you only have your own values, you might have trouble getting along with others and if you have no sense of self then you become a martyr, you need to balance it.

Yeah, exactly, here he´s a winner. He does it cause he wants to and believes in it. And that´s admirable. I completely agree here. I agree with the last sentence especially.

Fi doms in particular has too much sense of self, the main reason why you think like this is probably because your other functions, your inferior Te in particular hasn't developed yet, come back in 10-20 years and you'll understand.

The problem is when people try to get me to use Te while stamping over my Fi. I will use my Te in sync with my Fi. And for that reason, I will not back down in what I believe.

I'm pretty sure you're strawmanning here and over simplifying everything to try sound more correct than you actually are, the underlying theme is really;

How should someone perceive value in someone else? It normally stems from what someone has done or achieved, you're challenging this and saying how one feels is just as valid? Well if everyone stopped achieving/working and just used feelings everyday then who is going to go out and do the work? You need a balance of both as I said before, all types have a T function in their Ego and a F function. T function is realizing that theres a series of problems you need to solve to stay alive and have a reasonable living environment, this is tied to achievements/work and the F function is about how you feel, morals, principles, values to stop people from over rationalizing and just killing everyone else to get the desired outcome for instance. They are equally important for society.

I value self-worth in other people, if you tell yourself ,,I am better than that" I see value in you. I see the potential. I don´t value people who tell thesmelves ,,I am worthless so I have to compensate for it by hard work." I mean... nice that you are working, respect for that, but c´mon... I don´t even think it´s possible to live with this mindset without something going wrong.

Red Pill as I've explained above is about going your own way as in, stop caring about what women think of you or anything pertaining to women, focus on your own life instead. It's just that a lot of Red Pillers talk on social media about other shit thats outside of the core doctrine of Red Pill and people forget that Red Pill was originally "Men going their own way", ironically, you are a man going your own way so you're actually aligned with the red pill from it's original foundings lol

Yeah, but I really Adore women. That´s why I made this post, I want to actually be Good for them but without becoming resentful in the process. That´s why I wrote what I wrote. And that´s why I put ,,that chick" on a pedestal. I want to be women´s equal. Internally and externally. And I certainly don´t f*cking want to creep them out or harm them.

Um, also I am sorry for causing such chaos, I lack a filer sometimes.

 

[ENFPathetic]

You called me a brat for no reason. You see, you think that my "unconditional self/love" is an excuse to be incompetent. Well it isn't. It is actually a value I believe in. It is a value I am willing to fight to protect. The right to be Loved and valued stripped of all the materialistic bulls*it.
I am not pretending like that s*it doesn't matter but it has hell does not matter to me.
It´s not about aquiring worth by status and competence, it´s about living up to the worth that was always there !
The actual reason why I am incompetent is because none ever held me to any standard and didn't care nor rewarded my efforts. But that's about to change very soon.

Do you know what I fall in Love with in people ? Basically their narcissim. I LOVE myself. And I want everyone, except for a*sholes and people with values that inherently contradict that desire, to Love themselves as well. The less you give a s*it about what others think of you, the more I am gonna be attracted for you. I am entitled to everything and I want them to be entitled to everything as well. I want everyone to get what they want, except for bullies and butthurt arrogant morons.
And that is my core value. It is not an excuse to not work, or to not be competent. It is the reason I am gonna become competent. So that people feel Good about themselves for hanging out with me. And so that I can put arrogant a*sholes in their place more effectively.

Do you really think I would force a girl I Love to be in a relationship with an incompetent idiot ? Of course not but if I ever aquire a valuable status, it will be for her. She will have a husband that makes her look better in front of everyone, she will have a husband that makes a lot of money, a husband she can be proud of.
It's for her. I don't need any of that s*it for my self worth. Every piece of work I will ever do, I will do for others. Not to prove anything to myself.
If you love me for my strenght, competence and status, I stand by it that you don't love me, you love yourself. And that's alright but don't bulls*it me about it.
,, We make life easier for those we Love." well that is not my definition of Love. I try to make life more meaningful for those I Love, first and foremost. But... I actually aspire to have people be obsessed with me so don´t worry, I will make it easy. But I will do all that because I believe that the people who Love me deserve the Best ME I can be ! I believe I deserve to be Loved, I believe I that everyone, including me, deserves the best, all they gotta do is prove that they do.
I even said it ,,In a world where people believe in unconditional Love the most important thing are other people." and the opposite is self evident. The opposite world would be pointless, lacking in meaning.

And that's another thing, you say each of us has to make their part to make themselves more Lovable. None I know ever had to try to make themselves more Lovable for me and I would never ask it of them. After all this, I still feel like my Love is mostly unconditional, which in itself can make me unattractive.
There is only one condition... Don't be a d*ck.


And now, what the f*ck ? You are exactly the type of person I despise. You called me a brat. Why ? You have broken the single most important condition I have and that's you insulted me, while unprovoked, while you don't even know me. You lost all my respect there.
What is wrong with you for treating people like that ? How did you even want me to react ?
Competence to me is the means to shut down agressive people like you. The only reason why I still care about your opinion is cause you're older, and I have no idea what did I do to drive an adult to act like that ?
I am the brat here, really ? No, I sincirely don't think so.

If you believe yourself to be worthless without your status... Then hell, you deserve everything that mentality brings you. Your mentality seems like hell, I don´t even have to hate you, you already hate yourself well enough.
I am not letting you drag me down with you.


I am not good enough for anyone but that doesn´t mean I am gonna let people bash me for it. I still can´t get over the fact that you called me a brat. Yeah, okay... I am sorry for my existence, okay ? You are right, I should hate myself until I get all the things that I don´t have. And then I should yell at people who don´t have it and at people who aren´t impressed at the fact that I have it. Do I not deserve basic self-respect ? Alright, insult me insult me insult me, bring it oooooooooooooon ! Let´s see how productive I am gonna become. WoW I can already feel how I´m turning into a better person. Wow, I totally don´t hate everyone right now, not at all.
Yeah, I am totally not gonna take short-cuts, act arrogant and play pretend to upkeep my so very conditional self-worth. Absolutely nooot. I will work hard to repay you the Love you gave me. You know what, one of my big dreams that I have right now, is to call you a brat one day. And actually have the moral high-ground in that situation, I wanna become a man that is capable of doing that.
I still don´t get what is wrong with having a basic self-worth, entitlement to love and to not hate yourself even if you´re not at your Best right now ?


I want to improve in every way I can. Whoever is gonna be my wife is gonna have the Best husband in the world, in her eyes. But... I´d like to get there motivated by Love, not by a petty need to validation. I will improve because I Love myself and the people around me who don´t treat me like s*it. If that´s not enough, then I am disappointed. But I am open minded, sure, hurt me, objectify my feelings all you want. Let´s see where that´ll take us. Maybe it´s just gonna make me more motivated to shut down every disrespectful a*shole in my life.
All you did, is make me a little more resentful of basically everyone I know so today I had to work a little harder to hide my spiteful glare, towards people that don´t deserve it. That glare should be aimed at you, for making me doubt myself and act like an idiot once again.
Really... calling me a brat. There are two outcomes to this. Either I won´t care and I´ll pity you for having the need to be agressive. Or, I will step up my game by a long shot and make sure that next time someone tries this on me it won´t work.
Really I had nothing but everyone´s Best interest inmind when I wrote this. And you come along and call me a brat. Well enjoy your bullying while you can... I still don´t know if hurting me can improve the lives of my Loved ones better than Loving me. But once I find out, non of this s*it is gonna work on me anymore. Once I prove that I and everything I believe is of actual use to other people, then all my respect for you is gonna fall below zero.
But you know what... I wanna settle this... I don´t know what I did wrong but I am sincirely sorry for acting like a brat. Whatever it was.
I came here to see weather my believes can work in practice. According to you, they can´t. And you call me a brat while I come here to ask for validation, which is something I don´t do very often. You are a bully. It´s so easy to call someone like me a brat. And I wouldn´t even mind if I actually did something to you to deserve it.
I guess you deserve my respect but not my admiration.
R-really. What else did you hope to achieve ?

So I hope that concludes everything I wanted to say.

(And yeah of course, I am still young so I am not gonna work THAT hard, I mean not existencially hard like but that doesn´t mean I am not gonna work at all !)

When you expand on your thought process, I don't see a lot wrong there. But I will warn you about one thing.

Obsession: I've lived threw three different types of obsessions. One where I was obsessed but she wasn't and it did a lot of damage to my self respect but I was too into her to notice. A few situations where I was being obsessed over and it was suffocating, and that made me realise how I must have made the girl I obsessed over feel in the beginning.
And the last one happened two times where I was in a relationship where we both obsessed over each other. It was exciting but completely unsustainable. One time I nearly got kicked out by my landlord for not paying(I skipped work so I could time with her), and she nearly failed her final year of university(she skipped classes to spend more time with me). And the other time my friends got so mad at me because I spent the entire night before an important match talking to my girl and I ended up playing shit and lost the game for my team.

If you're going to have that type of relationship, try to make sure you don't have to worry about finances or other important responsibilities. And also your friends and family are going to miss you and wonder what happened to you.

Having said all that, I have to apologise to you. If you're asking for the reason I called you a brat, it's because I found it disrespectful that instead of answering my question, you responded with a seemingly sarcastic response. And if you're asking if you deserved it, no. You didn't deserve it. That's on me. For being impatient with you and lashing out. I'm sorry.

 

[lordDandas]

When you expand on your thought process, I don't see a lot wrong there. But I will warn you about one thing.

Obsession: I've lived threw three different types of obsessions. One where I was obsessed but she wasn't and it did a lot of damage to my self respect but I was too into her to notice. A few situations where I was being obsessed over and it was suffocating, and that made me realise how I must have made the girl I obsessed over feel in the beginning.
And the last one happened two times where I was in a relationship where we both obsessed over each other. It was exciting but completely unsustainable. One time I nearly got kicked out by my landlord for not paying(I skipped work so I could time with her), and she nearly failed her final year of university(she skipped classes to spend more time with me). And the other time my friends got so mad at me because I spent the entire night before an important match talking to my girl and I ended up playing shit and lost the game for my team.

If you're going to have that type of relationship, try to make sure you don't have to worry about finances or other important responsibilities. And also your friends and family are going to miss you and wonder what happened to you.

Having said all that, I have to apologise to you. If you're asking for the reason I called you a brat, it's because I found it disrespectful that instead of answering my question, you responded with a seemingly sarcastic response. And if you're asking if you deserved it, no. You didn't deserve it. That's on me. For being impatient with you and lashing out. I'm sorry.

I understand that money and all that jazz is important for life but I don´t want to build my relationship on it and I want none else to be forced to build their relationship on it. I have been happy my entire life and completely for free. I was always given unconditional Love, I won the genetic lottery by a long shot. I never had to lift a finger to get all the affection in the word, so why should anyone else ? I feel sorry for incels and my whole idea is that I want to prove that all it takes for a person to Love you is for you to geniuenly selflessly Love them. That if you manage to understand the other person and to excite the other person, you are gonna have a high chance for a good relationship. No matter the status, no matter anything materialistic.
I want every man, every incel to get a good chance at dating. I don´t want it to be a competetion, I want it to be more about compatibility. Just get in touch with your masculinity and start using it for other people. I am sure there is someone for everyone as long as everyone does just that.

But it´s starting to seem like everything I´ve believed in is wrong. Maybe it was wrong that I was raised with so much unconditional Love.

But that´s the point, I have no self-worth. Absolutely nothing to base my self-worth on other than my looks. So if I started to measure my worth, let´s say, by how much women are attracted to me. That wouldn´t end well AT ALL. I simply can´t afford to feel bad about it, right now. I can´t take their insults to heart, I can´t let their resentment affect me. I have to keep Loving myself, otherwise I will start making my low self-worth everyone else´s problem. I hope I will not end up that way.

And also your friends and family are going to miss you and wonder what happened to you.

Already happened xD

Obsession: I've lived threw three different types of obsessions. One where I was obsessed but she wasn't and it did a lot of damage to my self respect but I was too into her to notice. A few situations where I was being obsessed over and it was suffocating, and that made me realise how I must have made the girl I obsessed over feel in the beginning.
And the last one happened two times where I was in a relationship where we both obsessed over each other. It was exciting but completely unsustainable. One time I nearly got kicked out by my landlord for not paying(I skipped work so I could time with her), and she nearly failed her final year of university(she skipped classes to spend more time with me). And the other time my friends got so mad at me because I spent the entire night before an important match talking to my girl and I ended up playing shit and lost the game for my team.

Damn sounds like a Fun life xD
Yeah I lost all my friends, brought my entire family into despair and tears and at the top of that allowed myself to be abused. But it was Fun, I liked it.

I found it disrespectful that instead of answering my question, you responded with a seemingly sarcastic response

Yeah, I should watch myself. You´re not the first person who lashed out at me like that. I don´t know what it is exactly that has people have such a reaction to me all the time. It happens always when I get comfortable around people. I don´t even know, maybe I do have some sort of sub-conscious arrogance, an asumption that I am just better than other people and ,,there´s nothing wrong with that". None ever held me to any standard, I never had to work for anything, so I guess that even though I don´t really have any ill will, I do have a tendency to disrespect and undermine people and their achievments. But I don´t mean it, I really just am oblivious to the work it took to get there. Everyone is better than me and I wonder why. Now that I´m thinking about it, that is probably why everyone I know resents me so much. Come to think of it, Thank You for making me realise that. I guess that does fit the definition of a brat.
Ahh, I thought all this time everyone hated me cause I´m stupid but it was actually because I wasn´t able to understand their pride, ohh. Is that it ?

Thank you for your response ! It made me act like a d*ck for a while but I guess there was value in it. Hey, would you believe that the people who resent me the MOST are always ExFP types ?
I guess it´s because Te is kind of their biggest pride, cause it´s not fully taken for grated but it´s still something they´re really good at if they put effort. The same way that I am proud of my Ni.
And damn f*ck, I guess now I see why my sister is so damn insufferable. She´s like me but on steroids, she throws ALL the respect for literally everything out of the window. She´s an ESFP.
Okay I guess it´s time we get a hobby xDDD
Thank you for your apology, too, it made me feel significantly better. I am gonna try to make use of your criticism.

(Still though, now that my eyes are beginning to open, I am starting to feel like there´s something deeply wrong with me xD)

 

[Glacius]

TLDR. My take on red pill content is that there is valid information there but is tainted by incelishness so critical thinking is advised while consuming this type of content.