My reaction to incels and redpill and my opinion of love in general (I guess it´s kind of a vent)

lordDandas said:

Hello, I am an 18 year old guy with Absolutely no dating experience, however, I was deeply hurt by redpill and incels, so I decided I will write my retaliation over here. I know you guys probably aren´t unreasonable incels, so there´s no point in preaching to you. But I sort of wanna make sure I am not wrong. If not then... This is my antitode to the redpill desparity. And also, I just want to say my opinions and feelings about all the redpill content I accidentally consumed. This is my reaction to incels and redpill.
At the same time, I guess I wanna know if what I believe is wrong. So if I say something incorrect, people correct me. I also criticize a lot so, sorry, these are all just my subjective feelings.

Hello, I am quite a feminine guy, though my mom would disagree because I can get scarily disagreeable if someone is not respecting my boundries.
I am not like other guys and I mean that in the sense that I have no interest in having muscles, gaining money or status. I do not look up to masculinity and only see it as the means to an end.
Yet... There is a part of masculinity that I idealise. Or more like, I like musculinity just not the one portrayed everywhere. The only men I respect are my dad amd my older cousin, all of the other masculine people seem just like walking meatbags of insecurity. It´s hard to respect people like Jordan Peterson he lets everyone s*it on humanity´s self-worth and tell people stuff like
,,Female validation is fundemental."
Fundemental to what ? And that is a question. What is it fundemental to, Jordan ? To your ego ?
I believe that if you base your self-worth on external factors you will be inevitabely miserable and arrogant.
I also believe that muscles, money and status do not define a man´s worth but are rather the means to DEFEND what´s worth.

The other time, I had a crush on an introverted girl. Probably an INFP. And now, I am a very feminine guy and have a bit of a sub-conscious misandry, so it is purely my experience that I didn´t want to be Loved back by her. I did not care for her approval. But you know what I cared about ? I cared about her. I was worried sick that she´ll get hurt weather physically or psychicially and I suffered for days not knowing hot to cope with my feelings.
It felt like nothing will stop the suffering, not even if I started dating her. But then I remembered the first time I met her. She´s very introverted so she barely meets any new people and she heard about me from a friend of mine. And since my friend wanted her friends to become friends, she invited us to a meeting without telling us the other one would be there, because she knew that otherwise we would reject it.

So I recall walking into that café, my friend sitting there with the INFP girl and she looks at me in pure excitement and surprise. Well... turns out she was excited about meeting someone new.
After that... It DID get really awkward so nothing really came out of it but... It was an ISFP, INFP and an ENTP meeting so... It seemed we tolerated the awkwardness in a chill way. Well ,,nothing really came out of it" except for my completely irrational crush over someone I barely know, solely because of her f*cking attitude and also the memory of her "surprised pikatchu face"
So when I was suffering later on, for basically no reason as I always do, I remembered her excited face... And all the suffering went away. I was happy, I was satisfied. That face, that excitement... That´s what I want to live for.

I couldn´t give less f*cks about female validation because my self-worth is nearly unconditional. All I cared about was her. And heck... If she wants me to get muscles, money and cars... Then I´m happy to do it for her. But... I also know that she doesn´t want that. That´s not what would make her truly happy, I wanna give her more than that.
A wise man in a World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King trailer once said ,,But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people." and I agree, if you manage to excite her, to make her happy, that´s when you´re gonna become a true king to her. That´s what I believe.

Nowdays, people focus way too much on wanting to be Loved than actually Loving. And why ? Because they keep telling themselves over and over that they are unlovable. It started with men being unlovable no matter what, progressed to men being unlovable unless they get status. Stop telling yourself you´re unlovable.

Besides, why would I want to protect someone who thinks I am worthless at heart ? I have a difficulty respecting people like Jordan Peterson, they tell you to get better otherwise you´re not gonna be Loved... So really ? You take it that without your suit, career, money, intelligence... You are entirely worthless ? Pathetic.
It´s why I don´t look up to any men. Insecurity seethes from them. Except for my dad, my older cousin and... Handsome Jack.

Do women think I am worthless if I don´t have any muscles and status ? If so... To hell with them. But so far, this idea wasn´t confirmed.

You can´t Love someone who´d call You worthless if You were useless to them. It´s disgusting. ,,Get muscles, money and cars and she´ll Love You" Isn´t it common sense that that is just not the case. She´ll be with You cause at least unlike everyone else, You are sexually attractive... But all it takes is one slip and she´ll leave You... Because what have You ever done for HER other than try to earn her approval for Yourself ?

You are all playing pretend play. You preach strenght, muscles, redpill... Without understanding the nuances it takes to get there.
You are merely imitating your ancestors. And it shows.

And what am I ? A pussy... ? Now excuse my little rant here... None respects me, I feel like I am going through a cognitive deterioration and I can´t even put a sentence together real time. I am nothing but a stupid, dumb idiot who was always nothing but a burden.
Who am I to talk about this issue ? None respects me, everyone resents me and they don´t allow me to be around them. They gatekeep everything from me, they laugh and me and they mock me.
And yet, I feel like I am right. I don´t care about their insults and my self-worth remains the same. I have nothing to prove, no validation points to collect, no girls to exploit.

And what´s left is my Love and my will to do Good to protect it.

In a world where everyone believes in unconditional Love, the most valuable thing are other people. In a world where everyone believes in conditional Love, the most important thing is money, and everything else is just the means to an end.

Why do men supress their desire to do Good ? They bow their head and tell themselves ,,That´s right, I am a piece of garbage none wants so I have to make up for it with money and work so that I can compensate for my pahtetic existence." Why is that something I am supposed to be looking up to ?

Also, an important thing about being a Good guy. Goodness needs no validation, it is a self-sustaining force. You do Good because you believe it´s right. It means that no rejection will change your opinion of it. It speaks about your character. Sometimes, women are not interested in a Good guy. But you can´t expect a reward for being Good, being Good is the reward itself. My definition of Goodness is unconditional Love, for myself and everyone else. If you believe in unconditional Love, you will not fear rejection. You can just laugh it off. And I believe in second chances, if a girl rejects me it means that I am not good enough for her, yet. But even if she rejects me afterwards, it´s fine. After all, I Love her and I want to be with her to make her happy, if she knows that for some reason I wouldn´t be able to make her happy, why would I be forcing her to be in a relationship with me ? But... to be honest, I really am the type of guy who will look at my crush getting a boyfriend and go just like ,,Wow, I hope she´ll be happy." yeah... I am kinda... I am kind of a p*ssy in that regard, that´s not very attractive xD But yeah...

Now, I want to make something clear. I know there is a lot of women who are into redpill, too. Women who will look down on me and say that they would never date me unless I have all the things that I say are worthless. They will say ,,That´s just the way it is." And to that I say ,,That´s not the way it is, that´s the way you are." You want all that s*it for Yourself. You want a man that will be able to protect You, not me, I couldn´t care less. So if You think I am worthless without all that. First of all, You are selfish, second of all, we clearly do not share the same values and therefore I´d have no interest in dating you anyway.
I am not saying women would be bad people for rejecting me, I am just saying that you are rejecting me for selfish reasons. Don´t act like you´re a moral authority to me because I don´t fit your standards. You act like ,,Men should be blah blah blah" just because you´re a horny w*ore, okay ? Like, I am trying to say that muscles, money, status... If I have that, I have it for You. If You Love me for it, You only Love Yourself. And sure, if I get lonely, I can live in this one sided relationship just fine, always knowing that you will never really Love me but at least I can get someone I can Love, which sometimes is even a bigger win than being Loved. At the end of the day, I don´t care if I get rejected anymore, I know how to get girls and I know my self-worth. If you reject me... dude, you are no goddess. You are just a random hack that wants to get laid like everyone else does. Sure, maybe I did something wrong that made you reject me but... Who the f*ck cares ? Your p*sy is not the f*cking moral authority over here, hello ?

Or am I wrong. Is it necessary to objectify my feelings like that ? Maybe yeah, maybe Love and understanding is not enough to make one motivated to protect it, maybe you have to take everything away from them so that they get off of their butt and do something.

However, if someone tells ME to man up, I will break their jaw. If a woman tells me to man up, I will turn gay, transsexual and I´m gonna steal her husband and then tell HER to "woman up".

Once again, am I arrogant for thinking I deserve Love even though I am practically useless ? Or are you arrogant for thinking that you can outweight the value of life by materialistic bulls*it ?

In conclusion, none f*cks with me. I am way past tolerating everyone´s bulls*it. I know my worth and I have nothing to prove, it´s up to you to prove I am worthless... Good Luck, you´re gonna die trying. Probably of old age. Or the realisation of what it would imply if your values were logically consistent.

Are women supposed to take your self-worth away and slowly give it back as you do exactly what they want ? If so, I would rather be a woman than a man.

Why do you repress your feelings, guys ? Why do you devalue them ? You are men, therefore all or most of your feelings are exclusively masculine. Treat yourself and your feelings with respect. Everything you need to become a man is already in you.

Though, I am no "real man", I am just an 18 year old who can´t do anything. So, this post is open to criticism.

Chasing girls should be fun, not a desperate quest for self-worth.

I mean I feel like everything I said here is obvious, so why does everyone everywhere keep trying to disprove it ? Or is there something that I lack ? That I forgot ?

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lordDandas said:

In a world where everyone believes in unconditional Love, the most valuable thing are other people. In a world where everyone believes in conditional Love, the most important thing is money, and everything else is just the means to an end.

Why do men supress their desire to do Good ? They bow their head and tell themselves ,,That´s right, I am a piece of garbage none wants so I have to make up for it with money and work so that I can compensate for my pahtetic existence." Why is that something I am supposed to be looking up to ?

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lordDandas said:

Are women supposed to take your self-worth away and slowly give it back as you do exactly what they want ? If so, I would rather be a woman than a man.

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lordDandas said:

Nowdays, people focus way too much on wanting to be Loved than actually Loving. And why ? Because they keep telling themselves over and over that they are unlovable. It started with men being unlovable no matter what, progressed to men being unlovable unless they get status. Stop telling yourself you´re unlovable.

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lordDandas said:

And what am I ? A pussy... ? Now excuse my little rant here... None respects me, I feel like I am going through a cognitive deterioration and I can´t even put a sentence together real time. I am nothing but a stupid, dumb idiot who was always nothing but a burden.
Who am I to talk about this issue ? None respects me, everyone resents me and they don´t allow me to be around them. They gatekeep everything from me, they laugh and me and they mock me.
And yet, I feel like I am right. I don´t care about their insults and my self-worth remains the same. I have nothing to prove, no validation points to collect, no girls to exploit.

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lordDandas said:

Your attempted reply was of big use. I am very grateful for it, cause it validated everything I believed. You basically articulated everything I thought in a way I never could. And it was flattering, too. Thanks for your time !
And I really appreciate it, if I can´t put my appreciation into words... I´ll just let the fact that I spent my entire day thinking about it and writing a reply cause I was inspired by it, speak for itself. You make so many Good points ! Like surprisingly so... I didn´t even expect that... I mean I look at it each time and I am always impressed. You said so many Awesome points. So thank you a lot !

[TLDR: Uhm... you don´t have to... read anything else I wrote here... If you want to hear my response to your criticisms just read first few sentences of every paragraph. Y-you don´t have to read anything of what I wrote here below xDDD Just in case you´re interested but I really don´t force you. I have trouble with keeping things short because one response only triggers more questions and I really am just letting everything out and I spent mostly the entire day thinking about it and writing it (also most of it is unreasonable and inappropriate so there´s no really point in reading it) and it was Fun ! So... it´s not like it was time wasted. Okay I hope I didn´t forget anything (also sorry for being weird) (also sorry for overwhelming you with brackets and unnecessary information) (and sorry for apologising, I am not scared of you, don´t worry (and sorry for assuming that you thought I was scared of you)...(I am sorry for everything that you dislike about this reply(I only say that so that I don´t have to take any accountability for it, shhh))]



Yeah, that´s how I feel, too xD Especially about people who are completely unfamiliar with it.
I actually feel sorry for incels, too, y´know. I think dating can be really wholesome if you don´t tie it too closely to your self-worth. That´s why I think unconditional self-love is important. Because then... you are gonna start improving because You Love others... not because You hate yourself, or the worst case scenario, resent others for disliking you.
I actually thought about trying to help some incels out. That was one of the reasons why I posted this post, I wanted to know weather I do actually know at least a little better than them.



Actually my point about unconditional Love was meant more of a ,,Everyone has a right to basic amount of worth and Love, otherwise there´s no way you can ever grow to Love someone else." And yes I will call them selfish, because I will not allow their kinks or preferences to damage my self-worth.

One of the things that actually pulled me out of the incel redpill mentality was the fact that I was looking up to girls. They say ,,Sometimes it takes a man to be the Best girl." and I believe the same applies even in the opposite. If you want to know how to be a real man, my hypothesies is that you should look up to women. Cause they know what a real man looks like.
I noticed that the women I know are logical, moral and selfless, they know their self-worth and always seem to care about the greater cause. Annoyed by the immature boys who care about nothing but getting laid. So instead of looking up to insecure men I know, I started looking up to those girls. I wanted to be just like them and or even better than them. And that´s what actually lead to this post.
(So actually I do want to become better... y´all just kinda ignored the part where I say that)

Actually you know what ? You made me remember. The reason why I got a crush on that girl is because I looked up to her. She striked me as proud, strong willed and kind. Looking at me with these Beautiful judgmental eyes. And I spent several days thinking, how could... It wasn´t about wanting to be Loved by her. It was about... how could I make her happy. She reminds me of me, yet compared to her I am completely nothing. The idea... that I would be this endless void of patheticness and stupidity started to scare me.
Deep down, I feel like I am nothing. Like I am harmful to everyone around me. In a novel I am writing I assigned my self-insert character to the conception of death, clumsy, unfocused, unpredictable... Cute, welcoming, yet gravely dangerous and out of control. A part of me that represents desecration, apathy and sheer and utter unconditional worthlessness.
And the pride and judgement in her eyes, made me want to kill this part of myself. I don´t want anyone to get hurt, I don´t want anyone to be devalued. I want her to be proud, I want her to be strong. I don´t want to disappoint her.
So I knew I don´t deserve her. But I can´t be dependant on her approval. She isn´t dependant on anyone´s approval. She´s better than me in every way and that´s why I had a crush on her. And I wanted to become her equal. If not to be in a relationship with her, then to at least restore her faith in humanity.




Oh yeah and this next part is kind of scary, so I apologise for that. I actually don´t know her much. I only hear about her and I saw her few times. And I was telling myself like ,,C´mon, you don´t even know her you can´t like her like that." but before you know it I can´t stop thinking about her. I am sorry I am talking about her so much, it´s so creepy to think that there are other people like me. She doesn´t deserve any of this attention, I don´t know what is wrong with me. Obsessively thinking about someone I barely know, dude, it´s terrifying. So I would never even think to resent her for anything xD In truth I probably don´t even like her, as you said, probably just a false image of her, based in what I already know about her. But still my Love for her has been torturing me for days, so this is a Good model to explore my feelings with. So this is basically, just an exploration of my feelings towards a general Love interest.
So basically yes, I guess I am projecting a fantasy onto this girl. Poor her, nontheless my point still stands.
I want to be better than everyone else. Exclusively, so whatever it is that she´d want I´d give it to her. Because... I guess I wrote ,,I want to give her more" because I was thinking of all the wives that live with a husband who can offer them security but... not much else. You see... it always bothered me whenever I saw a girl with some duchebag. I know this is a very stereotypical situation but just because people like that are mocked and being marked as jealous doesn´t mean I am not gonna be true to myself. I believe that some husbands are idiots and I can do way better than them. I believe that money, security and agressive dominant attitude is not enough. It may be the acceptable minimum but it´s not enough. And it´s not because I want to feel special, really. I already know I am special, I don´t need proof for that. It´s because I want the girl´s hopes and dreams to be respected. I want her to feel special as well. I don´t want her to settle down for an idiot just because he´s the only option.
And I am not looking to disrespect any guys. I am not even forcing anything onto any girl. I am just gonna be over here, doing my own thing, if you like it come along.
If you want to be mysoginistic high meintenence cattle, if that´s your romantic fantasy then go on ahead, I don´t care.
And I know I am projecting all this on everyone, maybe they are happy in which case, fine. I even got depressed for a while over the possibility that maybe she isn´t as Awesome as I think. What if I really like her only because she is better than me, as I mentioned earlier ? And what if I become better than her ? Then... she´s gonna be acting like me ? Will she be desperate for my approval ? Will I stop admiring her (Yeah this is basically gonna get disproven later on in this post) ? What if she isn´t better than me and I actually just hallucinated.
That´s when it came back to unconditional self Love. What I find attractive and what I have been thought is that I as a person and everyone else is entitled to status, riches and Love, You just gotta prove that You are.

Maybe she even does care about the approval of others :O That would be a turn off... kinda... n-not really.


The reaction she had to me wasn´t what made me have a crush on her. Her reaction simply made me happy because I think she deserves to be excited and happy. Her smile was the answer to my internal suffering. Cause I was worried sick for her.
What actually did make me have a crush on her immediatelly, was that she reminded me of myself. That stubborn, proud, judgemental attitude. And I wanted her to feel as Loved as I do, because if I get to feel this way, she deserves it, too. ESPECIALLY, if she´s exactly like me... sigh... I guess I really have high narcisstic tendencies.

I will tell you this, I Love every girl. It´s just that I´d Love this one a little more because she is like me or better than me. But I don´t deserve her for that exact reason. So who am I to set the conditions ? Maybe I do wish I could Love this one in particular but who am I to decide ?

Or maybe... maybe my Love even offends them. Maybe they think they don´t deserve to be Loved for the way they are and that they can do better. Well in that case, that´s the end for me. Cause I can´t compare to whatever it is that they want to become.
My Love in this case... would once again... become a representation of death. Death of potential. Sometimes conditional Love is necessary for growth, right ? Well I don´t believe I can grow.
That´s why I was with my narcisstic girlfriend(yeah, I wrote a long paragraph about her but I... can´t find it ?), she was with me because of how pathetic I was. And I was with her because I just drag everyone else down. If she was capable of growth, I wouldn´t dare to slow her down but she isn´t... just like me.
Despite everything, I Love myself and I want everyone to feel the same way about themselves as I do.
I have one condition. I gotta be able to make you happy. That´s all. Fat, skinny, old, ugly... well not stupid, I don´t appreciate stupid girls, so I guess that´s a condition but that´s just because I can´t stand being around a person who reminds me of my deepest flaw, and I would probably even Love a man just fine. I can show them Love. Cause who the f*ck am I to make conditions ?
I do actually have kind of a hero complex when it comes to... well actually everyone. I act feminine around guys, so that they feel needed and valued and I act masculine around girls so that they feel wanted and valued. (Which is why I was in a relationship with a narcisst. I could feel that she feels unworthy and I wanted to make her happy, though that was soon to be found out as an impossible task. I find it very tragic. Seriously, where is the paragraph I wrote about her, it was so good and it made so many points. The main point being ,,I was dating a narcisst which means that basically my Love is nearly unconditional because of my Hero complex. (I mean she w- No I won´t repeat myself, that paragraph was somewhere here now it isn´t here)) It´s really easy for me to gain respect from men but not so easy with women.
You confused me, you made me think that my Love is conditional actually and it took several looooong conflicting paragraphs to figure out that actually it isn´t.
But it´s funny how I got to that conclusion. Because I myself am the condition. If you demand something I am not capable of, then you can´t date me. I will not do anything I can´t do. So that narows it down. So I dunno, is it conditional, is it not conditional ?
I lack standards.
And as far as sexual attraction goes. I am already sexually attracted to myself so. And the fact that I am better looking than someone turns me on, anyway.
I guess only conditions would be don´t be a freak and don´t harm me ? And I have to know you well and for a longer time, so that, too.

[TLDR: Some people are offended by unconditional Love. And I as hell am not capable not entitled to have conditional Love]


Yeah, I believe I am nothing, yet I Love myself fiercly. If you are better than me and willing to settle for me, then I´ll be happy. If none wants you and I can be your savior, sure. I admit I have a massive narcissm in me. It´s... it´s kind of sad actually. I am so extremely self-absorbed it´s alarming, actually. If I could f*ck myself, I would. Ha ha, why does this joke resonate with me so much. Yeah i-it´s not a joke. I am so hot it´s making me depressed. Y´know, I am all I need, I never really had any friends and when I did I would only see them like once a month. My Best friend is me.
That´s why my Love is unconditional. You just gotta find the right approach.

Wait... I DIDN´T EVEN SAY that my romantic Love is unconditional, in my original post. I said that everyone deserves a fair share of unconditional Love. And yet I made two blocks of text about how it is !
Wow, the things You make me say.
But as it turns out, it mostly is.

W-why am I saying all this, again ? Y-you didn´t ask, did you ?



And also, despite all this, I want to improve the Best I can. I never said anywhere that I don´t xD (I said it several times throughout this and that post but just to make it clear)

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lordDandas said:

Yeah, that´s exactly why I made this post. To know where I´m wrong.
But you´re getting unreasonably angry because I am not doing any of those things you are accusing me here of. Just to let you know, none of the feelings I described here, I ever acted upon.
I didn´t get rejected and even if I would I would not be angry about it in the slightest. I guess I should´ve put a trigger warning on this ?

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lordDandas said:

Well yes I did answer my own question. I Love that judgement because it is truthful, when did I ever say I am angry at her ? I wrote that I look up to her and I want to become her equal. I said that I would want to make her happy. And I guess I didn´t stress it enough... but I do find the fact that I am obsessing over her so much inherently disgusting.
Dude, you have no idea how much she would hate me for whatever I wrote there ? It´s disgusting, creepy and obsessive.
Sorry I guess I just lack a filter !
The entirety of the posts I made had one theme in common ,,Unconditional Love" ,,Not caring about validation" so why would you assume I would get angry if a girl judged me ? The whole point of that part was to demonstrate that I, personally, don´t care that she thinks I am nothing. It won´t make me angry at her, it won´t make me spiteful, it won´t make me resentful. Because her judgement, to me, is just her opinion.
Okay she doesn´t like me, message recieved. I am glad she is truthful. If I ever want to date her, I will become better. But it´s HER opinion. HER business. Not mine.

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lordDandas said:

The reason why I don´t look up to other men is because they take female judgement way too seriously. And it makes them in my eyes look pathetic.

I don´t dislike redpill because ,,I think it prevents me from getting a p*sy". I dislike redpill because I don´t agree with it´s values, pure and simple.

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lordDandas said:

I will just keep it simple. If she doesn´t want it, then I don´t want her. AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT OUT OF SPITE. I am merely stating facts. I obsess over people and I want to be obsessed over, if they don´t wanna, it´s their own business.

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lordDandas said:

I don´t bash other men because I am mad that my interactions with women are not working. I don´t dislike men because they are my competitors. I dislike them because I just do. And I dislike the women that like them as well. And it´s fine... You can be into whatever you want... I am happy you´re happy. I just don´t like it.
Yes, I sort of "bash" them. I openly dispise them. But not because they´re competitors. Just because I generally and geniuenly don´t like them.

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lordDandas said:

You asked about why I ask for validation when I said I don´t need validation. It´s not as much about external validation as it is about knowing if other people are fine with it. I wanted to know weather what I feel is fine with other people and can work in practice. If what you´re saying is true, then it can´t work in practice. In that case, I will not act upon these feelings and give up on women.
I said I wanna make that girl happy. If I can´t make that girl happy then I won´t do anything.
I don´t care for external validation.
You can come here and tell me that everything I feel is wrong. Every woman on this planet can reject me and spit into my face. I don´t care even a bit. Again, It´s not as much about external validation as it is about knowing if other people are fine with it. If they´re not, then whatever.
Cause... I wanna make it clear, I care about other people. I maybe don´t care about what they think of me but I care about them. If anything I feel could be harmful to that girl, I am keeping it to myself. I will live my entire life in isolation if it means it´s gonna keep other people from harm. And I don´t resent anyone.

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lordDandas said:

Dude I am disgusting, I know ! I will not bother anyone with it but I won´t feel bad about it either.

External validation is to know weather what I feel is acceptable and practical, to You. If it isn´t, then I simply won´t hang out around you. So that validation isn´t really for me, it is just to make sure that other people are willing to put up with me.

I don´t blame my failings on none but myself.

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lordDandas said:

There is only one reason why I actually dislike redpill. It made me act like a complete clown around women for like about a week because it made me feel like my worth depends on them. I was actually close to acting the way you described.
And I don´t like it because I see redpill as inherently selfish from the perspective of women.
This is why I don´t respect guys who take female judgement so seriously. Some girl just comes along and completely annhiliates your self-worth because her p*sy wasn´t wet. Is that what I´m supposed to be looking up to ? If that girl wanted she would play these guys like a fiddle.
Do you know why I look up to that girl ? It´s because she doesn´t give a s*it about what I think of her. So why should I give a f*ck about what she thinks of me ? Women, unlike all of those incels, have a spine. Or maybe they don´t maybe I am just projecting again but that´s besides the point.

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lordDandas said:

That´s why I look up to her. Because she isn´t crying over in a corner being sorry for her existence like everyone else.

I will just say it like this. I want to have a spine. I disagree with the values of redpill on a fundemental level. I disagree with what men value. And I disagree with what women who like those men value.
And from the way I am seeing things. It looks like almost every men I know also disagrees with those values, yet they conform to them. Yet they act like redpill is their bible. Yet, they base their entire self-worth on it. That´s what I dislike.
Sorry for being so unhinged, it is late and I am kind of rushing it.

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lordDandas said:

So THE ENTIRE POINT OF MY POST WAS: MEN, HAVE SOME SELF WORTH. Your feelings are valid.
I will say this... I think redpill values are unreasonable and stupid, that doesn´t mean I am gonna hate girls for having them. But you can´t magically make me think to myself ,,Oh yeaaah, muscles, money, status, that´s all that matters." sure TO YOU and what are YOU to tell ME what I should value about myself ?

So in case, I still seem like a bad person, or creepy, or whatever. I just wanna say... If the entire world thinks I am wrong, I will bury myself somewhere and we´ll all be Cool, okay ?
If you disagree me, if my crush disagrees with me, I will stay the f*ck out of your life.

[TLDR: Look, if non of this was still enough to convince you that you´re wrong about me. I will just repeat this again. I care about people, I would never do something that would hurt them physically and psychically. I wasn´t rejected by anyone, nor did I make anyone uncomfortable. I don´t blame anyone for my failings. And I am not entitled to anyone´s affection. Okay ?]

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