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Hey everyone!

I went to see a new therapist today and she almost immediately saw a lot of build-up anger in me created by my inability to let my inner-critic stray away from doing what I truly wanted in life.

It seems that I have been cultivating a pretty rigid beliefs about my ability to affect changes and to take action. I also have this idea that true happiness must be met with thorough and thoughtful accademic achievements and efforts. Science is also much more open-ended and ramified than I was meant to believe. In conculsion, I was trying to self-actualize through a very narrow-minded view of what I thought I should do in order to grow and be fulfilled. I was a bit taken aback when my therapist told me, after I stated that I considered MBTI to be in a gray-area between science and esoterism, that it actually was scientifically-proven... I was red-faced all the remaining hour.

Looking back, it's true that I use ''shoulds'' and ''musts'' in my vocabulary, in addition of being quite blatantly critical and mean toward other people. Activities that I considered fun and creative are now time-consuming and exhausting. If I can't get right that drawing or singing of mine, I almost immediately berate myself and give up too soon. When I'm healthy though, I more accepting and tolerant of my mistakes.

In addition of being very tense and self-demanding, when the pressure is too high, I become snappy and want to rush through my work in order to get to pleasurable stuff. I become anxious of my work as it stays unfinished and try to schedule a regular work-time for my leisures. I always fails to deliver, though, and I'm back to square one.

I know that I am a 4w5 So/Sx but my tritype is still hazy.

My question to you is : is this behavior indicative of a ONE fix in my tritype? Could I be 451 or even 471?

Thank you in advance.
 

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Hey everyone!

I went to see a new therapist today and she almost immediately saw a lot of build-up anger in me created by my inability to let my inner-critic stray away from doing what I truly wanted in life.

It seems that I have been cultivating a pretty rigid beliefs about my ability to affect changes and to take action. I also have this idea that true happiness must be met with thorough and thoughtful accademic achievements and efforts. Science is also much more open-ended and ramified than I was meant to believe. In conculsion, I was trying to self-actualize through a very narrow-minded view of what I thought I should do in order to grow and be fulfilled. I was a bit taken aback when my therapist told me, after I stated that I considered MBTI to be in a gray-area between science and esoterism, that it actually was scientifically-proven... I was red-faced all the remaining hour.

Looking back, it's true that I use ''shoulds'' and ''musts'' in my vocabulary, in addition of being quite blatantly critical and mean toward other people. Activities that I considered fun and creative are now time-consuming and exhausting. If I can't get right that drawing or singing of mine, I almost immediately berate myself and give up too soon. When I'm healthy though, I more accepting and tolerant of my mistakes.

In addition of being very tense and self-demanding, when the pressure is too high, I become snappy and want to rush through my work in order to get to pleasurable stuff. I become anxious of my work as it stays unfinished and try to schedule a regular work-time for my leisures. I always fails to deliver, though, and I'm back to square one.

I know that I am a 4w5 So/Sx but my tritype is still hazy.

My question to you is : is this behavior indicative of a ONE fix in my tritype? Could I be 451 or even 471?

Thank you in advance.
Which one seems more like you?

451 - This tritype may come off reserved to the extreme and seem the most “5ish” especially if the 4 has a 5 wing as well, due to the two types, 5 and 1 being very reserved types. 1 is reserved because they feel they need self control, whereas 5 is reserved because they don’t want to be emotionally involved, and both of these war with the inherent emotional richness of the 4 enneagram type. They may be very staunch at first, but 1, although a very self controlled type, is a passionate type as well, and this will mix with the type 4 in this tritype, giving them a creative, inspirational drive, while also maintaining a somewhat detached lens on life. They will seem to withdraw and spontaneously engage with reality, off in their own little world, quite literally. Though they may seem very serious though, their opinions and reflections on things and interpretations may come off very odd or artistically inclined, possibly metaphor heavy, or just generally laden with emotion though their appearance would be deceiving. Fairly realistic perspectives. A more introverted tritype.

471 - More of a happy go lucky person due to 7, intense emotions but imbues them with positivity, and even possibly avoids negative ones. Energetic and enthusiastic, inquisitive, curious, ready to take action, somewhat flighty and impulsive while still maintaining a set of convictions and values from 1 and experiencing a deep well of emotion in their activities from 4. Openness to experience, adventurous but still somewhat reserved. Though they enjoy social activities, they may tire after a while and withdraw. Probably come off reserved at first, but reveal a playful nature as you get to know them, while still experiencing deep emotions. Can avoid emotions they don’t like though, and nit pick through, seeming oblivious to a very obvious crisis. Self controlled. Willing to teach others, easy team player though they still feel something is different or off about them, wise in a playful yet honest manner.
 
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Which one seems more like you?

451 - This tritype may come off reserved to the extreme and seem the most “5ish” especially if the 4 has a 5 wing as well, due to the two types, 5 and 1 being very reserved types. 1 is reserved because they feel they need self control, whereas 5 is reserved because they don’t want to be emotionally involved, and both of these war with the inherent emotional richness of the 4 enneagram type. They may be very staunch at first, but 1, although a very self controlled type, is a passionate type as well, and this will mix with the type 4 in this tritype, giving them a creative, inspirational drive, while also maintaining a somewhat detached lens on life. They will seem to withdraw and spontaneously engage with reality, off in their own little world, quite literally. Though they may seem very serious though, their opinions and reflections on things and interpretations may come off very odd or artistically inclined, possibly metaphor heavy, or just generally laden with emotion though their appearance would be deceiving. Fairly realistic perspectives. A more introverted tritype.

471 - More of a happy go lucky person due to 7, intense emotions but imbues them with positivity, and even possibly avoids negative ones. Energetic and enthusiastic, inquisitive, curious, ready to take action, somewhat flighty and impulsive while still maintaining a set of convictions and values from 1 and experiencing a deep well of emotion in their activities from 4. Openness to experience, adventurous but still somewhat reserved. Though they enjoy social activities, they may tire after a while and withdraw. Probably come off reserved at first, but reveal a playful nature as you get to know them, while still experiencing deep emotions. Can avoid emotions they don’t like though, and nit pick through, seeming oblivious to a very obvious crisis. Self controlled. Willing to teach others, easy team player though they still feel something is different or off about them, wise in a playful yet honest manner.
Mmmmm... crap.

I know right now that my impulsiveness and impatience have given me a lot of trouble with commitment and taking responsability. Those two components are MAJOR hindrances in my life. I fear engagement because, according to I may run the risk of embarrassing myself in front of everyone because of my incompetence. I also don't want to feel overwhelmed and can run the risk of being recluse if I don't go out of my house for too long. As mentioned previously, I will punish myself for what I consider ''bad'' behavior caused my my fiery outbursts, either by refusing comfort and/or administering myself physical pain. I usually cool off quite quickly, but my pride keeps me from self-apologizing.

Looking at the 471 description though, I'm far from adventurous. I'm very 5-ish in that regard : easily overwhelmed and need to distance myself from the outside world. But I need variety in my work because I find white-collar work quickly dull and unappealing. I am nice and smily on the outside. I don't want to show negative emotions, but at the same time I bitch and moan in private while doing nothing to change my situation. I quickly feel resentment and anger toward people who appear ugly and disrespectful to me. I may not voice my discontentment, but I will glare at them.

Well, that's all I can think of right now.
 

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Mmmmm... crap.

I know right now that my impulsiveness and impatience have given me a lot of trouble with commitment and taking responsability. Those two components are MAJOR hindrances in my life. I fear engagement because, according to I may run the risk of embarrassing myself in front of everyone because of my incompetence. I also don't want to feel overwhelmed and can run the risk of being recluse if I don't go out of my house for too long. As mentioned previously, I will punish myself for what I consider ''bad'' behavior caused my my fiery outbursts, either by refusing comfort and/or administering myself physical pain. I usually cool off quite quickly, but my pride keeps me from self-apologizing.

Looking at the 471 description though, I'm far from adventurous. I'm very 5-ish in that regard : easily overwhelmed and need to distance myself from the outside world. But I need variety in my work because I find white-collar work quickly dull and unappealing. I am nice and smiley on the outside. I don't want to show negative emotions, but at the same time I bitch and moan in private while doing nothing to change my situation. I quickly feel resentment and anger toward people who appear ugly and disrespectful to me. I may not voice my discontentment, but I will glare at them.

Well, that's all I can think of right now.
Sounds a lot like me. Although I've calmed down a bit with age. I have managed to stay with the same company for about 15 years because, while there's some general guidelines, it isn't the same every day. There is enough variation to keep me challenged and stimulated. Plus the people I work with are all just as nerdy and weird as I am, so we all have fun talking about nerdy stuff, when we have the time.
 
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