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Ne and Ni in Feeler Types

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Sorry if this has been done to death in other topics, but I didn't encounter a thread specifically dealing with what I'm looking for.

So the last couple of days I've been thinking about the differences between Ne and Ni. Seeking to understand them in their isolated forms I looked up various descriptions, threads dealing with the differences, visual representations of the functions... and although I think I have a good idea about the 'manifestations' of each function (Ne: 'seeing possibilities', Ni: 'shifting perspectives', 'sudden realizations'), I haven't been able yet to integrate all those tidbits of information into a model that makes sense to me. o_o

The reason for making this thread is that I'm trying to figure out which one I *really* use, as opposed to explaining my behaviour parting from the assumption that I use Fi and Ne. Out of the two, Ni seems to be the most mind-boggling, but that doesn't necessarily mean I don't use it, as it could simply arise from a lack of understanding. Se and Si are both easy to understand conceptually, but obviously I don't use both of them at the same time.

Some threads on this forum and typologycentral.com have been very helpful to me in understanding the differences, but most users who commented in these threads were NTs, so I couldn't *totally* relate. After having read their insights, I'm more interested to hear how XNFPs and XNFJs understand their Ne / Ni, and how these functions concretely manifest themselves in their lives

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My current understanding (or lack thereof) of the functions:
- Ne: external stimuli triggering certain threads of thought or associations. Unlike Si, the triggered associations aren't usually concrete bits of information that are directly related to the stimulus (for example: someone mentions a Twingo => urban car, manufactured by Renault, price range, people I know who own one, places where I can buy one, in what colours is it available), but ideas or scenarios which are related in one way or the other (someone mentions a Twingo => "if I had a Twingo, I would paint it purple" or "wouldn't it be cool if James Bond drove a Twingo with built-in rocket launchers in his next movie". Or perhaps the word 'Twingo' would remind Ne of the word 'Bingo', which would remind him of games of chance in general, which would remind him of his latest statistics class...).
Ne can serve to combine two seemingly unrelated pieces of information, or can serve to use one property of a bit of info as a trigger to jump to an 'unrelated' bit of info (as in my example: the fact that Bingo rhymes with Twingo permits our Ne user to jump from the realm of automobiles to the realm of odds & probabiliy).

I visualize Ne as a little squirrel, sitting in a tree with almost endless branches. The squirrel can go from the trunk of the tree to the end of a branch, without knowing its destination. Confronted each time with various possible paths, the squirrel will simply choose one on a whim, or decide to sit still and evaluate the different possibilities. The squirrel can also jump from one branch to a totally unrelated branch, as long as they're close enough to eachother.

- Ni: external stimuli are deconstructed into various tiny fragments. These fragments are not put into boxes and 'filed' as Si would do; instead, the 'pieces' are all put together and combined in a whole new way, resulting in an ever-changing, fluid mosaic, this mosaic being the peculiar world view of Ni-users which they draw their data from.
Ni users can choose to direct their focus to 1 piece in the mosaic. The meaning of the piece depends on the surrounding pieces. A blue piece surrounded by other blue pieces is not the same as a blue piece surrounded by red pieces. Because of the fluidity of the mosaic, Ni users can see how the meaning of a piece changes when the surrounding pieces change...

After re-reading my improvised analogy, I feel I've complicated things instead of clarifying them (for myself and others), but yeah... I'm trying to understand this on a conceptual level...

The easiest thing to understand about Ni, is that it enables people to look at things from various angles or perspectives. From what I've gathered, Ni-users consider our perception to be inextricably linked to our biases and assumptions. They try to shake this up by 'redefining the rules of the game' every once in a while, throwing off certain assumptions and looking at things in a different light. Could this, perhaps, be a good description of the Ni way of evaluating a problem... "Playing the same game several times, but using different rules each time"?

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Thoughts? Personal experiences? Any concrete examples, analogies or abstract ideas that will help me (and others) differentiate between these two pesky buggers? Post them plz.
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After having read their insights, I'm more interested to hear how XNFPs and XNFJs understand their Ne / Ni, and how these functions concretely manifest themselves in their lives...-

Ni: external stimuli are deconstructed into various tiny fragments. These fragments are not put into boxes and 'filed' as Si would do; instead, the 'pieces' are all put together and combined in a whole new way, resulting in an ever-changing, fluid mosaic, this mosaic being the peculiar world view of Ni-users which they draw their data from.
Ni users can choose to direct their focus to 1 piece in the mosaic. The meaning of the piece depends on the surrounding pieces. A blue piece surrounded by other blue pieces is not the same as a blue piece surrounded by red pieces. Because of the fluidity of the mosaic, Ni users can see how the meaning of a piece changes when the surrounding pieces change...

After re-reading my improvised analogy, I feel I've complicated things instead of clarifying them (for myself and others), but yeah... I'm trying to understand this on a conceptual level...

The easiest thing to understand about Ni, is that it enables people to look at things from various angles or perspectives. From what I've gathered, Ni-users consider our perception to be inextricably linked to our biases and assumptions. They try to shake this up by 'redefining the rules of the game' every once in a while, throwing off certain assumptions and looking at things in a different light. Could this, perhaps, be a good description of the Ni way of evaluating a problem... "Playing the same game several times, but using different rules each time"?
As an INFJ, I feel that this description is helpful.

I feel you're right: '...our perception [is] inextricably linked to our biases and assumptions.' That was one reason I pursued counseling: so that I could understand my own biases and assumptions. Through exposing and understanding those biases and assumptions, I could then redefine my 'mosaic' (as you beautifully wrote!).

I often tell others that life is an idea that they've created and continually redefine. For instance, my 'lens' in which I examine life at this moment can be through the lens of an 'INFJ' or a 'Type 3', but when I go to volunteer I see through the lens of the role of 'prospective doctor' or when I go and spend time with my family I see through the lens of the role of 'close friend'. But these roles are terms that I'm defining or re-defining day after day. If, say, the role doesn't work or the lens isn't beneficial then I redefine it. The world 'out there' is the same, but my idea of the world isn't.

But since this is an introverted function, I express it either through Fe or Se. Through Fe, I feel like 'reaching out' and encouraging others with the 'idea' I have within. Often times it's a 'vision' of what a better life may be for that person regardless of how 'vivid' that 'vision' is. My logic is that since I'm a human being and the other person is too, then it may be possible that our 'ideas' are more similar than different. Through Se, I act (or at least want to!) in the moment to materially create the 'vision' I have within in the external world.
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I like the lens analogy. So you examine the world through a lens, or rather an internally crafted vision or idea of life? I guess you could also describe Si as seeing life through an internally created 'lens', but it would be more 'rigid' or based on concrete facts, while Ni would be more fluid and abstract.
Ha, thank you! I couldn't actually think of a better way to explain it other than as analogy of 'lens'! The 'lens' I speak of are sort of how I adjust myself to 'fit' the vision I have for the moment (which undoubtedly involves my entire scheme of my idea of 'life'). For example, the boundaries and limitations I impose on myself as a 'coworker' are 'lifted' when I spend time with my close friend. The 'idea' has altered in my whole scheme of 'life' and I adjust myself accordingly.

It's sort of like this:

One question tho, Superunknown Vortex. In almost every description of Ni I read, it seems to be associated with a sense of "knowing" or "being certain of something". Do you relate to this? Or would this be more of an INTJ thing?
Yes, I feel certainty about 'something', but that 'something' usually involves people (Fe, of course). This 'knowing' has been finely honed through undergraduate studies (which gave me an opportunity to strengthen my Ti to the point that I thought it was my dominant function) and, more importantly, my life experiences.
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