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I'm just wondering if any of you guys ever heard of this before... There are discussions out there saying that ENFPs and INFPs are more likely to believe and utilize NEw Age or paranormal techniques...

Is this true for you guys?


(If you're wondering what is meant by New Age and Paranormal: auras, reiki, energy techniques..etc.)
 
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Erm, i don't know. I feel like we're more likely to experiment, but hopefully some are wise enough to not indulge in areas that can be detrimental. For me, I'm a Christian..so that kind of thing I would consider against my personal values and detrimental to my state spiritually. This is just talking about me personally though, I don't intend to criticize anyone or debate the topic.
 

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I'm a Christian too... But I keep hearing on other forums this connection between personality type and new age phenomena. It's a curiosity to me... I thought it was more upbringing then type.
 

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No, I don't really believe in anything but I do know what you're talking about - I think I've crossed an INFP thread discussing about seeing ghost or having the 6 the sense a few months back
 

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Im an ENFP and im extremely open minded, i believe anythings possible.. I dont have any beliefs as such but im always interested in new ideas and theories.


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Maybe it is more the INFPs then... That's interesting. They are every introspective and the one INFP I knew was into energy healing.
 
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... right, new age. I'm open to the idea that faith, empathy and human contact contribute to physical health. Faith isn't necessarily a faith in God or the supernatural, but the belief that things can improve. There is much to be said about remaining an optimist in medicine. It would stave off despair or depression where you can fall into the habit of self neglect, also being in a relaxed state does not drain the body of precious resources that can be used in the process of healing. Physical and mental tension is not always good for the immune system. Studies have shown that infants who never experienced affection and are left to neglect have a weaker immune system and a lower life expectancy. This is what we DO know.

Medicine has a long history of snake oil where new products are marketed as the revelations of modern science and mysticism. Very often scientific discoveries are misrepresented by charismatics to turn profit or to position themselves as spiritual healers of the modern age. There are things we know, there are things we don't know, there are things that have been disproved and things we cannot know because we are bound by the limitations of human perception.

... that said, no and absolutely not. I don't believe anyone who tells me that only a chosen few have the gift which is only made available to the initiated. Show me the evidence, and when something is a new procedure explain to me why something is probable. I don't want mystery, I want clarity of perception and I want clarity of thought.
 

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Well there's a big step between believing and utilising these things right ? I don't mind having some fun with reiki, regardless of wether it works or not.
Aside from that yes, I do feel like I would be open to try these out but from the thread I think we can assume that point of view isn't ENFP special.
 

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I don't have a problem with "playing" with ideas that haven't been scientifically validated. I think it can be fun to read horoscopes and did look at a book about Chinese astrology several years ago. I can find it interesting when things match up to a theory of this kind, but I will also notice when things don't match. I wouldn't say something like astrology really has any influence on your personality since genetic factors and upbringing seem to explain a person's traits well and do so in a more logical way. I was really annoyed by a passage in the Chinese astrology book that said "snakes" (my birth year sign) are "slow starters" in school since I have always done well in school. The horoscopes in my local paper are clearly B.S. in an annoying way since they "rate" a person's day on a scale of 1-10 but claim that every sign has at least a "6" day every single day. :rolleyes:

I have considered the possibility that ghosts exist due to weird, unexplainable things my family has personally experienced, but I wouldn't necessarily believe a paranormal idea like ghosts because of what someone else told me. I've seen some shows on T.V. about ghost investigators and the Long Island Medium show on TLC, but I don't necessarily believe that everything on that show is due to paranormal phenomena. I'm open to a lot of ideas, but I only accept ideas that make sense to me.
 

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Here's some recycled reckful on NFs (especially NFPs) and New Age:

The whole world of stuff that gets lumped under the "New Age" umbrella — in the words of Wikipedia, that "decentralized Western social and spiritual movement that seeks ... the attainment of the highest individual human potential ... [and] includes aspects of astrology, esotericism, metaphysics, alternative medicine, music, collectivism, sustainability, and nature ... [and is also] characterized by an individual approach to spiritual practices and philosophies, and the rejection of religious doctrine and dogma" — tends to be much more N than S, but among N's, it's also fair to say than NFs tend to make up the "New Age" core. At the risk of annoying some of the NFs in the audience, I think it's fair to say that the more flaky any particular New Age practitioner seems, the more likely it is that they're an NF rather than an NT.

The mystical flavor of some N (and especially Ni) descriptions goes all the way back to Jung, who mostly considered the abstract/concrete component of N/S a component of I/E instead, and conceptualized an N preference primarily in terms of a special ability to perceive the contents of the unconscious and to envision, as Jung put it, "possibilities as to whence [something] came and whither it is going." Jung's Ni-dom portrait has a pretty strong mystical visionary aspect that I don't think a typical INTJ (for example) is very likely to identify with.

And it's not uncommon for MBTI tests — both dichotomy tests and functions tests — to include one or more N questions (or Ni or Ne questions) that I suspect an NF or NP is more likely to choose the N response to than an NTJ. I'd say NTJs are the most grounded of the N's in a number of ways, with the result that the N responses are sometimes too mystical/flaky/whatever to appeal to an NTJ.

As one example: One of the most well-known MBTI books is Please Understand Me, by David Keirsey, and it includes a 70-question test to determine your type. The original version of the book included this question:

Are visionaries
(a) somewhat annoying
(b) rather fascinating​

This was supposed to be an S/N question. Response (a) was supposed to appeal to S's, and (b) to N's. But I thought it was a poor question, because I'm a really strong N but also a pretty strong TJ, and to me, "visionary" has a spiritual new-agey theories-out-of-thin-air connotation, so I chose (a) annoying. I thought the question was better designed to separate NF's from S's than N's from S's. Well, lo and behold, it looks like quite a few NTs (and maybe especially NTJs) must have had the same problem, because Keirsey adjusted the question for purposes of the later version of the book. In Please Understand Me II, the question now reads:

Do you find visionaries and theorists
(a) somewhat annoying
(b) rather fascinating​

I still think the inclusion of "visionaries" makes it a weak question, but it's better than it was.

As another example: As I've said, I'm an INTJ with what I consider strong T and J preferences, and these Ni items from Nardi's cognitive functions test —

  • Experience a premonition or foresee the distant future.
  • Gain a profound realization from a mystical state or sudden release of emotions.
  • Feel attracted to the symbolic, archetypal, or mysterious.
— have too much of a flaky flavor for me to relate to them very well. To identify with that kind of stuff, I think it helps to be an NF or NP (or both), and it probably also helps to be at least somewhat prone to believe in ESP and/or other supernatural stuff — as Jung was. Jung most often gets typed as an INTJ, INTP or INFJ, and the people who consider him an INFJ sometimes point to his mystical bent as one of the reasons they think he was an NF rather than an NT.

FIRST FINAL NOTE: I should probably clarify that I'm not meaning to suggest that I consider it all that likely that an INFJ will have a significant mystical streak (or identify strongly with those Nardi test items) — and, all other things being equal, I think a typical INFP is more likely to embrace mystical stuff than a typical INFJ. (Again, I see both T and J as, to some degree, "grounding" influences.) But, because I think an INTJ is significantly less likely to relate to stuff with a mystical flavor, I most often point to INTJs when I'm making the point that I don't really think it's appropriate to characterize IN_Js (or NJs) in those terms.

SECOND FINAL NOTE: And just in case I've given you an overly strong impression that T's have a negative reaction to anything New-Agey, let me re-emphasize that, particularly if you're talking about less fringy/flaky New Age ideas and practices (meditation, yoga, eastern philosophy), you're likely to find plenty of NTs with at least a mild interest.​
 

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I have considered the possibility that ghosts exist due to weird, unexplainable things my family has personally experienced, but I wouldn't necessarily believe a paranormal idea like ghosts because of what someone else told me. I've seen some shows on T.V. about ghost investigators and the Long Island Medium show on TLC, but I don't necessarily believe that everything on that show is due to paranormal phenomena. I'm open to a lot of ideas, but I only accept ideas that make sense to me.
Here's one very interesting theory that could explain away some ghost sightings. http://www.strangerdimensions.com/2013/06/21/infrasound-the-fear-frequency/
 
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I'd say I'm open-minded about most things, but with these things I rarely see the point in even thinking about it. Yes, it may be true, and no I don't look down on people much for believing in it, but I certainly don't want to have any lengthy discussions about it.

How the universe came to be, and whether God exists, are also things I see no point in thinking about. I guess this says something about my view of life, but I haven't really gotten there yet.
 

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I'm a crystal child, I can summon spirits, and I own over 10 decks of tarot cards.
 

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I'm just wondering if any of you guys ever heard of this before... There are discussions out there saying that ENFPs and INFPs are more likely to believe and utilize NEw Age or paranormal techniques...

Is this true for you guys?


(If you're wondering what is meant by New Age and Paranormal: auras, reiki, energy techniques..etc.)
My INFP dad loves thinking about paranormal activity. He's always watching some Discovery Channel show about crop circles or Big Foot or aliens.

Conversely, I'm a skeptic. My mother is a very practical person who gently pokes fun at people who take themselves too seriously, so she's the one to blame for that. :tongue:
 

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pure faith , noble faith that is trumps all .

paranormal my ass...i loved the movies though paranormal activities .
 
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