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These two types really confuse me!!! What are the major differences?

I know about the streotypes, ISFP is a hipster artist who likes music and dancing, while ISTP is a person who can fix everything and is into cars, sports, hunting and guns.

But when it comes to everyday life...like my own life, I can't tell the difference...Specially when it comes to emotions & feelings.

Cuz again "stereotypically", ISFP is sensitive and emotional, while ISTP is thick skinned, confident and cold.
But what if I'm going through a rough time or some sort of crisis?
What if I'm going through depression?

Then how can I know which one I am?
(Feel free to ask me questions if it helps you type me)!


I sort of know what Se is & how it works. But Idk how it worksl when it's next to Fi or Ti.

So...how would you describe an ISFP girl & an ISTP girl?
 

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@itselly First of all, if you really want to get into MBTI, forget ALL stereotypes you ever hear. Because they're dumb. Functions have nothing to do with your hobbies.

As for Ti vs. Fi discussion, this can be very complicated since they both can act in similar ways. It's much better to focus on Fi vs. Fe and Ti vs. Te differences as Fi-Te and Ti-Fe always go hand in hand.

As for questions:
Do you prefer to express your emotions or not? If so, do you feel better afterwards? Do you need it to deal with your feelings? is it easy to talk about negative feelings or not?

In a group conversation, do you prefer to protect your beliefs and morals or is the peace within group more important? How do you deal with it when someone disagrees with you on something you consider important? Would you say that you have clear idea of right and wrong or are you easily influenced by what others think?

How do you "learn"; do you try to collect as much external (books, internet, advice etc.) information or do you prefer to analyse everything and make your own conclusions? How is it easier for you to learn; to be told how something works directly or to separate the thing into small details and understand them separately?
 

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@Prada , thanks alot for your help!:happy:
@itselly First of all, if you really want to get into MBTI, forget ALL stereotypes you ever hear. Because they're dumb. Functions have nothing to do with your hobbies.

As for Ti vs. Fi discussion, this can be very complicated since they both can act in similar ways. It's much better to focus on Fi vs. Fe and Ti vs. Te differences as Fi-Te and Ti-Fe always go hand in hand.

As for questions:
Do you prefer to express your emotions or not?
■ I generally don't. I usually don't express my emotions & deal with them on my own, even if it means dealing with them forever. Sometimes I talk about what happens in my life with my aunt. But even then, I only talk about things that happen, not how I feel or how I felt when those things happened.
however, I sometimes express feelings of stress, envy, fear or anger about things like exam nights, grades, or some other similar issues like being extremely angry, my plans (college plans or "having fun" plans)getting ruined or cancelled, etc.


If so, do you feel better afterwards?
■I usually don't! even after expressing stress, anger, envy or real happiness to very few close and trusted ppl, I start feeling awkward, vulnerable and embarrased. Idk why but then I try to stay away from that person for a while, & If they try to sympathize or help me, I try to show with them that I don't need their pity (with my attitude or with indirect words).
But I do nag/complain every once in a while!

Do you need it to deal with your feelings?
■sometimes I wonder how my life would be if I trusted ppl more & talked to them about my rough times & problems like what most movie characters do. Idk about future, cuz things change, ppl change. But right now, I don't need to talk to others to be able to deal with feelings. But sometimes I do talk to some trusted ppl for making some decisions. However, when I watch a movie (or real ppl) & see that they're going through something similar, I kinda feel better.


is it easy to talk about negative feelings or not?
■not really ! even when I feel negative or depressed, I can't talk about it.

In a group conversation, do you prefer to protect your beliefs and morals or is the peace within group more important? How do you deal with it when someone disagrees with you on something you consider important?
■depends on how close I am to those ppl, & how sad I would get if those ppl stopped liking me.
Usually when I'm around close relatives, family & close friends, I defend what I believe and sometimes try to prove them what i believe is the best. If I'm kinda close to them, I would defend what i believe but I would also mention that this is what "I" believe, but ppl are free to have other opinions.
but If I'm around ppl I'm uncomfortable with, or if I think telling them what I believe would make them say/do things that would hurt or depress me, then I would keep quiet but would probably show my dissatisfaction with body language!


Would you say that you have clear idea of right and wrong or are you easily influenced by what others think?
■idk, depends. I usually don't think about these things. I think ppl can do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt or bother other ppl. I talk to, socialize with, & respect lotsa different ppl with different lifestyles. But I they want to push their lifestyles onto me (especially if it doesn't make sense or if it's too risky or dangerous), I'll be secretly annoyed.
I sometimes judge other ppl, but not in a serious way. I respect ppl "if they respect me! & I respect their choices as long as it does not incolve me (in a negative way).

+& about influence..., sometimes some ppl can kinda influence me if we have some other things in common & if I accept their point of view in the first place.


How do you "learn"; do you try to collect as much external (books, internet, advice etc.) information or do you prefer to analyse everything and make your own conclusions?
■If I really really love and care about the subject, I may collect some external info but I mostly would analyze it myself to see if it makes sense. specially if it's about a belief. But If I don't like or care about it enough, I guess I just go for external info. But analyzing in order to learn, is something I rarely do. Specially if it's about theoretical things.


How is it easier for you to learn; to be told how something works directly or to separate the thing into small details and understand them separately?
■If by "learn" you mean something useful & practical, then I think I would learn more by seeing it first & then doing it myself. I can't learn by only being told how something works.
 

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@itselly In your answers you show strong Fi and Se. Not so strong Te (which makes sense since it's an inferior function for ISFP).

I see big amounts of Fi in the first 6 answers. For you, it's difficult to talk about emotions and you also find it uncomfortable. So you prefer to avoid talking about them in general. You're also willing to fight for what you believe and have your own morals which are more important to you than harmony in a group.

Te is mainly about gaining information from external sources which you do and you also do it to learn things. Compared to that, Ti would learn by taking apart the subject, analysing it and trying to understand the parts separately. Inferior Te usually has a drive for efficiency and can be ambitious.

You also show strong Se in the last answer. You need to process new things by senses (you specifically mentioned sight) and try it out on your own.

So, I lean to ISFP.
 

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@itselly

Both Fi and Ti are introverted judging functions, so it's understandable that you might get confused. I would recommend that you don't worry about the auxiliary function, but spend some time thinking about your inferior function.

The order of importance is dominant->inferior->auxiliary, with the inferior revealing some of your worst traits. How do you act when you're in a terrible mood? What buttons can people push to make you angry, sad, etc.? Ti-Fe and Fi-Te can look very different.

As a Ti-dom, my inferior Fe can make me an absolute bitch. I'll try to meet your social standards, then I'll realize it's really stupid to care about someone else's standards. Screw you, I'll act how I want. But then I'll feel ashamed and suck up to you ... until I resent you because I care what you think. I'll decide that I no longer care, which isn't really true but I can sure as hell act like it. And on and on and on. It's my weak spot. If you ever want to hurt me, Fe is the best weapon.

In contrast, Ti is my safe haven. All I care about is whether I make sense to myself. If an argument satisfies the idea I wanted to explore, then I'm good. If not, I'll keep thinking about it until I've found a solution. Other opinions barely register because I'm only trying to please myself. You can't hurt me there.

That's the mark of a dominant function: total confidence. I don't trust my feelings, so they have a push-pull quality to them. But my thoughts? Those are ME. I imagine that Fi-doms are the opposite. Their feelings (not emotions, but deep convictions) make them who they are. You can't make them doubt what they believe, but forcing them into a rational debate would probably bring out their worst qualities.

Can you relate to either Ti-Fe or Fi-Te? If not, it's possible that you're a different type (maybe Se-dom, since you seem so sure of SP).
 

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These two types really confuse me!!! What are the major differences?

I know about the streotypes, ISFP is a hipster artist who likes music and dancing, while ISTP is a person who can fix everything and is into cars, sports, hunting and guns.

But when it comes to everyday life...like my own life, I can't tell the difference...Specially when it comes to emotions & feelings.

Cuz again "stereotypically", ISFP is sensitive and emotional, while ISTP is thick skinned, confident and cold.
But what if I'm going through a rough time or some sort of crisis?
What if I'm going through depression?

Then how can I know which one I am?
(Feel free to ask me questions if it helps you type me)!


I sort of know what Se is & how it works. But Idk how it worksl when it's next to Fi or Ti.

So...how would you describe an ISFP girl & an ISTP girl?
Happy reading...
Temperament Part 2: The MBTI's 16 types and Cognitive Functions
Understanding the Archetypes involving the eight functions of type (Beebe model)
 

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@itselly

@Coyote, thanks for your help!!!

Both Fi and Ti are introverted judging functions, so it's understandable that you might get confused. I would recommend that you don't worry about the auxiliary function, but spend some time thinking about your inferior function.

The order of importance is dominant->inferior->auxiliary, with the inferior revealing some of your worst traits. How do you act when you're in a terrible mood?
■when I'm in a terrible mood (sadness), I get more withdrawn, I just prefer to lay dawn or sit and think about how miserable and trapped I am. I can't see a good future & all I can think of is negative things! sometimes sensory things like browsing pictures of food, doing picture quizzes or going downtown can make me not think about it for a while, but it doesn't mean that the problem's solved or that I'm out of that mood. Music can make me feel worse! although I love music, Whenever I'm sad/depressed & I listen to music, (Idk how to say it but...) I kind of have a mental video clip of all the bad things that has happened to me, all my limitations,regrets, etc, just like a dramatic movie or one of those touching videos singers have for their music videos. & then I start feeling lonely, unloved, scared of future, awkward, alone, left out, etc.

However, if my terrible mood is something like stress (like stress for my grades or failure, or even future) I get totally stressed out, prefer not to show it, but might want to be indirectly around others for a while, if I'm around very close and trusted ppl, I might inform them that I'm having stress and I'm disappointed of future. & then after that phase, I start feeling like the first thing I said above!

There is a rare terrible mood that appears when I'm bored. This happens when I have lack of sensory stimulation (going out, travelling, adventure, new food or drinks, etc). Only my very close family members see this side of me. But I get very angry & blunt & critisize others for being lazy or etc and tell them what's in my head (about them) but after a while I regret it.

@itselly
What buttons can people push to make you angry, sad, etc.? Ti-Fe and Fi-Te can look very different.
■angry?
by telling me what to do and limiting me!
by asking for my help and not returning it or not thanking me!
by not returning the money they borrowed!
by not being outdoorsy

■Sad?
by not including me (excluding me & making me feel left out or unloved)
by gossiping behind my back
by giving me cold stares or being rude to me
by mentally abusing me!



■I think I can relate to a bit of both. for example for what you said about Fi-Te, I do have some beliefs, some ideas, etc. to me...they might be rational, & some of them might be the result of me,researching about it, analyzing it, or seeing the problems in the society. NO ONE can change my belief or opinions, unless I MYSELF see a new thing about it and then I change my mind. Sometimes I might hide my idea. Or if ppl insist too much, I might even lie to them that I have changed my mind. But then I do what I want to do and believe in what I always believed in.

(For example, you tell me that a religion is good/bad. I don't & wont care about what you said and wont change my opinion, unless I see something in it myself that makes me change my mind...like if it has bad leaders who secretly use ppl, or having too many irrational or limiting beliefs. Or not having a good history, etc.)

Or I have some liberal ideas (like about LGBT rights, abortion rights etc)! NO ONE can change my belief & I might even get secretly angry if I see that ppl don't believe in them. Like when I'm watching a drama series on TV, and the woman secretly decides to keep the baby without his ex/bf knowing or wanting it, or when the bf/husband or others tell the pregnant woman that she should keep the baby even though she doesn't want to, I start feeling very angry!!!

See these are my beliefs. I'm confident about them, even if I decide that I'm not comfortable about debating them. Or even if I don't openly act on them or mention them to others. NO ONE can make me change them. *but the problem is...Idk if it's Fi-Te or Ti-Fe (or even something else) that guides me in this area.

[MENTION=273754]itselly[/MENTION
Can you relate to either Ti-Fe or Fi-Te? If not, it's possible that you're a different type (maybe Se-dom, since you seem so sure of SP).
■If you think that I might be another type, or if you want to ask more questions, feel free to mention it!
 

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I think I can relate to a bit of both. for example for what you said about Fi-Te, I do have some beliefs, some ideas, etc. to me...they might be rational, & some of them might be the result of me,researching about it, analyzing it, or seeing the problems in the society. NO ONE can change my belief or opinions, unless I MYSELF see a new thing about it and then I change my mind. Sometimes I might hide my idea. Or if ppl insist too much, I might even lie to them that I have changed my mind. But then I do what I want to do and believe in what I always believed in.

(For example, you tell me that a religion is good/bad. I don't & wont care about what you said and wont change my opinion, unless I see something in it myself that makes me change my mind...like if it has bad leaders who secretly use ppl, or having too many irrational or limiting beliefs. Or not having a good history, etc.)

Or I have some liberal ideas (like about LGBT rights, abortion rights etc)! NO ONE can change my belief & I might even get secretly angry if I see that ppl don't believe in them. Like when I'm watching a drama series on TV, and the woman secretly decides to keep the baby without his ex/bf knowing or wanting it, or when the bf/husband or others tell the pregnant woman that she should keep the baby even though she doesn't want to, I start feeling very angry!!!

See these are my beliefs. I'm confident about them, even if I decide that I'm not comfortable about debating them. Or even if I don't openly act on them or mention them to others. NO ONE can make me change them. *but the problem is...Idk if it's Fi-Te or Ti-Fe (or even something else) that guides me in this area.
To be completely honest with you, all of the above screams Fi-Te.

ISTPs don't get angry if people disagree with their beliefs. We don't get snooty and self-righteous if someone else doesn't believe in the same thing we do. Now, if someone gets over-emotional and irrational during a debate and doesn't use logic at all, then we get annoyed.

For the most part, an ISTP may want to understand why the other person disagrees, but that's about it. Our opinions can be changed if new information is given that proves our initial beliefs to be logically inaccurate. We won't hold on to outdated information once it's proven to be incorrect.

That being said, I think you're an ISFP.
 

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Thanks alot @Prada, @Coyote & @Saturnian Devil for answering & helping me! Now I'm kind of sure I'm ISFP.

But I have one more question. It's about inferior function.

ISFP's inf function is Te. Idk if I get it correctly, but shouldn't ISFPs (Te inf)
get really bossy and blunt when they're really sad,depressed or broken?

Cuz I might get abit bossy & blunt around ppl close to me "if I'm bored!"

but when I'm really really sad(not a normal sadness), depressed, broken, failed, etc(grip?) I get emotional, very depressed, quiet, disappointed, I can see no positive future, I lose interest for sensory activities I normally love!, I see myself as a worthless & useless person!

& if it's just emotional or inner issue, I keep it to myself. But if it's about stress, failure, not seeing a positive future & not knowing what to do, I might talk about it (a bit) with someone close to me! & if it's REALLY important & if I'm really hopeless/worried I might lose control of myself and shed afew tears, but I regret it later!

Isn't that inf Fe?
 

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but when I'm really really sad(not a normal sadness), depressed, broken, failed, etc(grip?) I get emotional, very depressed, quiet, disappointed, I can see no positive future, I lose interest for sensory activities I normally love!, I see myself as a worthless & useless person!
& if it's just emotional or inner issue, I keep it to myself. But if it's about stress, failure, not seeing a positive future & not knowing what to do, I might talk about it (a bit) with someone close to me!
I dunno, that just sounds ... human. I'm the same way when I'm depressed. I mean, that's kinda what depression is: Loss of hope in the future, loss of interest in your favorite activities, loss of faith in yourself. I would be more interested in what triggers the depressions, and what you lose in the process.

Are you depressed right now?
 

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ISFP's inf function is Te. Idk if I get it correctly, but shouldn't ISFPs (Te inf)
get really bossy and blunt when they're really sad,depressed or broken?
No. The way ANY function expresses depends on every person. Inferior function can be expressed in multiple ways however, in general it will be weaker than other functions. Your Te shows in the way you learn and collect information. You also seem to be eager to understand your own functions (collecting information to use it - Te rather than collecting for the sake of collecting - Ti).

The way you describe depression is simply how it works. It has nothing to do with functions. Depressions feels that way even if you use Fe-Ti or Ne-Si. It can also cloud your judgement of your functions because it weakens them by making everything bleak and pointless.
 

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Considering you're extremely aware of your own emotional state and verbalize them much better than an ISTP would, that's another thing that leads to me thinking you're ISFP.

And yes you did describe inferior Te and how it sometimes manifests in ISFPs. Doesn't look the same for everyone. Generally speaking, both types might look similar on the surface but beyond that I think there are huge differences in how the inferior function for both types manifests and why. Inferior Te may make unhealthy ISFPs uncharacteristically arrogant and bossy, whereas inferior Fe might make unhealthy ISTPs uncharacteristically overemotional while simultaneously obsessed with logic. It really depends on the individual. Personally, I think the reason why it's sometimes hard to tell which inferior function you have is because both types experience a disinterest with sensory stuff when they are in the grip. Depression, quiet, disappointed. Both SPs feel that.

However enneagram might influence this. Do you know yours? If you have an 8 in your trifix, this might shed some light on why you get aggressive and bossy when you're not in a good spot.
 

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Also I have an ISFP friend and when she's not in a good spot, she doesn't get bossy. She just isolates herself and doesn't really talk to anyone. If she does speak, she sounds dead. Angry? Nope. She sounds more apathetic than anything else.
 

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I dunno, that just sounds ... human. I'm the same way when I'm depressed. I mean, that's kinda what depression is: Loss of hope in the future, loss of interest in your favorite activities, loss of faith in yourself. I would be more interested in what triggers the depressions, and what you lose in the process.

Are you depressed right now?

Yes! One of them is something I prefer not to talk about, but If I want to say it indirectly, I can say that there is something about me (not physical) that I don't like. Sometimes I try to change it or forget about it but I can't. So that makes me feel lonely! However, I keep to myself about it & I deal with it myself.

The other issue is that I got a few bad grades...in some really important courses. & now I have to wait for my other grades but I don't think my other grades are any better. I'm really hopeless & depressed because of it.

Actually, I don't even like what I'm studying. But it's something kinda good and my family seems to like it.
I know I don't really like it, but I still want to continue it. I'm afraid of failure. I don't want to go for something else, even if it's something I'm passionate about...I'm not brave enough for that.
So I want to improve in what i'm studying.
I feel trapped! I feel stuck in this situation!

My kinda bad grades are making me disappointed. Cuz I got these grades in "very very" important courses!


I guess it's these two! There might be other minor factors too! Idk I'm just confused about my depression!
 

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Sounds like you're bored with whatever it is that you are studying, but are mostly doing it because you might not want to disappoint your family. Feel free to correct me if I'm off the mark.

I dunno. But it does sound a lot like you're more concerned about your grades because you're subconsciously worried that your folks might be upset. Which is completely understandable, assuming that's the case.
 

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Sounds like you're bored with whatever it is that you are studying, but are mostly doing it because you might not want to disappoint your family. Feel free to correct me if I'm off the mark.

I dunno. But it does sound a lot like you're more concerned about your grades because you're subconsciously worried that your folks might be upset. Which is completely understandable, assuming that's the case.
Yes! You nailed it! I guess you're right!
 

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Yes! You nailed it! I guess you're right!
I guess your post about that kind of hit home for me because I used to be too worried about keeping the peace that I'd sacrifice my own needs. All that did was make me unhappy in the long run, but then I started doing what I wanted to do. It's hard to just rebel like that sometimes so I understand your dilemma.
 

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Yeah it's hard. & I think @Saturnian Devil , you're so brave for doing that and going for what you're interested in!

Sometimes I want to go for a big change & do what I want to do! But when it comes to taking a step and actually doing it, I get scared.

Cuz although I don't really like what I'm studying, I can't forget about past and how hard I tried for it.
I can't forget about my family, relatives & friends. I don't want to disappoint them & I don't want them to question me in their head!

Also, I don't want to "leave and quit it" due to bad grades or because I "have to"! Then I'm a loser!

That's why I'm upset! It's been a while, so I'd rather continue what I've already started!
 

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Thanks alot @Prada, @Coyote & @Saturnian Devil for answering & helping me! Now I'm kind of sure I'm ISFP.

But I have one more question. It's about inferior function.

ISFP's inf function is Te. Idk if I get it correctly, but shouldn't ISFPs (Te inf)
get really bossy and blunt when they're really sad,depressed or broken?
The Te comes out more when we are cornered, or forced into decisions we are not ready to make, or when too much is going on, and --again--we feel cornered. Otherwise, yeah, I go into myself.

But on the other hand, the stress-reaction of ESFPs would be to shut down more than to get all bossy, intense. Some of this also depends on things like upbringing, age, etc.
 

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The Te comes out more when we are cornered, or forced into decisions we are not ready to make, or when too much is going on, and --again--we feel cornered. Otherwise, yeah, I go into myself.

But on the other hand, the stress-reaction of ESFPs would be to shut down more than to get all bossy, intense. Some of this also depends on things like upbringing, age, etc.
So you suggest that I might be ESFP?
 
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