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You guys reckon there is any link between personality type and political leanings? There's an interesting Ted Talk (here:
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(I was wondering more about the reasons behind people's choices so we don't need to get into big debates here about current politics, although I'm sure inevitably there will be.)
 

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I know there is a tendency for SJs to be more traditionalistic/conservative, and i know ENTPs have a stereotype of anarchistic tendencies/ desire to defy social norms and would logically be more likely to be liberal/libertarian. I myself am a leftist libertarian. Why don't you start a poll or survey for each personality type, chart up the results, and then we can all theorize some meaning within those results.
 

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I'm more of a cynical moderate liberal these days.I couldn't imagine ever being a libertarian. (they come across as so naive to me)
 
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I'm more of a cynical moderate liberal these days.I couldn't imagine ever being a libertarian. (they come across as so naive to me)
So many Libertarians are quite naive. I have the moral and political sense of a leftist libertarian, because I believe in lots of freedom for people, but am anti-corporation and would give less rights to companies, so long as those infringe upon the rights of people, (<- this is obviously a very general overview) but I probably would never vote Libertarian, because I don't think everyone wants that level of freedom, and I'm not sure it's something my country could handle at the moment. Also, most libertarians are part of the libertarian right, all libertarian really means, in a very very very broad sense, is anti-authoritarian, which I see as a good stance to have, but not necessarily the best stance to lead the country by, some people are genuinely happier when they know there are plenty of rules to follow and moral decision have been "made for them" so I feel a need to respect that, as my libertarian ethic spring from the desire for all people to be happy, so in the end I would vote fairly moderate. I guess you could say my stance as a Subjectivist outweighs my beliefs as a leftist libertarian. but, yea, were aren't all naive, but I definitely agree with your saying that we can come across that way.
 

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So many Libertarians are quite naive. I have the moral and political sense of a leftist libertarian, because I believe in lots of freedom for people, but am anti-corporation and would give less rights to companies, so long as those infringe upon the rights of people, (<- this is obviously a very general overview) but I probably would never vote Libertarian, because I don't think everyone wants that level of freedom, and I'm not sure it's something my country could handle at the moment. Also, most libertarians are part of the libertarian right, all libertarian really means, in a very very very broad sense, is anti-authoritarian, which I see as a good stance to have, but not necessarily the best stance to lead the country by, some people are genuinely happier when they know there are plenty of rules to follow and moral decision have been "made for them" so I feel a need to respect that, as my libertarian ethic spring from the desire for all people to be happy, so in the end I would vote fairly moderate. I guess you could say my stance as a Subjectivist outweighs my beliefs as a leftist libertarian. but, yea, were aren't all naive, but I definitely agree with your saying that we can come across that way.
When all the ones you talk to run around calling everyone a statist and complain about taxes. While claiming that a free market will fix everything and that somehow it will make rich people care about poor people. You can see why I don't really take them seriously.
 

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I have a major conflict being a very artistic and open-minded dude in a pretty conservative family. The problem is my family is not religiously conservative, which is a group of people I often find illogical. My family, I think, are objectivists, so are basically the athiest right winger. I have come to consider myself somewhat similar, but when it comes down to choosing a political party or representitive I find it difficult to vote because I disagree with both sides on big issues. I think I suffer from the ENTP behaviour of "seeing both sides".
 
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When all the ones you talk to run around calling everyone a statist and complain about taxes. While claiming that a free market will fix everything and that somehow it will make rich people care about poor people. You can see why I don't really take them seriously.
Well I could point out that you clearly don't understand their position and that they might find you naive for speaking about something that you clearly don't understand. But rather than waste my time on a political debate, maybe I should point out that the OP clearly asked that people try to refrain from making this a political debate, and you can't go two posts without chiming in about how people who disagree with you are naive.
 

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Well I could point out that you clearly don't understand their position and that they might find you naive for speaking about something that you clearly don't understand. But rather than waste my time on a political debate, maybe I should point out that the OP clearly asked that people try to refrain from making this a political debate, and you can't go two posts without chiming in about how people who disagree with you are naive.
I cant help it if ENTP's are drawn to debate, like a whore is to a billionaire.
 
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I cant help it if ENTP's are drawn to debate, like a whore is to a billionaire.
Well I am a whore! :cool: Oh wait, :shocked: you weren't talking about me there. :unsure::laughing:

Seriously though, I don't think anybody has a problem with a bit of civilized debating, but when you start throwing out things like that immediately it basically encourages the thread to get ugly very fast.
 

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@Noisey
"Why don't you start a poll or survey for each personality type, chart up the results, and then we can all theorize some meaning within those results."

Because you'll notice under my avatar it also reads ENTP lol. Way too short an attention span to be dealing with that, I'd love it if someone less fickle did and I could assimilate the knowledge from it thereafter though, if you'd like to volunteer? :p Although I think the demography of PC (mostly young, middle class people from the English speaking world) is way too skewed to generate meaningful results.

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"When all the ones you talk to run around calling everyone a statist and complain about taxes. While claiming that a free market will fix everything and that somehow it will make rich people care about poor people. You can see why I don't really take them seriously."

Although I think those things are bad, libertarians follow certain moral philosophies which legitimate their views in their opinions... Saying they're naive and sidelining them from the debate is probably a bad thing... I'd suggest ignoring their views until you find out why they take that stance, after you go through all the John Locke crap, etc. and attack them at the core of their values instead of dismissing their surface worldview as infantile.

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Actually I knew this would happen and as long as someone posts anything meaningful in here I don't really mind watching the thread turn into a huge debate. Even if I don't find out what I was originally trying to get at...
 

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Former communist here, and I have to say that libertarians can be naive, but the whole ordeal with economic liberalism makes a lot of sense from a market standpoint.
 

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Former communist here, and I have to say that libertarians can be naive, but the whole ordeal with economic liberalism makes a lot of sense from a market standpoint.
Can I just say that Argentina and Iceland opened up their markets to deregulated corporatism and both got fucked, while India and China have the fastest growing economies and operate the tightest regulation on markets in the world... In my mind people saying "Yeah but Argentina and Iceland didn't go COMPLETELY free-market so you can't generalise" is like saying if someone completely stopped during a race they'd actually win. Trends don't usually reverse at the extremes. Laissez-faire economics is being discredited every day.
 

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I've often argued a point of view similar to haidt's (probably because I've read a lot of the same literature). Babies get reciprocity, and empathy pretty early, and that serves as the basis for most of the morals we have. As we get older, we all have varying loyalties, even those of us who like to feel our team is "the other team", "no team", etc... One of the big differences in these basic morals, that I see in life is those with highly developed feelings of disgust, vs people like me who generally view it as secondary. In that sense, I'm pretty liberal.

However, my head calculations tend to show the importance of teams, of the usefulness of wisdom and age, and the reasons that authority in and of itself isn't a bad thing. Toss in the fact that most of my interactions are with people who believe we have too much of the above, and viola, I turn into a conservative, or at least an apologist for them, as I only infrequently see them make an attempt at an intellectual justification.

I really like his idea of a moral matrix, and why we're all stuck in it. Then again, of course I do, because it fits in why my own personal preconceptions, and how I interpret others actions.

This is why my overwhelming theory in dealing with people is to try to do things in a "downhill" direction when I'm actually trying to convince someone, making it such that they will do all the justifications for their acts out of their own personal idiom. This, of course, is opposed to debate, where I tend to just try to present opposite worldviews, in the hopes that a few of them stick, since I'm a hundred percent certain I'm not changing anyone's position.
 

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You guys reckon there is any link between personality type and political leanings? There's an interesting Ted Talk about the differences in types of morality between left and right-wingers. I was wondering if anyone had any insights or data about how personality factors into it.

(I was wondering more about the reasons behind people's choices so we don't need to get into big debates here about current politics, although I'm sure inevitably there will be.)
very interesting thread

i used to pick the side wich i could benefit the most.
i mean if i was poor i would choose the politcal side which help the most poor people. if i was rich i'll choose the side wich give me the most benefits.
In fact, i didn't have political values. if my country would be too bad for me, i'll probably leave it.

for me, there's a lot of good and bad things in every political side.
now, i don't vote anymore. i just don't care.
because, i don't want to be that guy who's fighting against people who are not in the same political side. i mean; i think that, everybody is probably right and wrong at the same time about political things.

i prefer to be that guy which any political side will never affect his life; because he knows what to do, to be on top of everything even if his countrie is, conservative/ liberal/ libertarian or what ever.

i just want to benefit the most from everything, in any given situation! in economics we call people like me: free riders.
maybe i'm not the only ENTP free rider...
 

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I'm a democratic socialist progressive.

The free market is a waste of time; humans could be doing better things with their skills than exchanging abstract notions of capital around to ensure that certain groups stay disenfranchised. Let's just make sure everyone is fed and taken care of a free to chose WHATEVER path they want.

No matter how much you tax them, there will always be people willing to go out and try to make money. They can have fun doing that while the rest of us are sharing and finding cures for cancer.
 
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