In socionics, the INFj (Fi, Ne) is a judger. When you do tests in mbti and socioncs they will test if you're a judger or perceiver. If you are a perceiver in mbti you will get INFP (Fi, Ne) and in socionics the perceiver will get INFp (Ni, Fe).I got INFp every time I took socionics test even though people say that INFj is the right result for INFP. I don't understand why then.
It's like a more advanced version of MBTI, takes at least a year or two to cover it thoroughly while MBTI can be learned in a few weeks-months. It's better to wait and read through the profiles carefully before making a decision on type. The tests are said to be only like 50-70% accurate so at least a third up to half of those who take them don't get their exact types.I have just discovered Socionics and don't completely understand how it works. It sounds like an even more complicated version of MBTI. I am an MBTI INTP but a socionics ENTp. I took a test telling me my type, but I won't say for sure if I'm an ENTp until I type myself.
For some reason, I get 80% J on MBTI tests and am close to 50/50 on Socionics, with a slight preference to j. Reading about the types more and how the cognitive functions present themselves, I am pretty sure that I am an MBTI INTJ and Socionics ILI.In socionics, the INFj (Fi, Ne) is a judger. When you do tests in mbti and socioncs they will test if you're a judger or perceiver. If you are a perceiver in mbti you will get INFP (Fi, Ne) and in socionics the perceiver will get INFp (Ni, Fe).
You get INFp because neither of the tests are good at spoting cognitive functions, they are just good at spotting generic dichotomies such as introverted vs extraverted, judger vs perceiver, etc...
I'm curious (mainly because it really is hard to imagine someone that severely J who relates to ILI the best) - which parts of the irrational dichotomy do you relate to? And have you looked through not only LII, but also LSI and LIE?For some reason, I get 80% J on MBTI tests and am close to 50/50 on Socionics, with a slight preference to j. Reading about the types more and how the cognitive functions present themselves, I am pretty sure that I am an MBTI INTJ and Socionics ILI.
There are a few different factors. One is the quadra; I identify a lot more with characteristics of the gamma quadra than the alpha quadra.I'm curious (mainly because it really is hard to imagine someone that severely J who relates to ILI the best) - which parts of the irrational dichotomy do you relate to? And have you looked through not only LII, but also LSI and LIE?
Same goes for vulnerable Fe:The individual often criticizes others' views from a logical standpoint, picking apart statements and postulates and showing that they are logically flawed. However, he does not choose to do this excessively and does not expect that reality can be accurately expressed in a neat logical systematic anyway.
though suggestive Fe is also a reasonable fit on a couple of points.The individual tries hard to never let himself "come apart at the seams" emotionally or even let out strong feelings publicly, because displays of passion do not come naturally and make him feel self-consciousness and vulnerable to painful criticism. This makes the individual generally seem emotionally neutral and politely indifferent to excitement and agitation around him. The individual deeply dislikes attempts by others to get him to "cheer up" or "join the fun", especially in the context of group activities with loud emotional expression.
My take on this depends on what we speak of in terms of worldly affairs. I feel quite tethered to the affairs of my own life, but I also have a substantial level of responsibility in my life and find it necessary for my own purposes to rigorously structure my affairs. When it comes to things happening in the news, I always feel a level of removal from them that is not typical of the people around me. That point of confusion aside, this is a good one for me, and I will often find myself criticizing people for ignoring future trends that I personally perceive as being obvious. I will take on aspects of demonstrative Ni if I am listening to a friend's futurology, but part of the point of it being a subdued information element is that one does not seek to use it and I believe that I do.As a base function, Ni generally manifests itself through a lack of direct attention to the world around oneself, and a sense of detachment or freedom from worldly affairs. This can lead to a highly developed imagination and very unique mental world, but it can also result in a great deal of laziness and apparent inactivity. Because the individual gets his or her primary information about the world through imagination, a person with base Ni may be able to thrive in situations where data are scarce, or where he or she lacks the usual prerequisite experience. However, this may also become a disadvantage if the person ignores real data about the world too much. The ability to transcend the axis of time and understand the cause and effect relationships that occur is also a feature, sometimes resulting in the ability to accurately predict general future trends and outcomes of certain events.
This is funny to me, since yesterday I criticized someone quite harshly for making up a number that was, admittedly, roughly accurate and I made a point about how I don't believe in just making figures up to support what happens to be ideologically convenient. My ideas are borne from my imagination, but when challenged I instinctively need factual information to answer that challenge.It is manifested as a preference for factual accuracy over ideological consistency, and for objective, "harsh" communication over careful words that avoid a negative atmosphere. A view of the external environment being efficient, reasonable, and making sense is essential to their well-being and sense of inner peace, but they do not feel a pressing need for being proactive or productive themselves in that area.
Answering these for myself:Rationals
(Also called shizotymes in early socionics literature)
1. Tend to plan ahead, make decisions early.
2. Are more often rigid and stubborn.
3. Do not like to change their decisions.
4. Tend to finish what they started.
5. Usually have stiff movements.
6. Usually more 'authoritarian' leadership style.
7. Low stress tolerance.
(Also called cyclotymes in early socionics literature)
1. Tend to wait and see, more spontaneous.
2. Are more often flexible and tolerant.
3. Change their decisions frequently.
4. Tend to start new things without finishing them.
5. Usually have gentle movements.
6. Usually more 'democratic' leadership style.
7. High stress tolerance.