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How do you relate to PoLR descriptions?

  • Description of my PoLR fits me almost perfectly. I strongly relate to it!

    Votes: 39 34.2%
  • I relate to two PoLRs, which are descriptions of my weakest 1D functions (PoLR and Suggestive).

    Votes: 25 21.9%
  • I can see myself in two different PoLR descriptions (other than your PoLR and Suggestive)

    Votes: 16 14.0%
  • I relate to more than two PoLR descriptions.

    Votes: 23 20.2%
  • I don't see myself in any of the PoLR descriptions. Nothing fits me at all.

    Votes: 11 9.6%

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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
Taken from here - source.

Area of discomfort
PoLR is the most vulnerable spot in the Model A. Information on PoLR aspects is acquired slowly, superficially, in small portions and is assimilated very poorly. It is difficult for a person not only to acquire incoming information but also to store it. Person quickly forgets what they've been told a few minutes ago and can not separate out important information from the unimportant. Even a small portion of information through the PoLR aspect is processed with great difficulty. Request for information on the PoLR aspect is seen as a bulldoze, coercion and a direct pressure. In some cases even an offer of help becomes a stress factor.

IEE and SEE (Ti PoLR)
feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them to admit:
- That they do not understand something;
- That their words do not match with the facts;
- That they are incapable of explaining something clearly;
- That there are inconsistencies in their worldviews, theories, concepts;
- That they are not able to consolidate data in order to bring it to a common structure;
- That they have nothing to say on the subject matter in question.

SEI and IEI (Te PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them to admit:
- That they do not have the necessary knowledge and skills;
- They do not know that in fact they are not able to display an active business attitude;
- They do not understand the rules of management, principles of operation;
- They do not understand the fitness of things, i.e. how external events are connected with things happening around them;
- They do not know how to optimize, calculate efficiency.

ILE and SLE (Fi PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To openly express their attitude to other people or to something in general at all;
- To describe their relationships, to give an ethical evaluation concerning events;
- To be diplomatic, indulgent, good-natured and sympathetic;
- To say honestly what they really think and feel.

ILI and SLI (Fe PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To express their emotions;
- To explain intricacies of relationships that exist between people within certain group;
- To create a positive atmosphere, to get along with the right people, to make oneself agreeable;
- To conform to social expectations.

LIE and EIE (Si PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To feel physical discomfort, especially when they are sick;
- To admit that they look unhealthy, caught a cold, etc .;
- To describe their sensations from eating, to appreciate taste, smell etc.;
- To be soft, gentle and affectionate.

LII and EII (Se PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To go against their will or contrary to their principles;
- To show strength, to put pressure on somebody, while realizing that they can't do it at the moment;
- To achieve certain goal going against their principles and wishes;
- Not to give any sign that they are hurt, tired or feel uncomfortable.

ESE and LSE (Ni PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To become stuck in their memories, patiently wait for the more favorable circumstances;
- To put up with the fact that they are running out of time, or they are under time pressure;
- To recognize that they are short of time;
- To recognize that they are self-contradictory and need to achieve a calmer inner state.

LSI and ESI (Ne PoLR) experience severe discomfort in a situation that forces them:
- To be in a completely unexpected and unpredictable situations;
- To draw conclusions about the possible outcome of the event, without the prior knowledge and experience with similar situations;
- To summarize previous experience and create something entirely new on its basis;
- To adopt unconventional and multivariate, open-ended decisions.
 

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@Cryo: It's nice to see the PoLR attitudes outlined in such a way. Could you also add the source of this information?

I don't really see anything that I disagree with, though. Seems to be fairly accurate based on my understanding of the theories -- Thanks for bringing this to the table.
 

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@Cryo: It's nice to see the PoLR attitudes outlined in such a way. Could you also add the source of this information?

I don't really see anything that I disagree with, though. Seems to be fairly accurate based on my understanding of the theories -- Thanks for bringing this to the table.
Thanks.
Source added, it's in Russian though.
So use it at your discretion.:kitteh:
 

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Thanks for translating. I can't read Russian.

About the descriptions, I don't agree with everything in a literal sense. I also have some questions, maybe somebody can answer them in detail.




IEE and SEE (Ti PoLR)
feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them to admit:
- That they have nothing to say on the subject matter in question. (Can you explain why this belongs to Ti PoLR? I'm thinkin that this is only in the case of rational and complcated subject matters?)

ILE and SLE (Fi PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To say honestly what they really think and feel. (Being an extravert with Ti as the creative function it seems to me that they would have no problem expressing what they really think. Why would the thinking be part of Fi PoLR?)

ILI and SLI (Fe PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To create a positive atmosphere, to get along with the right people, to make oneself agreeable; (I agree with the former and latter, only the middle statement is vague enough to be a hit and miss. What does it mean to 'get along with the right people'?)

ESE and LSE (Ni PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To recognize that they are short of time; (So Ni has a lot to do with time? Not saying I disagree.)
- To recognize that they are self-contradictory and need to achieve a calmer inner state. (Could you give an example of this? Is this a good example: 'I dislike smokers, I smoke socially, I really like myself?'
Hope I can get some answers. I know this stuff isn't easy, especially when you're translating an article from somebody who doesn't even explain his reasoning.
 

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Thanks for translating. I can't read Russian.

About the descriptions, I don't agree with everything in a literal sense. I also have some questions, maybe somebody can answer them in detail.
I think I can explain the ILE/SLE PoLR confusion, at least. Well, I hope. I dunno. This is how I understand it:

A lot of the time, feeling and thinking tends to coincide to some extent. Enough that, as an ILE, I can be confused as to whether it's what I'm thinking, or what I'm feeling, and even if it's both, or either, I still have difficulty explaining to others what my actual feelings/thoughts are about certain things.

Particularly if it's connected to personal ethical evaluations, or my dislike/like of something/someone, or just admitting something that I'd prefer not to admit. Especially the person I'm speaking to is much, much better at these subjects.

It puts me in an uncomfortable situation.

You could easily say that, by my saying the above, I'm saying what I'm thinking. But, technically, aren't we always saying what we're thinking or feeling, at least partially?

The thing is, I prefer to be ambiguous about my thoughts and feelings. I don't like to put out certainties, because I'm never really certain. I'm always changing my mind/feelings. So, when someone asks me for a hard opinion on something, black or white, I shirk. It's almost like... I don't want to be responsible for my thought or feeling.

I guess it's kinda complicated, and I could be way off.

I dunno. *shudder*

Take that as you will-- I'm fairly sure I'm Alpha, but my husfiend believes me to be Ti-PoLR, and thus.. Not Fi-PoLR. :proud:
 

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I honestly don't find any of these to be really describe me in any way? I just don't think these descriptions are evocative enough, or something. Then again other people like it, so I'd like to understand what's going on there.

I guess I can't really stand the fact that none of my thoughts are really coherent or consistent. Because I seem to cause massive levels of confusion between the people I talk to, and it all gets bungled up with me trying to explain it. That and the fact that I have no real self-examination skills, completely unable to pin-point anything about myself. Outside of a general tendency of being kind of a vain glorious dick.

Actually rereading this. I related to Ti-PoLR the most. I still don't think the descriptions really capture the POLR though.
 

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On Fe and Ni PoLR.
ILI and SLI (Fe PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To create a positive atmosphere, to get along with the right people, to make oneself agreeable; (I agree with the former and latter, only the middle statement is vague enough to be a hit and miss. What does it mean to 'get along with the right people'?)
Another way to explain it is that ILI and SLI aren't good with being charming in a Fe way in order to make friends with people who are seen as being useful in some way. Or alternatively, they have difficulty with establishing and manipulation of emotional bonds with people of interest when it is required to be emotionally charismatic/charming/attractive in order to get acquainted with the right/useful/beneficial people.

ESE and LSE (Ni PoLR) feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them:
- To recognize that they are short of time; (So Ni has a lot to do with time? Not saying I disagree.)
- To recognize that they are self-contradictory and need to achieve a calmer inner state. (Could you give an example of this? Is this a good example: 'I dislike smokers, I smoke socially, I really like myself?'
Concerning the first red excerpt - yes, Socionics makes a really BIG deal out of connection Ni with time.
On the latter - I think it's something to do with Ni and introspection and that Ni PoLR isn't supposed to fancy scrutinized heart-searching. So, as they tend to put away these things for later permanently, they frequently have unresolved internal tensions and contradictions.
 

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I ranked them in order from most PoLR to least PoLR for me: Ni>Te>Ti>Se>Ne>Fe>Si>Fi

I don't think this necessarily has anything to do with Ni, but lately I constantly feel pressured by time and it's awful. I can't relax. I can't do my homework because every time I start it, I immediately think about how much of it there is and how long and painful it will be. But then if I don't do it, it'll be that much worse having to do it later under greater time pressure. I feel like time moves way too fast.
 

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Regarding the Se POLR description, wouldn't being forced to go against one's will, principles, wishes, ect., make anyone uncomfortable?
In the context of higher and valued Se there's an emphasis on ability to put one's personal principles, wishes and discomfort, that are irrelevant at the moment, aside and to concentrate on the goal and obtain it. So, it stands to reason that Se PoLR will have difficulties with doing so.

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Besides Fe I really do relate to Ne PoLR. It makes me eather Beta or an ethical ego with Se creative and both options mean that my life was a lie ><.
And there's also Se PoLR that as usual rings a bell.

Sigh to never-ending uncertainty...
 

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Interesting read, albeit I can't relate to any of these PoLR's.. Maybe a bit to Fe, I guess. I would relate to Si PoLR massively, if Si would be defined in Socionics same way as it is in MBTI.
 

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Would be nice if there were a way to actually test for PoLRs, since descriptions often aren't enough. Or strong/weak functions in general. I guess the closest thing would be to interact with people who have your PoLR as their base. I wonder if a thread could be made for that purpose...the real Supervision Thread. :tongue:
Would be nice if you could just take a blood test, and BAM.

"It's confirmed. You're actually an ESTj."

No one could ever tell you that you were mistyped, and you would forever know how you measured up to others based on these psychological theories.

Then you could have interesting discussions instead of trying to type people.
 

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I guess the closest thing would be to interact with people who have your PoLR as their base. I wonder if a thread could be made for that purpose...the real Supervision Thread. :tongue:
It would be really interesting to interact with people who have my PoLR as their base, but we have to know somehow that they are really those types as their labels indicate.

I knew only one or two Fe egos with all of them being Fe-Si. Never met my supposed EIE conflictor IRL. Fe egos seem to be truly rare in my area, and Fe-Ni is impossible to find.
Conflictors please come my way!
 

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It would be really interesting to interact with people who have my PoLR as their base, but we have to know somehow that they are really those types as their labels indicate.

I knew only one or two Fe egos with all of them being Fe-Si. Never met my supposed EIE conflictor IRL. Fe egos seem to be truly rare in my area, and Fe-Ni is impossible to find.
Conflictors please come my way!
I've seen some EIEs on the forum. I wonder how much type-related conflicts can occur on the forum as opposed to IRL. What if I were to make a thread that encourages type-related conflicts? That involves interaction intended to reveal cognition? Like a new form of typing that doesn't rely on questionnaires, that involves members testing other members' functions to see if they are strong or weak. Hmm. Wonder if anyone else thinks that might work.
 

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I've seen some EIEs on the forum. I wonder how much type-related conflicts can occur on the forum as opposed to IRL. What if I were to make a thread that encourages type-related conflicts? That involves interaction intended to reveal cognition? Like a new form of typing that doesn't rely on questionnaires, that involves members testing other members' functions to see if they are strong or weak. Hmm. Wonder if anyone else thinks that might work.
Interesting.

But, you'd need 8 or more people, verified to be the base in each of the 8 functions. That alone is a bit of trouble.

And then there's how the flavours of the other functions play out-- The creative's colouration of the base, for example.

Then there's this idea of subtypes which many people seem to cling to, that may or may not play a role. (I doubt it does, but for argument's sake.)

Also, how do you detect, another example: Ti in writing, really? Or, maybe any function which is introverted in direction?

In my own experience, Ti certainly colours my Ne-- But, normally it's in the form of possibility-oriented questions. My Ne stirs up chaos and trouble, then I analyze and categorize things based on that initial interest. But, the understanding is normally internal, and I doubt it shows as well in writing as it does for a Ti base, for example.

Nothing appears inherently clear in terms of psychological conflict, in writing. At least not to me. Maybe because I'm naturally focused on the object anyway, so I really only have a mind to skim the surface before moving on.

This is why I like typing with Quadras. At least this becomes clear-- We narrow down your preferred functions, and refinement can come later. And preferably by someone other than me.
 

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Taken from here - source.

IEE and SEE (Ti PoLR)
feel very uncomfortable in a situation that forces them to admit:
- That they do not understand something;
- That their words do not match with the facts;
- That they are incapable of explaining something clearly;
- That there are inconsistencies in their worldviews, theories, concepts;
- That they are not able to consolidate data in order to bring it to a common structure;
- That they have nothing to say on the subject matter in question.
This is ridiculously apt! I get so defensive in these situations and I really have no idea how to get out of them gracefully, lol.

I also relate somewhat to Se PoLR, probably because of social anxiety, and Ne PoLR, cause I'm a 6, perhaps :p
 

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Interesting.

But, you'd need 8 or more people, verified to be the base in each of the 8 functions. That alone is a bit of trouble.
People can always be summoned. I'm sure there are enough people on the forum. The only types that would really be absent are ESE and LSE.

Also, how do you detect, another example: Ti in writing, really? Or, maybe any function which is introverted in direction?

In my own experience, Ti certainly colours my Ne-- But, normally it's in the form of possibility-oriented questions. My Ne stirs up chaos and trouble, then I analyze and categorize things based on that initial interest. But, the understanding is normally internal, and I doubt it shows as well in writing as it does for a Ti base, for example.
Introverted functions can be detected in writing. As an example of Ti, the other day someone responded to one of my posts and seemed to be picking apart the wording and thinking about etymology and definitions. I felt that he was not talking about the meaning I intended to convey, but about his own subjective reaction to my words. That's introversion devaluing the object.

As long as people voice their thought processes and not just the finished product, introverted functions can be just as visible as extraverted ones.

I think Ti and Fi might come out in ethical debates, but it's not always easy to tell. In this thread though, people could ask questions to test someone's understanding of a particular function, and ability to use it. And these questions could come from people who actually have that as their base function, which potentially gives an advantage over questionnaires.
 
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