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Doesn't necessarily have to be a rant, just any opinion you have that people normally wouldn't expect from your type. I'll go first. This is going to be a bit hyperbolic by the way, so don't take it too seriously.



I'm not sure how many other INTPs feel this way, but I really hate nerd culture. As much as I love comics, books, and a few other nerdy things, internet nerd culture is one of my least favorite things about Gen-Y. I never spent much time hanging out with the stereotypical frat boys/popular students but I would much rather hang out with them than the typical ironic T-shirt wearing blow-hard that posts videos on YouTube to show everyone how angry they are about people not using your/you're correctly. It's like they think that their pedantry elevates them above the masses somehow. It really is one of the dumbest forms of elitism imaginable.

Nerd culture also sucks because of the inclination to continuously to prove that nerds are "the good guys." This results in parroting the ethical values of their time despite how much they like to think of themselves as "free thinkers." This is shown in how the stereotypical Gen-X nerd prided themselves on never drinking, having promiscuous sex, or doing drugs. Now that societal values have changed, typical Millennial "nerds" like to share Upworthy videos hoping their mildly attractive feminist female friends will notice how compassionate and progressive they are. I get it, you're all exemplary and compassionate human beings despite your social obliviousness. Take your medal and shut up already.

Throw atheism into the mix, and they get even more obnoxious. The most annoying thing about religious demonstrations is not the crap the fundamentalists spew, but the unfunny and overused jokes that non-religious people will shout out in an attempt to counter-protest. "I'll get on my knees for Jesus! hur hur." Shut up. Using the most trite forms blasphemy imaginable against radical fringe groups that the majority of your country/community hates anyways does not make you some sort of rebel or iconoclast.

Lastly, no I am not going to watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I'm sure it was really hilarious movie at one point in time. It doesn't matter though, its ruined. Its ruined by people who quoted it every time they wanted to be funny yet didn't have any jokes of their own so had to borrow them from their favorite movie instead.
 

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Ok. Sorry ISTPs, but really, what is up with us and power tools? Seriously.

Stereotypically we're the mechanics, the craftsmen, the engineers - but really, I think that's kind of....boring. I could think of a million better things to do with one's time than standing over an engine, or carving wood :/

I've seen that many ISTPs actually know quite a lot about mechanical systems, but we never are talked about for being decent at anything else. (Interest wise I am apparently not an ISTP)

For example, I like poetry like NFs, and being stupidly impulsive like Se-doms. But mechanical systems? - hell nah. I feel (yes, feel) that ISTPs actually have some odd and unusual view points when we actually apply Ti-Se to fields that don't usually draw Ti-Se.

ISTP's stereotype should consist of more than grouchy old man mechanic and bad-ass assassin.
 

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I still don't get what they mean by Introverted Intuition being "psychics". I can't read the future; I might be able to know what's predictable, but this world can be very unpredictable at times and that's both entertaining and upsetting.

My head's always in the clouds too much to be considered organized, though I would like things to be neat and orderly. I have a bad sense of time because of this as well.

I think they exaggerate our abilities a little too much... Am I the only INFJ that thinks this way?
 
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I mostly agree. I think nerd culture started out as quirky people being proud of their quirky interests, but it quickly morphed into what I'd describe as: People being incredibly impressed with themselves for liking very likable things. Best example: Whovians.
Also, big atheist here. Still get really annoyed by one-liners that get repeated over and over again, like "sky fairy" or "zombie Jesus." I just don't get the point of talking this way since it's more likely to make the other side believe more strongly. I mean, who has ever changed sides in a debate because they felt insulted.

About feminist guys: how do you know they're not sincere? Men are a very important ally to feminism and it kind of sucks when they can't do that without it being assumed that it's just to get laid more.

You should watch Monty Python's Meaning of Life. Much less watched and less quoted and, imo, way funnier.

I don't have a rant...more like a pet peeve: Most INTPs aren't like this, but there are always a few that come around every so often and try to INTP the shit out of everyone over every little thing.
"Well your point can't possibly be true because I'm going to take your words 100% literally and ignore the connotative meanings that everyone else here immediately understands. Their brains aren't as sophisticated as mine." *continues to nitpick at unimportant parts of the argument, as if purposely trying to misunderstand everyone to feel superior.
 

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INTPs I understand my brethren, life is different for us. But the why overdo it? Why do you need to try to prove a point to everyone else about it? That picture of Einstein wearing women's shoes, that's what I'm talking about. We know you're an individualist, we know you're different, we know that you don't give a crap if you wear those shoes. But why rub it in everyone's face? I'd say wear pajamas, don't buy a dress just to prove that you don't care about societal norms. You know that wearing a dress is less comfortable don't you? Why ignore it that just to prove a point to the people whose norms you don't even care about? It's pointless. It's not all INTPs who may do this but these things may happen.
 

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I mostly agree. I think nerd culture started out as quirky people being proud of their quirky interests, but it quickly morphed into what I'd describe as: People being incredibly impressed with themselves for liking very likable things. Best example: Whovians.
Also, big atheist here. Still get really annoyed by one-liners that get repeated over and over again, like "sky fairy" or "zombie Jesus." I just don't get the point of talking this way since it's more likely to make the other side believe more strongly. I mean, who has ever changed sides in a debate because they felt insulted.

About feminist guys: how do you know they're not sincere? Men are a very important ally to feminism and it kind of sucks when they can't do that without it being assumed that it's just to get laid more.

You should watch Monty Python's Meaning of Life. Much less watched and less quoted and, imo, way funnier.

I don't have a rant...more like a pet peeve: Most INTPs aren't like this, but there are always a few that come around every so often and try to INTP the shit out of everyone over every little thing.
"Well your point can't possibly be true because I'm going to take your words 100% literally and ignore the connotative meanings that everyone else here immediately understands. Their brains aren't as sophisticated as mine." *continues to nitpick at unimportant parts of the argument, as if purposely trying to misunderstand everyone to feel superior.
On your pet peeve, I think it's sometimes funny though because when you read those description saying that INTPs are hairsplitting nit-pickers in debate, you don't really notice it until either you've debated one or someone has told you that you're doing it. But I'm more tolerant toward it because sometimes I do it myself. It does feel more natural than shooting out a more exaggerated and imprecise statement out there. I've done that but I always regret that someone might realize what I said wasn't as obvious as I made it sound in one sentence without the little nuances of meaning. If it's excessive it can be annoying but usually I'd tolerate it and try to get on that level instead of saying "you don't even understand my argument". I would rather get on that level and answer those questions.
 

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On your pet peeve, I think it's sometimes funny though because when you read those description saying that INTPs are hairsplitting nit-pickers in debate, you don't really notice it until either you've debated one or someone has told you that you're doing it. But I'm more tolerant toward it because sometimes I do it myself. It does feel more natural than shooting out a more exaggerated and imprecise statement out there. I've done that but I always regret that someone might realize what I said wasn't as obvious as I made it sound in one sentence without the little nuances of meaning. If it's excessive it can be annoying but usually I'd tolerate it and try to get on that level instead of saying "you don't even understand my argument". I would rather get on that level and answer those questions.
For sure. I've done it to an extent as well and I'm usually fine with it when arguing with other INTPs. But every now and then you get that one that's going overboard trying to win an argument on an unnecessarily technical technicality. I split hairs when I genuinely want to understand the concept/debate, but I've seen others split hairs just for the sake of showing off their hair-splitting abilities.
 

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For sure. I've done it to an extent as well and I'm usually fine with it when arguing with other INTPs. But every now and then you get that one that's going overboard trying to win an argument on an unnecessarily technical technicality. I split hairs when I genuinely want to understand the concept/debate, but I've seen others split hairs just for the sake of showing off their hair-splitting abilities.
Now, how exactly do you know why they are hairsplitting from your own perspective and without even asking them why they do it? :tongue: Ah it's good, you don't have to answer that.
 

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My friends in my dorm building gotta accept the fact that I need sufficient alone time. If I would rather spend the night in my room rather than the common room with everyone else, it doesn't mean I'm sick or upset, I just need time for myself and my thoughts. Although I love being the center of attention at parties and other social gatherings, I also prefer to avoid human contact a few nights a week.

Another thing - offensive jokes about race and other people's cultures aren't funny. Period. Neither are jokes about women or rape. I can take some jokes pretty far and come off as blunt or offensive, but there are some topics I avoid for the sake of human decency.
 

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As an INFP, I can barely stand the INFP stereotype of someone who throws out a lot of cheesy, flowery rhetoric and ideals that have zero practicality. Thank goodness that few people truly embody that, however; there are always nutters, regardless of type.

Case in point: I frequent an IRC channel for #INFPs, and there is this one older gentleman who frequently bemoans the state of the world. He likes to comment that things should be this way, or that way, never stopping to acknowledge that the world is just not an ideal place--every "solution" has its drawbacks, and the sweeping changes he would like to make would only create a whole new set of problems! I'm all for idealism, but serve it up with a generous side of common sense and realism, please. Harrumph. ; )
 

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I'd like to know who declared Monty Pythons for nerds? I mean, my parents aren't nerds and brought me up watching reruns of that tv show and the movies. My parents were watching back in the 70's and most of these guys were just kids on another continent and had never even heard of Monty Pythons. I'm younger than a lot of these guys and I was watching it before they were. But they correct me? Worse still is when they've corrected my quotes. I didn't have any kids tapes and children's tv was only on in the afternoons. The only tapes we had were Monty Pythons recordings and Jaws. I have John Cleese's architects' rant down pat the way a kid with too much time on their hands will watch the same thing over and over again until they get right, because I was a kid watching it over and over again until I had it.

"Yes, well, of course, this is just the sort blinkered philistine pig ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage. You sit there on your loathsome, spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss about the struggling artist. (shouting) You excrement! You lousy hypocritical whining toadies with your lousy colour TV sets and your Tony Jacklin golf clubs and your bleeding masonic handshakes! You wouldn't let me join, would you, you blackballing bastards. Well I wouldn't become a freemason now if you went down on your lousy, stinking, purulent knees and begged me."

Monty Pythons doesn't belong to nerd culture. It's British.
 

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I mostly agree. I think nerd culture started out as quirky people being proud of their quirky interests, but it quickly morphed into what I'd describe as: People being incredibly impressed with themselves for liking very likable things. Best example: Whovians.
Also, big atheist here. Still get really annoyed by one-liners that get repeated over and over again, like "sky fairy" or "zombie Jesus." I just don't get the point of talking this way since it's more likely to make the other side believe more strongly. I mean, who has ever changed sides in a debate because they felt insulted.
Exactly. I will say though that seeing so many other atheists act like morons is a good reminder that being non-religious doesn't make you smart.

About feminist guys: how do you know they're not sincere? Men are a very important ally to feminism and it kind of sucks when they can't do that without it being assumed that it's just to get laid more.
That part was meant to be more hyperbolic, but it has more to do with following what other people feel is righteous, not necessarily getting laid. The spectrum of ideologies of people who call themselves "feminist" are so broad that they really can only be judged individually.

You should watch Monty Python's Meaning of Life. Much less watched and less quoted and, imo, way funnier.
I might give that one a try then, since I am kind of a sucker for philosophical junk.

I don't have a rant...more like a pet peeve: Most INTPs aren't like this, but there are always a few that come around every so often and try to INTP the shit out of everyone over every little thing.
"Well your point can't possibly be true because I'm going to take your words 100% literally and ignore the connotative meanings that everyone else here immediately understands. Their brains aren't as sophisticated as mine." *continues to nitpick at unimportant parts of the argument, as if purposely trying to misunderstand everyone to feel superior.
Oh god, yes. I used to be that way when I first started college before actively trying to develop my social skills. I still cringe when I think of it.
 
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I'm not sure how many other INTPs feel this way, but I really hate nerd culture.
This makes two of us!

I'm an INTP. I gather information from external sources, process it internally and find something cool to maybe use it for. I don't like being told that I "need to watch XYZ" because I like ABC. If I'm aware XYZ exists, that's good enough. I don't want to be told whether or not to consume / gather information from it. I use my intuition, internal priorities and judgement to decide this.

Classic example: I like the Lord of the Rings / Hobbit movies. People often give me crap for having not read the books. I can very-easily explain my reasoning behind not reading them: It would be very time consuming and not a good information-gathering-to-time ratio. I gathered enough information from the movies. They scratched my "fantasy" itch.

I don't need to dive deep into it hardcore just because I like fantasy. The depth at which I pursue something that's not a primary interest (or anything, for that matter) is of nobody's business but mine. I like fantasy, sure. It's not a primary interest. It's one of a billion facets of where I derive joy and fulfillment. it's not worth days or weeks of my free time to get through a book series which will come across as "work" first and enjoyment second.

I have too many tasks on my mind which are enjoyment/fulfillment first and work second that they're simply a higher priority.

I don't need anyone to tell me otherwise and that's what I dislike about nerd culture. Nerd culture assumes I willingly devote my free time to consuming nerdism. I make a point of keeping my consuming to a minimum - just enough to meet fulfillment/satisfaction levels and to gather enough information to work with. Most of my time is spent processing this information and figuring out some hypothetical (or, god forbid, real) use for it! Consuming is a means to an end - I consume for a purpose.

I'll enjoy consuming media in moderation, but I'll reach a point where diving further is an investment into an activity that isn't high enough on my priority list to justify the input-time-to-output-reward ratio attached to the activity. Fiction often runs into this barrier and nerd culture, for whatever reason, embraces fiction like it's the world. I cannot do that. I feel empty doing that.

As an INTP, I want to make sense of the world. Fantasy is a fun break, but it doesn't help me achieve my goals. Let me consume fantasy in moderation, nerds! :tongue:
 

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For the nerd culture haters: Chris Harwick probably embodies everything you hate about nerd culture.
I don't know who that is. I used to say that John Green embodied everything I hate about nerd culture, but I really can't remember why.
 

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This is going to be the most non-ENFP thing to say ever, but I'm glad I now have an outlet for this:

I am so sick of people whining about their feelings all the time, everywhere, about everything. I'm tired of being e.v.e.r.y.one's crying shoulder, just because I'm good at it. You can only wallow so long before it gets old. Get up, get a hobby, buy some ice cream. Honestly. All of these "feels" going around just seems like a con to get tears and attention out of you (I'm talking about pop culture now, not people). It used to be a good book didn't make you cry it made you think. It made you think about life, about love, about purpose. It didn't make you bawl because so and so's boyfriend's cat died and ohmygosh it was such a good character.

Back to people, though. It is impolite (I think) to as soon as you meet someone starting crying about your ex-girlfriend and you're life is now a disaster and your dad doesn't like you and your grades and whatnot. Everyone else is like "Wow. You got him to open up. Amazing!" But I didn't even try. I just wanted to get to know someone, not become their secret-keeper and confidant for all eternity. My absolutely favorite kind of people are mysterious. I understand some people need someone to talk to, anyone. I'm so blessed to say they think they can come to me. And this does NOT APPLY TO MY BEST FRIENDS they can come to me for anything, anytime. I love them. I'm completely invested in them. This girl I just met five minutes ago? Not so much. I want to know you. Your hobbies, your favorite songs, your weird quirks. Not your relationship problems. Those don't make you who you are. I'm interested in people, not solving problems. Although I will do that in a heartbeat with utmost enthusiasm for my besties, I really don't know what to say to you if I just now met you.

This expands to everything, it seems. Weird whiny vague social network posts like "nobody likes me" or "i screw everything up". Notice those people seem also to be the ones without the ability to capitalize or spell. I even message one of those people once and said "hey I'm here for you if you need to talk about anything at all!" they ignored me and continued to post that sort of thing for weeks. Making me know they were targeting a certain person and trying to produce a response out of them passive-agressively. Which drives me CRAZY!
 

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I don't know who that is. I used to say that John Green embodied everything I hate about nerd culture, but I really can't remember why.
You don't need to know. But here you go:

And I am a huge Harry Potter fan...but there's just something about the way you express your fandom that really matters, you know? Like, go ahead, geek out. But stop acting like you're so much cooler for liking something that everyone else likes too.
 

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I also extremely dislike nerd culture.I strongly dislike their devotion to their fantasy worlds which is a healthy thing to do if you do it moderately , but they take their devotion to the next level.I'm tired of nerds trying to seem superior for their interests especially when these interests are about things that dont even exist and werent made to be taken so seriously.
Another thing that i dislike is their conservative values.I mean i understand that they have a bitter hate / resentment for the popular
Se crowd mostly because they were bullied or left out but that doesnt mean that this has to make you as extremely close -minded
as nerds have become.

Here is how nerd culture values have been created in my opinion:

-Hate for the popular Se crowd: We all know the dislike that nerds have for the YOLO crowd and for being irresponsible/living in the moment.I think this has to do with the fact that nerds were often bullied /left out by the popular kids in their school.They hate the popular kids do much(they continue to carry that hate after high school too) that they reversed their values.I mean we all know that nerds are the opposite of the popular kids.The bad thing with that is that they have become extremely close minded in the process.
I mean cmon , nerds have become extremely conservative , its like they are stuck in 1950s.I mean cmon you can have sex with protection and not contract STD lol sexual lieration is good why bash it so much :p?

-Inferiority Complex:We all know that when you are left out or bullied as much as nerds you develop an inferiority complex.Thats why nerds celebrate their personal strength :intelligence (although i wouldnt call all of the nerds intelligent). Well guess what they also
associate intelligence with being responsible and moral(moral by 1950's standards).For them the popular kids are all stupid
That's where atheism come from too.i mean seriously i thought i would never say that but... F**CK intelligence and rationality , not everyone should be rational and smart i mean irrationality is pretty fun sometimes too.
 

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Nerd culture IS annoying. I used to be nerdy when before people made it into a trend - when it was still something you got teased at school for, now I try not to be because I don't want to be associated with today's fake nerds. :frustrating:

I see where you're all coming from about the atheism being annoying too. I find it really irritating when I hear people shoving religion in people's faces, but I find it just as annoying when people who don't believe try to make religious individuals feel stupid for believing. Just live and let live. Why does everyone have to try to change someone elses mind? Why do they seriously care, it makes no difference if you're not religious and someone else is or vice versa.
 
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