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Is it just me or is planning ahead not impossible, but nerve racking? I like to have an idea of what I'm getting in to and I don't mind developing a few scenarios in my head, before wandering in to an unfamiliar environment(it's almost welcome), but once I formulate a plan, my nerves go insane. I was recently discussing with my friend introducing myself to a partner of mine at work(not co-worker, she works for a separate company, but at the same site) for personal purposes. The conversation escalated to how I was going to make my move, seeing circumstances(location on site, time of work, job on site etc.) aren't in my favor. (By the way, the "unfamiliar" portion stems from the method I'd have to use in order to introduce myself)

The second I ran through a rough plan/explanation, I started to get very nervous and uncomfortable. I could have worked it out step by step spontaneously and executed without any nerves, but forethought is screwing me up. I can't think the future through too much without getting nervous and antsy(which ultimately affects how I perform once I arrive in the situation).

Anyone else have this problem? Not necessarily a problem looking in to the future and creating plans, but you very much so dislike doing it.
 

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I certainly put off planning for the future. But I've also come to realise that I land myself in a world of trouble if I put it off for too long. Not planning ahead will catch up with you.

I can certainly relate to feeling anxious when I've decided on something. It usually takes a few minutes into making a decision before I think, "wait, I forgot to consider 'x' situation". And I can then begin thinking, "is it too late to change this plan"?

But more than anything, it really bothers me is when other people plan my future for me... I.e. to work in some role I may need to sign a 1-year contract for something. I don't know what will happen this forthcoming year, and nor do I know whether I can truly commit to that. But yet, we live in a world that demands our commitment in such a way. So I guess I just get on with it and hope for the best!

But what works best for me is knowing that my goals often get more quickly, and thoroughly achieved with a little foreplanning. If I make plans and follow through on them then I can see myself making small steps towards an achievement, and eventually completing a plan and reaching success...this is often how I motivate myself for studying.

A good friend spoke to me when I was about to decide to drop out of college and said, "ya know, there's real value in finishing what you've started". Simple advice, but I stayed on, and it was the right choice.
 

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My ESTJ father constantly asks me questions like "did you bring this? did you pack that?" I want to rake my teeth across his face. Usually what happens is I have a whole idea layed out in my head and then my dad asks me these questions and my impulsive mind gets side tracked then i actually start forgetting things.

 

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We do share the "Chart the Course" interaction style with INFJ, ISTJ and INTJ, so yes compared to others it may give an appearance of being planful
Chart-the-Course

The theme is having a course of action to follow. People of this style focus on knowing what to do and keeping themselves, the group, or the project on track. They prefer to enter a situation having an idea of what is to happen. They identify a process to accomplish a goal and have a somewhat contained tension as they work to create and monitor a plan. The aim is not the plan itself, but to use it as a guide to move things along toward the goal. Their informed and deliberate decisions are based on analyzing, outlining, conceptualizing or foreseeing what needs to be done.
 

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omg you guys dont you know??!

sensors are good with the day to day stuff but they cant think ahead like an intuitive, they cant see the future, im friends with a sensor and he doesnt think ahead he sets his pants on fire and stuff
^ always wanted to post something like that. :proud:

In response to the question:

I'm not much of a fan of planning for the future, but I think (for me) it's because of uncertainty. Ontic has hit the nail on the head: small steady steps gets you towards the big goal.

A good friend spoke to me when I was about to decide to drop out of college and said, "ya know, there's real value in finishing what you've started". Simple advice, but I stayed on, and it was the right choice.
I had the same problem, and some guy in one of my classes said: "it doesn't make sense now, but you chose this degree for a reason, it's just you're stuck in the middle of it now. Soon you'll remember why you chose it in the first place."

He was 100% and I never got to thank him for his advice. :mellow:
 

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I am more of a planner than my ex bf (ISFP; if I'm wrong I'll eat my feet). He couldn't see ten minutes into the future without breaking into a sweat; I just wanted to know, generally speaking, if we were gonna get together sometime in the coming weeks. Of course, I have a custody schedule to work around, plus weddings and portraits to shoot (traveling photographer), so I kinda have to at least have the framework of a schedule in place. His fear was that I wouldn't be flexible - if we made plans, and then they fell through, I'd "freak out". He just didn't understand me, I guess. I have no problems with malleability; in fact, I demand it from my friends and family. I just like to have an idea of what might be coming next.

But I'm not MUCH of a planner. Last weekend I shot a wedding 280 miles away in a city and venue I'd never been to, and I didn't bother looking up the address until the morning I was leaving. I knew it was roughly 4-5 hours away, and that I was starting coverage around 3pm, and that was literally all I needed until I got in my car. Overplanning stresses me out just as much as having no direction stresses me out.
 

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^ always wanted to post something like that. :proud:

In response to the question:

I'm not much of a fan of planning for the future, but I think (for me) it's because of uncertainty. Ontic has hit the nail on the head: small steady steps gets you towards the big goal.



I had the same problem, and some guy in one of my classes said: "it doesn't make sense now, but you chose this degree for a reason, it's just you're stuck in the middle of it now. Soon you'll remember why you chose it in the first place."

He was 100% and I never got to thank him for his advice. :mellow:
I've been there, but I've never looked at it like that. That's really good advice and it makes sense. Great post. I'll keep that in mind the next time I decide to quit something I've started(which is frequently, haha).
 

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this will probably piss some istp's off but hey.....



The Craftsman easily detects smallest deviations from esthetic standards in the surrounding world; such disharmony makes him feel distressed, awakes in him a feeling of discomfort, the desire to improve the situation, to perfect what he achieved or actually possesses – not only in the material world, but in his intellectual and spiritual development as well. This is why The Craftsman is exigent to himself and often also to the others. He likes nothing drab, trite and banal, strives for improvement of his own, his friends and family, beginning from the appearance and health, and up to the mental development. He is very curious, has wide range of interests, often he is not self-confident because of increased self-criticism. He needs praise of his capabilities, encouragement of his efforts.

The Psychologist is just the kind of person who notices talents of the others, inspires them with belief in their capabilities, readily tells compliments. He notices even hidden capabilities and willingly encourages their development. This in turn very much commands respect of The Craftsman, who does not feel bored with such a partner. The Psychologist is useful to him also because he easily finds solutions to difficult situations, which would otherwise make The Craftsman feel depressed. Being thankful for that, The Craftsman takes care of the mental and external comfort of the one solving his internal problems.

The Psychologist very much needs a caring partner and finds relaxation for his emotional and restless soul in the 'quiet haven' of a friend, who is constant in his words and deeds, reliable and faithful. The Craftsman creates convenience and comfort for The Psychologist, who is not much adapted to the real life, thus giving him the opportunity to focus on spiritual and intellectual values, generate new ideas, which will bring the taste of novelty into their common affairs.

Everyday chores are usually undertaken by The Craftsman, who believes he can do them better. The Psychologist takes initiative in relations, can unite people around himself, and becomes the 'life of the party'. He gains people's favor, willingly advises on solving personal problems. He is a subtle psychologist, who understands well hidden motives of people. He emotionally demonstrates his attitude towards people; his sincerity, warmth and ingenuousness make others forgive his excessive straightforwardness and hot temper. He corrects The Craftsman's ethical mistakes, and often even his own, since he is not rancorous and likes people very much. His trustfulness disarms the incredulous Craftsman, and emotionality softens his more cold-tempered and reserved partner.

The Craftsman is reticent enough and does not like to demonstrate his feelings. He can put a distance in communication, seems to be arrogant and non-sociable. But in the very depths of his soul he is thankful to the person who takes responsibility for ethical issues on himself. He likes The Psychologist's spirit of trust, whose permanent optimism, capability of foreseeing the future and perspectives of various undertakings, finding ways out of any problems. The Psychologist raises The Craftsman's confidence of the future, decrease his skepticism and mistrust towards everything new, not well known or not proven by practice. In addition, The Craftsman is sometimes excessively nervous and mistrustful; he exaggerates possible dangers not to mention real ones. But The Psychologist, who lives more in the future than in the present, 'calculates' everything in advance and in such moments call for caution, and at the same time calms down his partner when an alarm is false.The Craftsman is very technological and practical. He can work quickly and is well organized. He plans all stages of his work in advance, acquires all the necessary things in advance. He is enduring in perfecting details of his work, can separate important things from trifles, which is not an easy task for The Psychologist. The Psychologist's efficiency of working is high only in critical situations, while routine and monotonous, non-creative work deteriorates his vital tonus, being a source of boredom for this restless creative personality. The Psychologist gladly accepts a role of 'second' or 'assistant', which suits The Craftsman's commanding nature. The Craftsman does not like when others impose on him other ways of doing things than he would prefer. He is strives for real benefit and profit, unlike altruistic Psychologist, and this contributes to growth of material welfare of this dual pair.

The Psychologist needs a partner indulgent enough to his weak points: negligence at work, lack of consideration to rules, norms and hierarchy, outbursts of non-motivated aggression. The Craftsman is indulgent to such, sometimes they even amuse him. He likes the independent nature of The Psychologist, which does not encroach on his own independence.

The characteristic features of this dual pair are the independence from each other, as well as from others, harmony of relations and a restless spirit of creativity and self-development.



Problem solved.
 

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^ Where did you get this description from?
 

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socionics. it's the future.
Socionics has a different function order than MBTI.

Socionic ISTP: Si - Te - Ni - Fe
Socionic ENFP - Fe - Ni - Te - Si

They lie! :shocked:
 

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Socionics has a different function order than MBTI.

Socionic ISTP: Si - Te - Ni - Fe
Socionic ENFP - Fe - Ni - Te - Si

They lie! :shocked:
no that's wrong.

enfp- iee- Ne-Fi-Se-Ti

istp-sli- Si-Te-Ni-Fe.

i haven't really been coming at it trying to understand it from a function order perspective. i can't make sense of it that way. i make sense of it by looking at real world problems and trying to gain a deeper understanding that way. i'm an intuitive feeler and just know it is right the same way a bird just knows to fly south for the winter, it's instinct, you just know and i've known since day one but since i have tested the theory with an objective view of it it still rings true. things happen every day that make me think it must be true and this is just another example of why i think it is.

it isn't always smooth sailing of course and it doesn't work out for everyone. people can get pretty screwed up by life and alot of change needs to happen on both sides for it to work. as i said earlier people find it hard to change because the first step in changing is to first admit you were wrong and people generally hate admitting when they have been wrong.

i think it's interesting that chemistry is the study of change and you wont find better chemistry with anyone else. it never gets boring and there is always something new to learn. the sex is still amazing after 6 years, it is always changing and always feels new and different. how many people can say that? i thought i'd be sick of his ass after 6 years but no. there aren't many couples who are still in love a 50 or 60. i imagine those rare couples must be duals. that's what i want and can't understand why anyone would settle for anything less.
 

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According to that function ordering, it's ISTJ they're describing, not ISTP.

I don't know if I can identify with what profile said...it seemed off to me.
 
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