What is the difference between brainstorming and Ne? because I feel like anyone, regardless of type, can brainstorm.... Or are they related?
Hmm, I never really noticed who was coming up with the ideas in groups, but now that I think about it I can see how the SPs might have held back a little more than others (I am not sure about NJ types, I don't know too many). I am not always the best at brainstorming by myself, but when I am with my NP friends they help to foster my Ne in me and I can have an endless flow of ideas.I don't know...I can brainstorm if I have to, but I'm not generally very good at it by myself. When I need to brainstorm some ideas for a paper, for example, I call my INFJ mom, and we bounce ideas off each other. But I need that dialogue to get my creative juices flowing, so to speak. I get the impression the Ne-users don't need much help coming up with ideas.
As I have come to understand it, Ne users are just more likely to brain storm, because they naturally see a multitude of different possibilities. Anyone has the capacity to brain storm.What is the difference between brainstorming and Ne? because I feel like anyone, regardless of type, can brainstorm.... Or are they related?
Thanks! That gave me a deeper understanding of you ENTPs... :happy:Well.... I dont know any answers, but I have experiences that points in certain directions:
I have been in several brainstorming sessions (with an ENFP, ISTJ, weak ENTJ and an INTP). All I can say is that the others couldnt keep up. As WildWinds write above, I not only came up with several ideas (that they couldnt grasp but needed time to see), but I also evaluated them and scrapped some while just beginning to try to explain them. That did not help the confusion either... After all sessions the consensus is that I brainstorm a heck of a lot faster (10x?) than the other guys and girls in the group ( the others say it too). And my ideas are quite plausible, but perhaps not THE BEST ideas (that is also subjective, of course).
I am 99,9% sure that the idea I see in my head will work if followed through. But if other persons wish to insert their own input into the idea (the model) then I need re-evaluation time. Mostly because the input from others often is subjective: I have to deduce what they REALLY want to insert, and then see how it effects the whole. But it can of course better the end result.
This I think also explains much of the concept of ENTP "arrogance". Since we KNOW that our idea will work, and often see the flaws in other peoples ideas (but dont necessarily wish to point them out), we push for our ideas. ENTPs are the natural brainstormers according to MBTI... I think.
Of course, if someone else comes up with something obviously genial, I do standing ovations and hurrahs.
EDIT: That was an ENTP posting arrogant enough for you?...
I also find it funny that when I do try to actively brainstorm, I often come up with nothing but shit...The difference is that Ne is a non-forced process, whereas brainstorming is active.
I've realized right from childhood that I could never come up with good ideas forcefully, but that I had moments when multiple ideas would just come to me out of nowhere. I've learned how to 'jump-start' my Ne almost...of course, I didn't know what Ne was when I was a child. But jump-starting my Ne involves 'brainstorming', however awkward it really is for me. I've done that most often for school projects and essays. For instance, if I have to write an essay but had no idea what to write on the subject, writing a few disconnected sentences usually gets my Ne going.Conscious brainstorming is strange to me also, as some have mentioned, and I often am left feeling stumped. It's easier for me to get ideas when I am NOT focused on coming up with them. I get inspired by considering the external in a relaxed way, withe the intuition running in the background, and then the ideas flow naturally.
OMG, I feel you. And I never say 'I feel you'. This is a special occasion.My problem is letting go of a dozen great ideas everyday since I have better ones not being realized, that I wish done first. Of course, then I forget about the new ones. I do write some down in a book just in case....
Yes... Some just like to take credit. They can imagine that they controlled the meeting where the ideas surfaced, and thus it is their doing that the great ideas emanated. We know better....;-)...perhaps what interests me the most about these sessions is that the people who come out thinking they have done clever things are often not the people who have done the clever things. Perhaps just my slight bitterness at being a rapid-thinking idea generator in a monolithic organisation which is the biggest dead weight in the universe......:tongue:
....the ideas that can come out of brainstorming may have been put there by people who are interested in the idea, in making the thing work, or may have been put there for political or personal agenda, with subgroiups constructed and questions posed exactly in order to achieve set objectives and let people imagine they have been part of the decision making process......
The difference is that Ne is a non-forced process, whereas brainstorming is active.
Thinking more about my own internal processes, I see unconscious use of Ne as a way to come up with all manner of ideas, thoughts, and concepts and, when one comes along that really strikes me or is relevant to my interests/projects/issues at hand then I can consciously use Ti to pare it down, test it out and make it more form-fitting to what I'm looking for. Or just completely set it aside or use it in another manner.I also find it funny that when I do try to actively brainstorm, I often come up with nothing but shit...
When you brainstorm, you often have a specific objective. Ne has no specific objective or destination.