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So it's p common for xSTPs to mistype as xNTPs, due to the whole "sensorials are dumb!" stereotype. Or, in more polite terms, the "iNtuitive Bias."

I'm kinda wondering if maaaaybe I've mistyped? Here's a list of shit that I do that *could be Se related. I'm not really sure, and I'd like somefeedback.

-I have an uncanny "understanding" of physics, both practically and mathematically.

For instance, I borrowed my dad's truck over the weekend, and a rod on the underside of the bed came loose. I had no idea what the bar was for, and I lacked the tools needed to repair it. So instead, I used duct tape to hold it together for the 2 hour drive home. While duct taping it, I instinctively "knew" the best place to put the tape to hold the rod in place. 1 week later, the tape is still holding up and I'm still driving the shit out of that truck.

The sort of thing occurs regularly: I'm confronted with a problem, and I'm very quick to use my surroundings to find a solution. I always attributed this to Ne, but now I'm starting to think Se.

-Physics is usually a difficult class for most students, which is understandable because lots of people struggle mathematically. But I'm oddly adept at it because I can easily visualize and diagram whatever problem I'm supposed to be solving.

-I'm VERY aware of textures, and I'm very picky about bed sheets/clothes/etc because I don't like the way certain fabrics feel

-Whenever I'm watching a movie, sometimes I'll disregard the plot and really study the visuals. Focus on a character's mannerisms, the way they move, the scenery etc

-I have a very strong sense of aesthetics. Which is practically unheard of as far as Ne goes.

-I don't have the ENTP's borderline obsessive need to argue. Yeah I enjoy a good discussion *sometimes* but usually I find arguing to be mildly annoying unless it directly involves me. You won't find me discussing politics at social gatherings. I'm not even interested in arguing about the ethics/health benefits of vegetarianism, despite being a vegetarian myself. And it's not that I dislike confrontation, I just don't care.

-I like very strong, high energy environments: busy bars, loud concerts (music is one of my interests), speeding down a highway with the radio blaring. To clarify, it's not the social aspect of these situations that draws me in: it's the "energy." The "vibe" if you will.

-I'm VERY fidgety. Even if I'm calm or relaxed, I can't sit still. If I'm watching TV I have to be fiddling with my guitar, eating, or texting at the same time. Otherwise I can't stay interested.


So...Does this sound like Se? I can give examples of why I thought I was an Ne dom, too.
 

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OH and this might be a weird one, but I'm really instinctive in bed. My early partners were surprised to learn that I didn't have much experience. But I just sorta know how to live in the moment, not overthink things, and do what feels right.

The same goes for dancing: I get lots of compliments whenever I go out dancing. I'm able to just sorta less loose and "feel" the music. I know how to move my body with the rhythm. It's unconscious and feels natural. It's really nice and soothing for me, even if I have lots of people watching.
 

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When it comes to cognitive functions it’s never about the behavior itself it’s always about the motivation behind he behavior.

Ignore what and ask why you do the things you do.

Se does things because it wants to engage in the moment in the most sensory fashion

Ne does things because it wants to explore the abstract possibilities of the world

They both can do the same things on the surface, it’s about why they do those things
 
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When it comes to cognitive functions it’s never about the behavior itself it’s always about the motivation behind he behavior.

Ignore what and ask why you do the things you do.

Se does things because it wants to engage in the moment in the most sensory fashion

Ne does things because it wants to explore the abstract possibilities of the world

They both can do the same things on the surface, it’s about why they do those things
ok so i've got a beef with this

this is the same vague nonsense that people keep saying to me. I see this repeated over and over again and it's gotten me literally nowhere. I've seen this EVERYWHERE and if it was useful, I wouldn't be asking in the first place.

I'd like real life, specific, personal examples to better my understanding of the two functions
 

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ok so i've got a beef with this

this is the same vague nonsense that people keep saying to me. I see this repeated over and over again and it's gotten me literally nowhere. I've seen this EVERYWHERE and if it was useful, I wouldn't be asking in the first place.

I'd like real life, specific, personal examples to better my understanding of the two functions
this is because you're an Extroverted Perceiving dominant so reflecting isn't something that comes natural to you but that's really what cognitive functions are all about

an INTP and and an ESFP can both choose to be a porn star but for entirely different cognitive reasons. The difference is their thought process in making that decision

You saying this makes me think you're probably an Se dominant though

you certainly have that auxiliary Ti blunt way of speaking though so I aint questioning that
 

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Hey God, it´s Lord ^^

Just wanted to tell you my view. I was for half a year sure to be an ENTP, because of Ti, Intuition, and underdeveloped but nice Fe.

So, I will describe you Se now, the reason why I am an ISTP and not INTP or ENTP.

When I look around when I am talking with someone, then it is because I am searching for movements, something that could be important so that I have some action, but as soon as I am returning my eyes on you, you will see it as similar to Sauron´s eye :)

Ne is more being distracted, while Se is more searching.

When I am walking through the streets, and not in thoughts, I scan everything like a Terminator, people, animals, cars, etc. but often without recognizing faces, just scanning. I just am conscious of my surroundings.

When I am in a group, I am one of the first ones to see that someone behaves different, be it his mimics, gestics, words, etc. but that doesn´t mean that I "feel" him, that is only if I know why he/she has pains.
The same is as host, so I am constantly looking if everything is okay, has everyone what he needs. Just because I want to get a chance to be active ^^

I have good coordination, perhaps not with closed eyes, but I can put something on the table, do other things, and when I am on my way out, I take it without looking. I like sports, and I need to take things in my hands to solve or explain it. Not always, but mostly.

I like to taste new food, drinks, etc. as long as it is not baaahhh.. and I have an eye for aesthetics.

I want to travel, and have hunger for new experiences in the physical world.


Is that enough for now? :)


I am over 40, and I use my Ni too, mainly for inspiration, evaluation and for talking about concepts.

Another thing, ISTPs are problem solvers, as long as we DON`T joke around and are totally interested to talk with someone about something that is interesting for us, we will come to the point very fast. And we demand that of others too. :p
 

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Speaking from my own experience with the discipline of Physics, comprehension of the material in that field (at least in the sense that you suggest) has more to do with Ti than anything, which is consistent with typing as an xxTP. Using Te as I do also works for Physics, but it makes it difficult when you reach higher-level courses and the coursework becomes less about application and more about abstract complexity. I was an A-student in my lower-division courses, but a B-student in upper-division. Perceiving functions are far less important.

Visualizing and diagramming systems sounds to me like a consequence of intuiting. It is generally said of intuiting types (and in particular Ne-users) that our imaginations are very rich. Se would probably rather look for an example of that system in the real world to see what ends up happening with it.
 

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Hey God, it´s Lord ^^

Just wanted to tell you my view. I was for half a year sure to be an ENTP, because of Ti, Intuition, and underdeveloped but nice Fe.

So, I will describe you Se now, the reason why I am an ISTP and not INTP or ENTP.

When I look around when I am talking with someone, then it is because I am searching for movements, something that could be important so that I have some action, but as soon as I am returning my eyes on you, you will see it as similar to Sauron´s eye :)

Ne is more being distracted, while Se is more searching.

When I am walking through the streets, and not in thoughts, I scan everything like a Terminator, people, animals, cars, etc. but often without recognizing faces, just scanning. I just am conscious of my surroundings.

When I am in a group, I am one of the first ones to see that someone behaves different, be it his mimics, gestics, words, etc. but that doesn´t mean that I "feel" him, that is only if I know why he/she has pains.
The same is as host, so I am constantly looking if everything is okay, has everyone what he needs. Just because I want to get a chance to be active ^^

I have good coordination, perhaps not with closed eyes, but I can put something on the table, do other things, and when I am on my way out, I take it without looking. I like sports, and I need to take things in my hands to solve or explain it. Not always, but mostly.

I like to taste new food, drinks, etc. as long as it is not baaahhh.. and I have an eye for aesthetics.

I want to travel, and have hunger for new experiences in the physical world.


Is that enough for now? :)


I am over 40, and I use my Ni too, mainly for inspiration, evaluation and for talking about concepts.

Another thing, ISTPs are problem solvers, as long as we DON`T joke around and are totally interested to talk with someone about something that is interesting for us, we will come to the point very fast. And we demand that of others too. :p
Hey Lord, it's God.

Yes I'm DEFINITELY into trying new foods, drinks, etc. I kinda like experimenting with new sensory input. I like new tastes, new textures, new SOUNDS. For a while, I had a bad habit of drinking/getting high alone. Not because I was sad or depressed, just because I was bored with my surroundings. I didn't have anywhere to go, so I would become intoxicated in order alter my perception. I don't like being stuck in the same environment for too long. I get stir crazy if I'm stuck at home.

I do get distracted, but usually the distraction is something in my surroundings? For instance, I'll be chatting with someone and I'll notice something odd across the room. I might briefly "check out" of the conversation to evaluate the distraction. So...maybe that's Se? I can definitely come across as being distracted, though. I'll also check out of a conversation if I get bored. So that could be it, too.

I'm constantly taking note of my surroundings. I'm always very aware of the way a place smells, or the temperature. I use my surroundings to make deductions. Example: my mom has a weird work schedule, so I don't always know if she'll be home or not when I wake up. But if I get out of bed and smell her perfume, I immediately know she's at work. Otherwise she wouldn't have sprayed perfume. Or if I see someone standing awkwardly in the school hallway across from the bathroom, I know the janitor must be in the bathroom cleaning without having to see the janitor's cart. Does that make sense?

I'm definitely into things that require a high amount of dexterity and coordination: driving, playing musical instruments, video games, dance. I'm not really into sports, except solo stuff like canoeing, I did martial arts for a bit, jogging. But anything involving a ball and teamwork? Ew.
 

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Hey Lord, it's God.

Yes I'm DEFINITELY into trying new foods, drinks, etc. I kinda like experimenting with new sensory input. I like new tastes, new textures, new SOUNDS. For a while, I had a bad habit of drinking/getting high alone. Not because I was sad or depressed, just because I was bored with my surroundings. I didn't have anywhere to go, so I would become intoxicated in order alter my perception. I don't like being stuck in the same environment for too long. I get stir crazy if I'm stuck at home.

I do get distracted, but usually the distraction is something in my surroundings? For instance, I'll be chatting with someone and I'll notice something odd across the room. I might briefly "check out" of the conversation to evaluate the distraction. So...maybe that's Se? I can definitely come across as being distracted, though. I'll also check out of a conversation if I get bored. So that could be it, too.

I'm constantly taking note of my surroundings. I'm always very aware of the way a place smells, or the temperature. I use my surroundings to make deductions. Example: my mom has a weird work schedule, so I don't always know if she'll be home or not when I wake up. But if I get out of bed and smell her perfume, I immediately know she's at work. Otherwise she wouldn't have sprayed perfume. Or if I see someone standing awkwardly in the school hallway across from the bathroom, I know the janitor must be in the bathroom cleaning without having to see the janitor's cart. Does that make sense?

I'm definitely into things that require a high amount of dexterity and coordination: driving, playing musical instruments, video games, dance. I'm not really into sports, except solo stuff like canoeing, I did martial arts for a bit, jogging. But anything involving a ball and teamwork? Ew.
Hey God, it´s Lord again.

That does sound similar to me. That with ball and team sports: it´s ok. I mean driving, playing musical instruments, video games, dance, canoeing, jogging and martial arts are physical activities too, right? :)

So, you use your senses to make your world sense to you.

I cannot say if you are ESTP or ISTP yet. So, if you go out with others, are you one who is mostly directing and going forward, or are you often a step behind, observing, thinking where the leading one will go next?

And, how difficult are social skills for you. Are you clumsy and irritated when confrontated with other people, or do you know how to cope with them relatively normal?

Are you capable of understanding theoretical concepts if these are presentated to you in a short or longer summit, or is that rather difficult sometimes?
 
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Hey God, it´s Lord again.

That does sound similar to me. That with ball and team sports: it´s ok. I mean driving, playing musical instruments, video games, dance, canoeing, jogging and martial arts are physical activities too, right? :)

So, you use your senses to make your world sense to you.

I cannot say if you are ESTP or ISTP yet. So, if you go out with others, are you one who is mostly directing and going forward, or are you often a step behind, observing, thinking where the leading one will go next?

And, how difficult are social skills for you. Are you clumsy and irritated when confrontated with other people, or do you know how to cope with them relatively normal?

Are you capable of understanding theoretical concepts if these are presentated to you in a short or longer summit, or is that rather difficult sometimes?
I don't really struggle with theoretical concepts, like I mentioned with the physics comment earlier. I do prefer specific examples, if that makes sense. Like how I asked for examples of what Se is like, instead of settling for the standard description. Whenever I'm speaking, I frequently use real-world examples to try and get my point across.

"Whenever I go out with others" lol. Usually I go out only in pairs or small groups. I have noticed that whenever my ISFP friend and I go out to bars, she's usually more willing to speak to people, and faster to warm up to strangers. I'm really slow when it comes to deciding if I a)like somebody or b)want to talk to them at all. Sometimes I take charge, sometimes I don't. There's no real pattern. Usually I'm the one to suggest we go to a new place, so if it's that kind of a situation then I will. Or if my friends are anxious about it (which a lot of them are) I'll take the lead and act like I know what I'm doing. I've got an INFJ who's hyper vigilant about situations he deems dangerous (hint: it's all situations.)

But if we're doing something routine, I'll let others take the lead. I don't mind going to places alone. Sometimes if I'm meeting my friends at a bar, I'll intentionally arrive early so I can spend time enjoying the atmosphere without having to socialize. I REALLY like focusing on the atmosphere of a place. Even if I don't feel like interacting with people, I'll appreciate the buzzing energy of a crowded bar

As for social skills: I like to consider myself to be socially capable. I know how to smooth over tense conversations, calm people down. I know what to say and when to say it. I often come across as being flirty. ISFP and I have this strange dynamic where, when we go out, she's much better at talking and laughing at people while I'm much better at getting phone numbers.

I've heard so-blind ESTPs can seem fairly introverted, so that's something to consider. As far as social variants go, I am DEFINITELY and sx/sp.
 

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Hello @god of whiNE and TIts. ^-^

So, when I read your first post, I actually didn't see anything that pointed to either Se or Ne. It sounds like you have a highly visual mind and perhaps you are quite kinesthetic too. My INTP husband is also extremely visual - sometimes I think it actually lends to thinking about high abstract concepts, not take away from doing so. And as for me, a textbook Ne-dom, I very kinesthetic. And I like the atmosphere of situations as well. I think some of that is just Pe. :)

Before I saw you asking for examples of Se vs. Ne.

So, I will repeat the standard definitions for a sec.

In a given situation, Se is focusing on what is via the five senses. It's very outwardly focused.

Ne, on the other hand, is focusing on what could be - possibilities.

Both Se and Ne can be attuned to the "atmosphere" of situations, but both will be focused on different things. Different things will "make up" how that atmosphere feels. They are both Extroverted Perceiving functions after all.

Example time! (I like examples too.)

The stereotype is that Se users are kinda hedonistic or something like that. Or just pleasure-seeking. That's not really true. They have this drive to seek out new experiences. Something that excites them or moves them or is novel in some way. Everyone pictures the Se-user as the guy being, "Oh hey, let's skydive!" - it could be, I guess. But it could also be enjoying travel to experience all the views, the artwork, the different ways of cooking food... It can be very, very aesthetic. It can be the photographer who likes capturing visuals.

I know an Se-dom who majored in architecture. His hobby on the side is biking. He's also a super witty guy who thinks pretty deeply about things. He's very capable of understanding things conceptually. It's just in given situations, his focus goes to the here-and-now, experiencing what is, and he highly enjoys seeking out new experiences.

The Ne-dom is actually quite similar. Ne-doms can also like having a bunch of experiences, but everything is all for the sake of sniffing out new possibilities. There's a lot of wondering about things, a lot of excitement about what could be. A Ne-user will only stick with something as long as the idea is exciting to them.

To give you an example, one time I was in this shopping center parking lot at night. There were lights visible in the storefronts. The planted trees around in the parking lot were lit up by streetlights. I was wandering through and suddenly I was absolutely captivated by the other people around me. There were two teenagers, a guy and a girl, talking to each other as though they were the only ones in the world, smiling and laughing. Each store felt like a door to another world, another perspective. Walking around me were so many stories - I wondered about the lives of the people here with me. I felt myself wanting to walk around and soak everything up because it felt like the converging of so many what ifs at one single point.

I get similar feelings from being in a city-like place. I love being surrounded by things and people and I like wondering about them. I like small interactions sometimes simply because people are like mysteries, closed doors.

I like using the closed-door analogy to explain the different between Ne and Se. Say you come across a closed door somewhere, a door you've not noticed before and you don't know where it leads.

Se wants to open the closed door to experience what's on the other side. You know, it's like, I wonder what's behind this? Is it something cool?

But for Ne-users, some of the novelty lies in the wondering itself. As soon as you run out of things to wonder about, once all the possibilities have been exhausted, it's onto the next thing. Wondering what's behind the closed door is probably more exciting than opening it. For a second it's somewhat exciting as you open the door because you can wonder about the things you see inside it, but all too soon excitement dwindles - there must be something else around the next bend.
 

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I like using the closed-door analogy to explain the different between Ne and Se. Say you come across a closed door somewhere, a door you've not noticed before and you don't know where it leads.

Se wants to open the closed door to experience what's on the other side. You know, it's like, I wonder what's behind this? Is it something cool?

But for Ne-users, some of the novelty lies in the wondering itself. As soon as you run out of things to wonder about, once all the possibilities have been exhausted, it's onto the next thing. Wondering what's behind the closed door is probably more exciting than opening it. For a second it's somewhat exciting as you open the door because you can wonder about the things you see inside it, but all too soon excitement dwindles - there must be something else around the next bend.
I mean, if I'm just going to wonder about something, then what's the point of it?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy toying with new concepts and ideas, but if I've got no desire to act on it, then the idea has no real value. This is one thing that irks me about my INFP mom: she's all talk and no action. We both like throwing around new ideas, especially when it comes to how we can improve the decor of our house. It's super frustrating to me whenever she comes up with this AWESOME idea, and then doesn't even take the first steps to execute it. And then I can't really start the project myself, because it's not technically my house, ya know? So my bedroom and bathroom are very neat and decorative, while the rest of the house is a disorganized mess because she'll just sit around and think about what she wants to do, while never doing it.

She's also less open to new sensory experiences. I like trying new foods, especially ones with strong flavors. She's...not really into that. Even my inf Se sister likes exotic new tastes and is willing to put forth her plans into action.

I get very frustrated with people who say "oh this would be cool" and then have no desire to pursue whatever it is.

Another note: while I enjoy new sensory experiences, I dislike things like skydiving and rollercoasters. Just...no. I'd go SCUBA diving or white water rafting but heights are where I draw the line.
 
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I mean, if I'm just going to wonder about something, then what's the point of it?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy toying with new concepts and ideas, but if I've got no desire to act on it, then the idea has no real value. This is one thing that irks me about my INFP mom: she's all talk and no action. We both like throwing around new ideas, especially when it comes to how we can improve the decor of our house. It's super frustrating to me whenever she comes up with this AWESOME idea, and then doesn't even take the first steps to execute it. And then I can't really start the project myself, because it's not technically my house, ya know? So my bedroom and bathroom are very neat and decorative, while the rest of the house is a disorganized mess because she'll just sit around and think about what she wants to do, while never doing it.
Haha, well, that's the thing. For Ne-doms (and those with a Ne-preference), wondering has a point in and of itself. It's... exciting. It's also simply a way of taking in information. But you're actually completely right. Jung when he was describing the downside of the Ne-dom described someone who ended up with not much of a substantial life because they kept chasing ideas, and could never implement any of them. That's the Ne-dom that is completely unmediated by any of their other functions.

She's also less open to new sensory experiences. I like trying new foods, especially ones with strong flavors. She's...not really into that. Even my inf Se sister likes exotic new tastes and is willing to put forth her plans into action.
Ah, I'm similar! And I think that might be true of other people with dominant Intuition (perhaps just Ne)? There's a tendency to go for known and understood sensory experiences. Like when I go to a restaurant, I tend to get the same thing every time, or get something I know I like. My INTP husband is the one more likely to experiment when it comes to that realm. For me, I don't feel this need to try out as many new tastes. It's not like I'm completely averse to it. It's just not my go-to. I feel a little out of my comfort zone trying new stuff out when it comes to certain sensory experiences, actually.

But new ideas? Bring it on.

I get very frustrated with people who say "oh this would be cool" and then have no desire to pursue whatever it is.

Another note: while I enjoy new sensory experiences, I dislike things like skydiving and rollercoasters. Just...no. I'd go SCUBA diving or white water rafting but heights are where I draw the line.
Hahaha. I have a very severe phobia when it comes to heights. So I completely relate. That said, I know plenty of people with a Sensory preference who share your dislike for skydiving and rollercoasters. Me and water, though, are very good friends. I love body surfing in the ocean.
 
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