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My son completed his BS in Business Administration at the end of April. He just turned 22 so in addition to being young he doesn't have much work experience. He has submitted numerous online applications daily for the past 6 weeks. This has only netted him 3 interviews. Two of which he decided were not right for him. Research indicated they were not good places to work and pay was based upon commission. The 3rd place he was very interested in, but they decided to go with a different candidate.

What he is running into is everyone wants you to already have experience. Most of his experience is from summer jobs (fast food, laser engraving place, taxes/data entry). None of these jobs really relates to his degree. The tax/data entry place probably comes the closest, but still not really what he wants to do. He is more than willing to start at the bottom if there are opportunities to move up into, but he's not having much luck even being called for jobs that only require a high school education. Most of them still want 3 to 5 years experience.

He's quite discouraged and a bit depressed right now. I keep telling him that someone will call and to not give up. But I wish I had something more concrete to offer him.

Any thoughts, suggestions, ideas, about what he might be doing wrong or may need to do differently?




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MY son would like to work in the banking industry and was told that perhaps he could start as a teller and then move up. He has applied for many teller positions and has not received a single call for an interview. When I was in the bank this past week I noticed a young teller, I asked him how he went about securing his position. He said he applied online.

Found out he was 19 with only a high school education and they hired him. My son is 22 with previous cashier/customer service experience and a college degree and he can't even get an interview?
Mid-level executive of a Fortune 500 here.

The rule of thumb for college kids when breaking into the business world is this: if you don't have a job offer waiting for you by the time you graduate-- you're too late.

The reason for this is because business is a soft major where school prestige, school ranking, internships, and networking weigh heavily on post-graduation placement so all the job searching legwork has to be completed strategically and prior to entering the real world. As a student, you have the opportunity (and advantage) of being an intern, but as a college graduate you're just another unemployed candidate in the eyes of the companies. Business isn't a hard major like engineering or programming where job placement is determined by technical expertise although those also require a certain level of networking and interning.

With that said, I would consider the following:

- Leveraging his college career office for leads, openings, and networks. College career offices have opportunities fed to the from alumni who prefer other alums which gives an advantage.
- Industries outside of banking such as health care, technology, or retail to expand the pool of opportunities he's applying to. He can accumulate the experience he needs then lateral back into banking.
- Positions in less desirable areas (rural, low population areas) have difficulty with attracting and retaining talent because no one wants to live there. If he's willing to bite the bullet, he can be competitive in markets where they have barely any applications for open positions.
- Learning SQL and Excel. There are online classes that teach these high in demand skills and they'll jump out to companies on a resume. Business lives and dies on big data and data analytics, being able to draw insights from large data sets will position him well for any industry.
- (Last resort given the cost, time, and effort) Attending graduate school (a 1-year program) and making sure he prepares better this time around.

If you want me to review his resume (with his personal information removed) and give my feedback, feel free to reach out via private message.
 

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The problem is that "entry level" and "work your way up" simply doesn't exist anymore. Employers aren't willing to train anymore. Everytime we hear "skills shortage", it really means "shortage of employers willing to train employees".

I don't have any specific advice, just wanted to rant...
 

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Graduated about one and a half years ago now, but I guess that's still 'recent' in the grand scheme of things.

First job I had wasn't very relevant to my degree but related to the part-time work I did while in college. So I had some experience already, and they hired me about a month after graduation. Second job was more relevant to my degree and semi relevant to the work I did previously. So to answer the question 'how' -- I'd say, the non-relevant-to-my-degree work did help me get a leg up. :)
 

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My son just got called to interview for a job at a local bank this next week. He is a bit discouraged about the pay offered, but understands that right now he just needs to get a job and begin accumulating some experience. He said, "well I guess I won't be moving out anytime soon." I am not at all concerned, he's a good kid and he can live at home as long as he needs to. I understand that he is just starting out and needs to gain experience. I told him that he has to pay his dues first before the better jobs open up to him.

I think the starting pay is about $11 hr. He made $14.50 per hour last summer, but the job was production and really nothing to move up into.
Hopefully your son got the job at the local bank. He should work anywhere and then keep learning new skills at whatever job he gets and at a local community college. Then if you gets an interview he should mention that he brings value to the team and that he is there to help make the team successful anyway he can. He has to make it known that he is willing to learn new skills on the job. He can always start at the bottom and work his way up the ladder. He will likely have more skills than a coworker that landed a job in their major straight out of college, plus he can continue climbing while there others stay at their current roles for a career.
 

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Even though his summer jobs weren't related to the field he's interested in, there are still aspects of it that would be valuable to a banker, especially if he decides to start as a teller.

The first thing I did was update my resume. Look at bank-related job descriptions and add the relevant keywords to his resume.

The next thing I did was reach out to people in my department. They were able to give me a few local leads and suggestions for alternatives.

What really did the trick was cold calling people via Linkedin. Online applications are largely a crock of poo. It's better to connect to a person if you know anyone. If you can't do this, go to LinkedIn or try to find direct email addresses from the company using sites like Jigsaw. They could have changed the name of the site. My first job came about by contacted global HR on LinkedIn and so was my 3rd and 4th (current) jobs.

Be prepared to make sacrifices. I understand being picky when you have a specific dream. This worked out for me, but I also had to make sacrifices, like moving nearly across the country with little money and working extremely long hours for two years straight.

He could also try applying for an apprenticeship or joining a school program that includes an internship at the end of the course.

I know this is a month old, but if that marketing job is still on the table, I would take it. Social life is important for some, but being able to pay your bills is important for everybody.

Good luck to all the recent grads out there.
 

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I'm wondering if I should encourage him to just resign himself to no life for the next couple of years. :laughing:
That is what I would suggest. Long hard hours are good for you so long as you are healthy, unattached, and in need of experience. I was able to acquire 4 years of experience in 2 because I took all the crap jobs/opportunities and worked all OT that was available to me. I was always intrinsically driven too, so it was an easy transition, but I don't regret a single moment of my youth that I gave up to be where I am now. I sometimes worked 100 hour weeks, and many 60+.

Experience will also hone his direction : "I'll never do that kind of work again:, or "Man, I could see doing this for a while". Working a crap job made me go to and finish college, motivation I didn't have prior.

In Banking tellers/customer service jobs, they are often 25-30 hours shifts in this area, so it's not very lucrative.
 

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Hopefully your son got the job at the local bank. He should work anywhere and then keep learning new skills at whatever job he gets and at a local community college.
 
He did get the job. His first day of orientation was today. He's not thrilled with the job or the pay, but he understands that you have to start at the bottom and work your way up. The teller position they hired him for is a bit different than what he expected. It's a floating teller position, but at least it is full time. Plus, he found out that after 90 days they will pay 75% of his educational expenses as long as they are related to banking. So perhaps he'll be able to pursue a master's degree.



Even though his summer jobs weren't related to the field he's interested in, there are still aspects of it that would be valuable to a banker, especially if he decides to start as a teller.
 
I think his previous fast food cashier experience meant more to them than his college degree. :laughing: However, he was upfront with them about his desire to advance beyond a teller position and they said we figured as much.

Good luck to all the recent grads out there.
Definitely it is hard to get someone to give you a chance when you don't have much experience.



That is what I would suggest. Long hard hours are good for you so long as you are healthy, unattached, and in need of experience.
 
I agree. I think my son was reluctant to take the marketing position because it would have made it next to impossible for him to spend any time with his girlfriend who lives about 2 hours away. However, she is still in college too so it might be that he should have taken the marketing job, but it's too late now since he already accepted the floating teller position.

In Banking tellers/customer service jobs, they are often 25-30 hours shifts in this area, so it's not very lucrative.
Fortunately this one is 40 hours per week, but he will have to travel between banks. I told him to look at the positive side, he'll have more exposure than those who are located at the same branch all the time. He just turned 22 so he's got plenty of time to figure this all out.



Thank you everyone for taking the time to share your experiences and suggestions!
 

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Fortunately this one is 40 hours per week, but he will have to travel between banks. I told him to look at the positive side, he'll have more exposure than those who are located at the same branch all the time. He just turned 22 so he's got plenty of time to figure this all out.!
That is perfect, the floater jobs allow for a lot of networking, getting into peoples minds as someone that can handle chaos and dynamic work flow. Those are traits he needs if he want's to move up. A steady never-goes-anywhere teller job = clock puncher / Widget maker type work, not much opportunity there. He will soon see how other managers and personal bankers operate and find his niche far more quickly in this floater role. He just needs to stay focused on being his best every day even when he's not vested in one location, people will notice that. I did a lot of electrical service work in banks, I've rewired about 350 of them over 7 years. I've seen a lot of banking from inside. Most teller are there to collect a paycheck, nothing else. It won't be hard to stand out if he treats this like opportunity, rather than a paycheck.
 

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Plus college does not show you how to put it all together for a career in which you climb the ladder as far as your drive will take you. While at college you're exposed to theory, principles, research methods, setting priorities, and other things. However, you don't get "this is how you put it all together so you can advance from the janitor all the way to manager, project manager, principal in my case, or whatever the case may be. He should have a good return on investment if he keeps a positive attitude and the end goal in mind.
 

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Tell him to call up his University's career services.

MOST careers now are found through networking. His University will more than likely hook him up with alumni that are working in banking. He should contact them for information sessions asking questions about their companies and banking in general. You'll be surprised how many times that leads to "hey, send me your resume!"

Another option is using linkedin.com/alumni
 

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Update: Gonna add some more information just in case it helps someone else see that it can get better.

I know it is definitely discouraging when you are first entering the job market. To say my son was depressed about employment opportunities just 2 years ago is a major understatement. A little less than two years ago he was a bank teller working 36 hours a week earning $11.75 per hour.

He ended up working as a teller for about 4 1/2 months. As a 4 year college graduate with loans to pay a teller position was definitely not what he hoped for. Fortunately after getting a few months work experience as a teller he was able to get another company to give him an opportunity.

In November of 2017 he started a new job paying $14.50 per hour plus bonuses. Which was equal to about $40,000 per year. Approximately 6 weeks ago he was offered a new salaried position with the same company and will now earn about $53,000 per year. While he definitely would like to earn more, that's not bad for someone who just turned 24 a month ago.
 

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Right or wrong I tend to view business as a high risk, high reward career path. Having graduated from a BS/MS dual-degree program in computer science I started off with a higher salary than most MBAs, but they have far more earning potential if they can climb the corporate ladder. Personally, I'm just not that competitive.

I'm glad to read your son's career prospects are looking up.
 

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It depends on your degree? I did a lot of volunteer work with children, elderly and prisoners when I was working at shit jobs and focusing on other things. Later I was able to put on my resume that I had done a lot of environmental and child centered work as a volunteer.

That's why colleges want you to be well rounded and join clubs or have part time jobs because they know you can put these things on your resume.

I admit I went to an excellent school I felt insanely privileged to be accepted to. I would not have been accepted there as a high school senior. I got accepted because a magna cum laude associates degree in general natural sciences from a community college combined with recommendations from my volunteer supervisors. I'm not saying it because I'm a narcissist I'm saying it still in minor shock I pulled this off the long way.

I say it with gratitude for my education too. Where you get your degree and what you did to get it factors in to who hires you. One of the accomplishments of my life is writing curriculum for students in Northern California. But looking at older kids now I see playing conservation games and going on nature walks with kids was and is just as important to the future of the world.

So my advice is: volunteer work, community college to get into a better school, alternative outlets (I knew I liked to write I never knew I would help write elementary school science curriculum) and perspective, like I got about doing nature walks with kids. It feels like hanging out and maybe not being appreciated but you have no idea who one of those children might be partly because of you at sixteen or twenty.

So I guess that's also advice to teach because our country always needs teachers. I hate the public school system tho.

I dunno. I'm going to grad school. Some people should also consider that. If you have a vision or a plan especially because drifting through academia with no purpose will just get you deeper in debt. I never thought I'd go to grad school then I had An Idea Whose Time Has Come.

Funny for an ISFP who worked with my body until I was 30-35ish. But one day the world just opened up. I'm very lucky. I also mostly get by as a minimalist with gig type jobs. It's an option.
 
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Update: Gonna add some more information just in case it helps someone else see that it can get better.

I know it is definitely discouraging when you are first entering the job market. To say my son was depressed about employment opportunities just 2 years ago is a major understatement. A little less than two years ago he was a bank teller working 36 hours a week earning $11.75 per hour.

He ended up working as a teller for about 4 1/2 months. As a 4 year college graduate with loans to pay a teller position was definitely not what he hoped for. Fortunately after getting a few months work experience as a teller he was able to get another company to give him an opportunity.

In November of 2017 he started a new job paying $14.50 per hour plus bonuses. Which was equal to about $40,000 per year. Approximately 6 weeks ago he was offered a new salaried position with the same company and will now earn about $53,000 per year. While he definitely would like to earn more, that's not bad for someone who just turned 24 a month ago.

I guess? If all you care about is money. I don't see anything impressive about fifty grand a year at 24 if it doesn't give you personal satisfaction or spiritual growth or individual freedom. A STRIPPER can make more than that at 24.

Im disturbed if earning potential is the only way you messure your son and may he run like hell away from you.
 

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@jamaix I got my current job through networking, and it's exactly the job that I dreamt of having while I was doing my degree. I can't stress enough the importance of networking in the corporate world.
 

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I guess? If all you care about is money. I don't see anything impressive about fifty grand a year at 24 if it doesn't give you personal satisfaction or spiritual growth or individual freedom. A STRIPPER can make more than that at 24.

Im disturbed if earning potential is the only way you messure your son and may he run like hell away from you.
He is doing something he enjoys. Plus, he has some pretty hefty college loans that he has to pay off so earning enough to do so was important.

We live in a rust belt state with one of the lowest cost of living expense. That also means wages tend to be much lower here than in states like New York, California, etc. So that is important to consider. His wife is also 24 and she is a registered nurse and her wages are also lower than the national average. (I think she earns 24 to 25 per hour and she works at a research hospital) However, the lower wages paid in our state are offset by the fact that this is one of the cheapest states to live in.

My son and DIL law both love their jobs. My son talks about his work all the time.


ETA You don't know me at all. So I'm not sure why you are making the type comments you have made about running the hell away from me. I made this thread because son was extremely despressed at the time and I didn't know how to help him. He was very discouraged about the pay he was receiving. I would love him whether even if he worked the rest his life at a Wendy's flipping burgers. But I wanted him to be happy and making $11 an hour was not doing that.
 

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He is doing something he enjoys. Plus, he has some pretty hefty college loans that he has to pay off so earning enough to do so was important.

We live in a rust belt state with one of the lowest cost of living expense. That also means wages tend to be much lower here than in states like New York, California, etc. So that is important to consider. His wife is also 24 and she is a registered nurse and her wages are also lower than the national average. (I think she earns 24 to 25 per hour and she works at a research hospital) However, the lower wages paid in our state are offset by the fact that this is one of the cheapest states to live in.

My son and DIL law both love their jobs. My son talks about his work all the time.


ETA You don't know me at all. So I'm not sure why you are making the type comments you have made about running the hell away from me. I made this thread because son was extremely despressed at the time and I didn't know how to help him. He was very discouraged about the pay he was receiving. I would love him whether even if he worked the rest his life at a Wendy's flipping burgers. But I wanted him to be happy and making $11 an hour was not doing that.
Some people aren't happy if they aren't knocking others over to make them selves feel taller. Virtue signaling is a tell-tale sign.

I think it's important to realize some are fulfilled by work and others are not. As an INFP, most of my fulfilling interests don't pay well or are inherently unstable vocations. I realized early in life that being fulfilled with work meant being poor. I don't find being poor fulfilling, and it's very limiting. I made the conscious choice to sustain my finances with gainful satisfying work, and find fulfillment elsewhere (hobbies). I now get to have it all, wealth and fulfillment. The earnings allow plenty of resources and time to do what I find fulfilling thanks to the lifestyle my job affords me. Life isn't just about getting a dream job for some, sometimes it's about getting a dream lifestyle, and a suitable job to support it.

My wife is a very different type, and her work is very fulfilling to her, and reasonably lucrative. Not all of us can have this balance, and there is nothing immoral or shameful about that fact.

There is more than one correct answer when it comes to deciding how to structure one's career and financial future as it relates to personal fulfillment and having a good presence in this world.

If your son is happy and financially stable, he's "winning" at the game of life. He's also lucky to have a parent that cares enough to research and advocate for him long after he's moved out on his own.
 

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Some people aren't happy if they aren't knocking others over to make them selves feel taller. Virtue signaling is a tell-tale sign.
sad but true.

I think it's important to realize some are fulfilled by work and others are not. As an INFP, most of my fulfilling interests don't pay well or are inherently unstable vocations. I realized early in life that being fulfilled with work meant being poor. I don't find being poor fulfilling, and it's very limiting. I made the conscious choice to sustain my finances with gainful satisfying work, and find fulfillment elsewhere (hobbies). I now get to have it all, wealth and fulfillment. The earnings allow plenty of resources and time to do what I find fulfilling thanks to the lifestyle my job affords me. Life isn't just about getting a dream job for some, sometimes it's about getting a dream lifestyle, and a suitable job to support it.
My son is an ESTP and his wife is an ENFP. They are night and day different in their personalities. They seem to compliment each other well. What you've said makes a lot of sense. It is hard to be happy when you struggle to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head.

My wife is a very different type, and her work is very fulfilling to her, and reasonably lucrative. Not all of us can have this balance, and there is nothing immoral or shameful about that fact.

There is more than one correct answer when it comes to deciding how to structure one's career and financial future as it relates to personal fulfillment and having a good presence in this world.

If your son is happy and financially stable, he's "winning" at the game of life. He's also lucky to have a parent that cares enough to research and advocate for him long after he's moved out on his own.
Actually at the time I first did this thread he was a recent college grad still living at home. (which was fine with his dad and I, we were not pushing him to move out) He was dating (his wife) at the time and they wanted to get married, but the money for doing so was not there. She wanted to go ahead and just do it as soon as she graduated from college and figure it out on the fly. He was not comfortable with that idea as he was looking at the dollars and cents and telling her the money to do so was not there.

His fiancee was driving a beat up jalopy on its last leg and desperately needed better transportation. The car was so bad it worried him that she was driving around in it with her two young children (2 & 3 at the time) They both had college loans to pay. Although as a single mother of two very young children she did receive some financial aid that helped pay for most of hers. So her loans are a lot smaller than his. But between them they were going to be paying about $1,000 a month in student loans. Plus, she receives no child support for the two young children as their biological dad has failed to pay even a cent of support to this day.

This was a very discouraging and depressing situation to my son as his fiancee lived 2 hours away with her parents and he wanted to move her and her two kids closer (another detail I did not supply in the original OP). I did not supply all the details in my original post as it did not occur to me that I would be accused of being a bad parent who only cared about how much my son earned. He was very depressed because he wanted to get married, he wanted to be able to pay his loans, he wanted to be able to see that they would have enough money to feed and provide shelter for the 4 of them. We were going to let them live with us for a time if need be, but we knew it would not be an ideal situation for them or us. Fortunately, she graduated and was able to get a job near my son and he also got a better job as I detailed above. I was thrilled for them because it meant they could do what they desperately wanted to do.

They've been married about a year and half now and in that time they've had another child, bought a house and his wife is back in school working on her masters. (will be a nurse practitioner when she graduates) My son plans to go back and get his MBA after his wife completes her schooling. She is currently working full time, going to college full time, and has 3 kids 4 and under. I think what they have accomplished in a year and a half is amazing and I am impressed and glad that they are happy!


BTW thanks for your very nice post!
 

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Also gonna add an update here (my first response is on p. 1 haha). I relocated from NYC to Denver metro and that was a HUGE improvement in terms of job/overall career prospects. Granted, I moved for my Master's program, but part of the reason I chose it in the first place was location... including personality, for example because I just could never get a handle on the "networking" thing in NY. It just happens more organically now (that is the case on a personal level as well). There is less of an image culture, of having to "sell yourself" and all that... in my experience. All the stuff I always struggled with because it seemed so phony, and almost deceptive at times.

Yes, there is still competition and you still have to work for something when you want it. And large metros in general are probably not ideal for me but I think Denver is ranked like #2 best place to live in the US (US News anyway)? A lot of that has to do with the economy; I just hope it doesn't get overridden by population growth and end up in the same vicious cycle of overcrowding, job saturation, and 0 disposable income that I have wanted out of my entire child and adult life. lol.
 
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