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Does anybody ever experience that moment when you're listening to a song, and suddenly you are pushed into a stronger than normal feeling and sensation at a certain part of the song? It's not quite deja vu, it's not like I can pinpoint any memory or specific thought process. It just feels nostalgic for some reason, sort of like that specific part of the song made you relive some moment from an earlier part of your life, even though you can't put your finger on exactly what that feeling or memory is. Does this have to do with any cognitive functions?
 

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Does anybody ever experience that moment when you're listening to a song, and suddenly you are pushed into a stronger than normal feeling and sensation at a certain part of the song? It's not quite deja vu, it's not like I can pinpoint any memory or specific thought process. It just feels nostalgic for some reason, sort of like that specific part of the song made you relive some moment from an earlier part of your life, even though you can't put your finger on exactly what that feeling or memory is. Does this have to do with any cognitive functions?
I think I know exactly what you're talking about. It's something akin to nostalgia, except it's for a feeling rather than say a place or memory or person.

But the feeling you have nostalgia for isn't tied to any concrete moment in time. But it doesn't feel like the present or future.

If I'm thinking of the same thing as you, I believe that is Si.
 

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@Bunniculla

I feel that and so many other emotions in songs. I seem to perceive something more than just sound waves. Vibes and feelings in them aren't alien to me. Do you have examples, I'm curious.

BTW it's totally normal, there were studies about that.


See? and net is full of these pics, I have found some articles:
7 Fascinating Ways Music Can Affect Your Emotions
https://www.unbelievable-facts.com/2015/04/facts-about-music.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/naked-truth/201410/music-is-what-feelings-sound

I'm not sure if they are completely legit, but I can say that music in general affects our feelings and memories. I think that's true. Sometimes music can feel like entering another world (or space traveling):

Sometimes wanna go fast:

Sometimes make you feel like reaching something much greater, the ultimate:

Or just get you "high":

Our emotions are wild animals and pretty often sound waves can dictate them. It feels special, but believe me, many people are able to feel something like that. If music can make you feel, then why it shouldn't make you feel nostalgic or put you into some moods? I personally found some music barely listenable just because I'm feeling so far away from reality and I fucking hate that. Something like grim reaper dragging me into other world and it feels like trip to far away, that you totally don't wanna enter. So my answer for whatever your question was is that I feel something like that and it's normal, but I don't really think it's something cognitive function related.
 

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Does anybody ever experience that moment when you're listening to a song, and suddenly you are pushed into a stronger than normal feeling and sensation at a certain part of the song? It's not quite deja vu, it's not like I can pinpoint any memory or specific thought process. It just feels nostalgic for some reason, sort of like that specific part of the song made you relive some moment from an earlier part of your life, even though you can't put your finger on exactly what that feeling or memory is. Does this have to do with any cognitive functions?
I think I know exactly what you're talking about. It's something akin to nostalgia, except it's for a feeling rather than say a place or memory or person.

But the feeling you have nostalgia for isn't tied to any concrete moment in time. But it doesn't feel like the present or future.

If I'm thinking of the same thing as you, I believe that is Si.
What you're describing is indeed Si.
 

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l’espirit rouge;39962642 said:
But what about me?
What you're describing seems to be emotions evoked by music (apparently associated with doing various extreme activities, like driving fast cars; typical Se). Strictly speaking, what they're talking about probably shouldn't be described as an emotion. It's more 'physical', since it is a sensation. Specifically, it's sentiment. Given that you and I are typed correctly, our experiences of that will be few and far between. When did you last get a strong urge to re-experience or re-create a particular thing you've done in the past? I'm not talking about something like going back to a place that gives you nice Se-experiences (like someplace warm, open, or visually beautiful) that you've been to before. I'm talking about nostalgia, in the capacity of experiencing comfort and security in repeating something that you're familiar with.
 

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What you're describing is indeed Si.
I've talked extensively about this with an INFJ friend. It's not something she can relate to, which is what originally lead me to think it's function related.
 
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I've talked extensively about this with an INFJ friend. It's not something she can relate to, which is what originally lead me to think it's function related.
That's correct. Being oblivious to what's familiar is basically the essence of being an INFJ. One ignores 'the obvious', where this is convention. It's what makes the INFJ hard to understand to everyone who builds their understanding of the world on the basis of what they have experienced in the past, which is most people. To most, such convention is literally knowledge. I think that's probably wrong. Knowledge of X is whatever theory you have that best fits the available evidence that you have with respect to X. These accounts of knowledge come apart, because what's conventional need not be what best accords with the evidence. Sometimes, a new piece of evidence requires a highly unconventional re-interpretation of the data that received wisdoms are based on.
 

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l’espirit rouge;39962642 said:
But what about me?
Branching off a bit on this subject: when you listen to music, do you experience a strong emotion from it that has no ties to any physical or mental thing (this includes external and internal factors such as people, experiences, your thoughts, etc)? In other words, there is no real source for the emotion except the music itself?

And do you find you can recall the exact emotional "experience" in perfect, complete detail the next hundred times you listen to that song? And the emotion is distinctly tied to the song, and cannot be reproduced or replicated the exact same way by any other music?

And do you relisten to the song to continually re-engage that emotion?
 

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l’espirit rouge;39962642 said:
But what about me?
Agreed with @Seq. While I did appreciate your response, I didn't think it was the same thing that @Coburn and I were describing. However, to be fair, it's not that easy to explain in words since the thought process is not very obvious and clear, and the recalling process proves to be a bit difficult because of this. What we are describing is more of an involuntary sentimental feeling that just happens as a reaction to certain stimulus.
 

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That's correct. Being oblivious to what's familiar is basically the essence of being an INFJ. One ignores 'the obvious', where this is convention. It's what makes the INFJ hard to understand to everyone who builds their understanding of the world on the basis of what they have experienced in the past, which is most people. To most, such convention is literally knowledge. I think that's probably wrong. Knowledge of X is whatever theory you have that best fits the available evidence that you have with respect to X. These accounts of knowledge come apart, because what's conventional need not be what best accords with the evidence. Sometimes, a new piece of evidence requires a highly unconventional re-interpretation of the data that received wisdoms are based on.
Being an introverted function, Si is about subjective, abstract interpretation of physical sensations. While Si does utilize physical sensations as the basis for it's abstractions, it would be inaccurate to say it's simply past accumulated knowledge. That's more the domain of Se and Te.

Then again, you said "experienced in the past," so that statement could go either way for interpretation.
 

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What you're describing seems to be emotions evoked by music (apparently associated with doing various extreme activities, like driving fast cars; typical Se)
activities as concept only, I never drove a car and it's not extreme to drive a bit faster. My dad is almost always 20 kph over speed limit.

Strictly speaking, what they're talking about probably shouldn't be described as an emotion. It's more 'physical', since it is a sensation. Specifically, it's sentiment.
but OP said it provokes feelings and in the form or feeling and seeing the invisible (accurately intangible)


Given that you and I are typed correctly, our experiences of that will be few and far between.
I expect us to be really far away in similarities. A complete inversion of personalities, well not really complete, but a strong one.



When did you last get a strong urge to re-experience or re-create a particular thing you've done in the past?
This one:
http://personalitycafe.com/science-technology/1160874-athlonium-64-a.html
...became a long term project and is still being done.

Playing the video games I have been playing in the past

Having interest in older computer hardware in general sense

One of my life dreams is to buy Ford Escort mk4, that was my parent's first car and I developed feelings for it. I don't seem to get rid of them after almost 7 years.

If you wanna know, then I pretty often operate in past and now, not a lot in the future.


I'm not talking about something like going back to a place that gives you nice Se-experiences (like someplace warm, open, or visually beautiful) that you've been to before. I'm talking about nostalgia, in the capacity of experiencing comfort and security in repeating something that you're familiar with.
Hard to say anything, but when shit goes wrong, reverting to the last stable/working stuff is a good decision. Okay, I'm not entirely sure what you meant here or what to write as many of those things have more or less sensory connections, but you want none of that, so I dunno what to do.
 

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Being an introverted function, Si is about subjective, abstract interpretation of physical sensations. While Si does utilize physical sensations as the basis for it's abstractions, it would be inaccurate to say it's simply past accumulated knowledge. That's more the domain of Se and Te.

Then again, you said "experienced in the past," so that statement could go either way for interpretation.
Indeed. I was defining knowledge, and I wouldn't have defined that term as past accumulated knowledge. That would clearly be circular. I meant past experiences very much in the sense of what you said, i.e. "subjective, abstract interpretations of physical sensations". As you have also said, Si-experiences seem to exhibit a kind of uniqueness. This is curious to me, because as far as I am concerned, everything is possible to synthesise into a larger whole.
 

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Branching off a bit on this subject: when you listen to music, do you experience a strong emotion from it that has no ties to any physical or mental thing (this includes external and internal factors such as people, experiences, your thoughts, etc)? In other words, there is no real source for the emotion except the music itself?
yep. From this specific song I felt the feeling of copper:

I just after one time once felt it and still associate it with it. It's simply unexplainable.

And do you find you can recall the exact emotional "experience" in perfect, complete detail the next hundred times you listen to that song? And the emotion is distinctly tied to the song, and cannot be reproduced or replicated the exact same way by any other music?
I can agree with everything, except replication of different song. In very rare case same emotion with great depth can be felt in another song, but that's truly rare.


And do you relisten to the song to continually re-engage that emotion?
I certainly do. I can relisten to the same thing over 30 times and still be into same feeling and discovering it as adventure. After I got my real sound card I was enjoying same stuff even more.
 

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Agreed with @Seq. While I did appreciate your response, I didn't think it was the same thing that @Coburn and I were describing. However, to be fair, it's not that easy to explain in words since the thought process is not very obvious and clear, and the recalling process proves to be a bit difficult because of this. What we are describing is more of an involuntary sentimental feeling that just happens as a reaction to certain stimulus.
Ok, then guess it's not the same. After replying to Coburn's post I felt a difference. To be honest, I feel like a fool with a need to prove myself to random dude of what I feel. Idiotic situation, but I agree that we are different. Maybe then it's Si in work and I work differently. I'm not sure, but didn't went into greatest depths of what I experience in music. In the, I have an idea is that introverted functions are hard to explain and perceiving ones are the hardest.

I feel so out of place in this thread. Sorry for intruding it.
 

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l’espirit rouge;39963690 said:
Ok, then guess it's not the same. After replying to Coburn's post I felt a difference. To be honest, I feel like a fool with a need to prove myself to random dude of what I feel. Idiotic situation, but I agree that we are different. Maybe then it's Si in work and I work differently. I'm not sure, but didn't went into greatest depths of what I experience in music. In the, I have an idea is that introverted functions are hard to explain and perceiving ones are the hardest.

I feel so out of place in this thread. Sorry for intruding it.
I wasn't really trying to challenge you, although I can see how the machine gun style questioning came off that way. Sorry about that. It was more trying to put my experience into words to see what you relate to.

It's interesting, though. If you relate than it may not be as Si oriented as I've always believed.
 

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I wasn't really trying to challenge you, although I can see how the machine gun style questioning came off that way. Sorry about that. It was more trying to put my experience into words to see what you relate to.
Nah, you didn't really challenge me, but you was talking about other thing altogether while I wasn't. I realized that too late and...you see what happened. Your style of perceptions is different and it's pretty obvious, just that the results are similar (that's a bit vague, isn't it?). Our frameworks (function stacks) are different, but even then they arrange information differently and still they do a very similar process, just that the attempts are very different. That's why we as humans can do pretty much everything as other one of us can. Cognitive functions shall never limit the things we can do, but our attempt will naturally differ and will be understood as types.


It's interesting, though. If you relate than it may not be as Si oriented as I've always believed.
In your case it's easy to associate stuff with Si, but now it's a mystery of my process. Was it Se-Ni combo or something even weirder, I don't know. Just that something not so straight-forward happens in me. Maybe even some intelligences play a part into that. In that case stuff really becomes much more complicated.
 

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Yes, I think I know exactly what you're talking about.

As I was reading the OP, I was thinking of a very specific moment - to moment(s) - introduced in a song that I discovered recently which brought on such feeling. It's like you catch a glimpse of something from your past that's a bit foggy, but triggers some kind of thought trail that leads you to a certain kind of epiphany for your current life status. Almost like an out of body third perspective oversight, where suddenly you re-rerember these answers that were so obvious; and maybe because of that, so easily forgotten.

It's not the first time that's happened, nor the first song from. Sung.
 

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Yes, I think I know exactly what you're talking about.

As I was reading the OP, I was thinking of a very specific moment - to moment(s) - introduced in a song that I discovered recently which brought on such feeling. It's like you catch a glimpse of something from your past that's a bit foggy, but triggers some kind of thought trail that leads you to a certain kind of epiphany for your current life status. Almost like an out of body third perspective oversight, where suddenly you re-rerember these answers that were so obvious; and maybe because of that, so easily forgotten.

It's not the first time that's happened, nor the first song from. Sung.
Wonder whether it's due to a familiar chord progression, or a melody, a turn of phrase etc..
 
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