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Interesting. I've done experiments with fasting but have not made it a regular practice. But perhaps.. who knows...:)

Can you tell a bit more? Do you do this fasting all the time? Or not in the weekend perhaps? Do you eat nothing at all or perhaps a very light meal? Do you eat more than you would if you were not fasting on the normal day? How long have you been doing this? Will you keep doing it you think?
Well there are different ways to set it up and you have a lot of room for personal preference if you try it. my personal preference is to do a water fast on the fasting day, and water fast for part of the eating day (until I'm finished being productive) then eat and relax. I eat much more than other people eat when it's time to eat. I eat 2 days worth of food every other evening. I repeat this every 2 days. There is a massive food coma but I don't mind because it is so contained and because I sleep right after eating.

I was doing other types of intermittent fasting for most of my life (like 16/8, 20/4, one meal a day) and recently switched to this a few weeks ago. I like it very much so far. Maybe one of the other intermittent fasting schemes is a good place to start if you never tried anything like this before...I liked 20/4 and one meal a day a lot because they also help me concentrate but the reason I wanted to switch to alternate day fasting is because I don't want to feel a food coma every single evening (and I don't want to feel it at work either).

I plan to continue this either permanently or until I find something I like even better than this...but so far I like it better than anything else I tried so far :)
 

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Well yeah, maybe the problem is the self-discipline. This plan will help me on it I'm sure.


I'm not sure if I follow you. This might be a language issue, my native thonge is not english. What do you mean by "around procrastination"?... is it like when I say "manga once every two months" or "youtube 10 minutes max"?

And what do you mean by "beyond procrastination"? and could you give me an example of how you learned to move beyond it?
What I am referring to is trying to defeat procrastination through planning. It strikes me as a plan doomed from the start. I have no idea of how I learned to move beyond it, other than that I learned to will myself to do what I need to do. It's probably a function of maturity as much as anything else, as well as the practical consequences of working to deadlines (being faced with a hard deadline is always useful in finding the means to be more productive).
 

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Well there are different ways to set it up and you have a lot of room for personal preference if you try it. my personal preference is to do a water fast on the fasting day, and water fast for part of the eating day (until I'm finished being productive) then eat and relax. I eat much more than other people eat when it's time to eat. I eat 2 days worth of food every other evening. I repeat this every 2 days. There is a massive food coma but I don't mind because it is so contained and because I sleep right after eating.

I was doing other types of intermittent fasting for most of my life (like 16/8, 20/4, one meal a day) and recently switched to this a few weeks ago. I like it very much so far. Maybe one of the other intermittent fasting schemes is a good place to start if you never tried anything like this before...I liked 20/4 and one meal a day a lot because they also help me concentrate but the reason I wanted to switch to alternate day fasting is because I don't want to feel a food coma every single evening (and I don't want to feel it at work either).

I plan to continue this either permanently or until I find something I like even better than this...but so far I like it better than anything else I tried so far :)
I've done a seven day water/juice fast once. Was a worthwhile experience that made me more conscious about food choices and habits and how the body adjusts. And i read about the health advantages and dangers often associated with fasting. Your comments inspire me to think on this again.

The 'massive food coma' part seems like it could be dangerous though. With longer fasting it is always advised to be careful when breaking the fast by slowly introducing food into the system again. E.g. https://paleoleap.com/long-fasts/
Perhaps this is also better with intermittent fasting? That is to eat more smaller portions on the food day?

Didn't know so many people get so sleepy after meals, but i read it's very common.
Have you considered the possibility of a metabolic disorder though? E.g. Why I get sleepy after meals | Manna Health
 

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I haven't read all posts here but would like to comment, this time seriously.

People normally procrastinate for a reason.

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- you feel lonely and look for contact with people online not having the possibility to satisfy your need to be with people offline. (This is my case - because of a crazy lifestyle I feel too tired to go out so I waste time online)

- you have some other problems which make you distracted and unable to concentrate on what you're doing. This can be completely unrelated, e.g. you're afraid your gf/bf will leave you so you're so stressed you can't focus and procrastinate

- you don't find your work (or: what you should be doing instead of procrastinating) exciting enough. It's logical then that your mind springs to something more exciting

- you are afraid of failure, so you procrastinate in order not to make an effort at all. (E.g. you should be looking for a job, but if you apply you will also get rejections, which nobody likes, so hey, why not watch this anime instead).

If there wasn't for these causes eliminating procrastination would be super easy - just turn off your phone, install some fb blocker in order to eliminate distraction and that's it. Unfortunately, there's frequently more to it.

However, it should also be told that some amount of procrastination is normal. Also, research shows that people who procrastinate are more creative although the reasons why this happens aren't known.
 

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I've done a seven day water/juice fast once. Was a worthwhile experience that made me more conscious about food choices and habits and how the body adjusts. And i read about the health advantages and dangers often associated with fasting. Your comments inspire me to think on this again.

The 'massive food coma' part seems like it could be dangerous though. With longer fasting it is always advised to be careful when breaking the fast by slowly introducing food into the system again. E.g. https://paleoleap.com/long-fasts/
Perhaps this is also better with intermittent fasting? That is to eat more smaller portions on the food day?

Didn't know so many people get so sleepy after meals, but i read it's very common.
Have you considered the possibility of a metabolic disorder though? E.g. Why I get sleepy after meals | Manna Health
blah blah blah unsolicited advice
 

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blah blah blah unsolicited advice
Wow... that was rude and unnecessary.

I was genuinely interested in your experience and opinion. If i had known you are one of those people who only like to give advice but cannot stand it when someone else suggests something to them or questions the wisdom of something they have decided is right... i would have never said a single unsolicited word to you.
 

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Wow... that was rude and unnecessary.

I was genuinely interested in your experience and opinion. If i had known you are one of those people who only like to give advice but cannot stand it when someone else suggests something to them or questions the wisdom of something they have decided is right... i would have never said a single unsolicited word to you.

Right ...look at your own etiquette before you accuse me of being rude.

You asked for detail about what I was doing and you sounded genuinely interested so I took the time to answer. Instead of continuing the curiosity you instantly switched to making assumptions and dishing out unsolicited advice. If I had known you were heading in that direction I wouldn't have taken the time to reply in the first place. I want my 5 minutes back.

And people who give unsolicited advice need to realize the reply isn't always going to be rainbows and flowers. If you make that etiquette blunder and then expect the other person to spend emotional energy making you feel good then you're messing up twice instead of just once.
 

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Right ...look at your own etiquette before you accuse me of being rude.

You asked for detail about what I was doing and you sounded genuinely interested
That is because i am.

so I took the time to answer.
And i thanked you for it. With a thankyou and by saying it inspired me. Can you take a compliment or do you only see offenses?

Instead of continuing the curiosity you instantly switched to making assumptions
Those are false statements. Since i did continue the curiosity else i wouldn't be reading on it again and else i wouldn't ask questions. Also what do i assume? I mentioned possibilities with words as "perhaps" and "possibility". And neither of those questions, or advice if you want, are rude.

and dishing out unsolicited advice. If I had known you were heading in that direction I wouldn't have taken the time to reply in the first place. I want my 5 minutes back.

And people who give unsolicited advice need to realize the reply isn't always going to be rainbows and flowers. If you make that etiquette blunder and then expect the other person to spend emotional energy making you feel good then you're messing up twice instead of just once.
Are you an INTJ or a SJW? If the former i expect you to reread and rethink and not get offended by something that isn't there.
 

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blah blah blah blah I'm butthurt
You assumed that "food coma" meant something beyond the extremely common and normal usage of that phrase

You gave unsolicited advice about what you think I should do about your incorrect interpretation of "food coma"

You got butthurt because I called you out bluntly on your unsolicited advice instead of responding with rainbows and flowers.

And by the way, the standard "polite" response to unsolicited advice is to pretend to be interested in the unsolicited advice and pretend to be thankful for it - lol. If you've given unsolicited advice in the past and people responded exactly how you wanted, that's almost certainly what they were doing - pretending to be interested in your precious little unsolicited opinion. Lol.

Poor you - it must be so awful to not in the group of people whose opinion I'm interested in, on the topic of my health and what I eat. That sounds so hard for you. POOR YOU. Lol.

Why you expect me to be interested in your opinion just because you asked me a question baffles me. But it's fun calling you out on it and watching you get butthurt.
 

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Thanks @martinkunev. I see your points and I'm actually already doing some of the things you're suggesting, some of them I'm not. Being productive is the main issue but I'm already implementing some techniques for it.

However, this post is for talking about this specific problem alone; the fact than I'm tired of wasting my time consuming media ALONE (tv shows, movies, anime, manga, entertaintment youtube channels and let's put books in here too). Maybe it isn't neccessary to include "randomly browsing the web", or youtube, or reddit or facebook.

I think the main issue is consuming entertaintment when I'm alone, because the hours wasted are too many. I see no problem in my down time wasting time talking to people, or consuming media with people (I never said I'm giving up on social interaction, just giving up on looking for a partner/couple/gf, for some time). I also know that I can't be productive all the time, but I'm saying it's a good idea to just be alone with my thoughts instead of watching/reading fictional stories that generally stay in my mind for days.
 

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1) For 'downtime' where I needed rest but still wanted some kind of stimulation, instead of browsing the internet or watching Netflix, I did puzzles (we had a murder mystery one, where you solve a mystery with clues that are in the puzzle) and read.
2) I went on walks more often, learned about new places, talked more with strangers.
3) I sat quietly and found it easier to relax without noise - often, in those moments, I would remember something I would want to do or become inspired when I was stuck on something.
I'm doing relatively similar things. Instead of puzzles I'm getting better at drawing. I'm also going for a morning run every other day, and I try everyday to spend 10 or 30 minutes alone with my thoughts, with my cell phone off.

Part of productivity, especially for an N user, is to have some freedom to "process" creatively, so I wouldn't cut out leisure activities so much as try to curtail hyper-focusing on them. Personally, I find that the slower the pace, the easier it is for me to change gears or not lose track of how much time I am spending on something.
Yeah, maybe I over did it regarding: browsing the web, reddit, browsing youtube, and facebook/instagram. But saying goodbye to tv shows, movies, anime and such (even youtube entertaintment channels) is really beneficial for me right now, because I can get distracted and obsessed by certain thoughts, and adding all this media to it is just too much.
 

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I haven't read all posts here but would like to comment, this time seriously.

People normally procrastinate for a reason.

Maybe

- you feel lonely and look for contact with people online not having the possibility to satisfy your need to be with people offline. (This is my case - because of a crazy lifestyle I feel too tired to go out so I waste time online)

- you have some other problems which make you distracted and unable to concentrate on what you're doing. This can be completely unrelated, e.g. you're afraid your gf/bf will leave you so you're so stressed you can't focus and procrastinate

- you don't find your work (or: what you should be doing instead of procrastinating) exciting enough. It's logical then that your mind springs to something more exciting

- you are afraid of failure, so you procrastinate in order not to make an effort at all. (E.g. you should be looking for a job, but if you apply you will also get rejections, which nobody likes, so hey, why not watch this anime instead).

If there wasn't for these causes eliminating procrastination would be super easy - just turn off your phone, install some fb blocker in order to eliminate distraction and that's it. Unfortunately, there's frequently more to it.

However, it should also be told that some amount of procrastination is normal. Also, research shows that people who procrastinate are more creative although the reasons why this happens aren't known.
I relate to most of this, maybe not currently with all of it, but yeah, I feel you. Some of this helps me procrastinate. But removing all the media consumption (well, maybe not all of it, but definitely the ones that offer this fictional stories that take my mind somewhere else) is a nice way to: instead of wasting my time on entertaintment, I waste that time inside my head, which helps because sometimes or most times my thoughst bring me back to reality and the things that I need to do. See my point? I'm just making this plan so I can remove those massive distractions.
 

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You assumed that "food coma" meant something beyond the extremely common and normal usage of that phrase
That is an interesting statement. The term "food coma" is common and so is "after dinner dip".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postprandial_somnolence
I expect people that are heavily affected to call it a coma while others may not classify it as something so severe. In my case, i never call it a coma.

However, there is the question of how normal it really is. For example:
www.doctorshealthpress.com/food-and-nutrition-articles/food-coma/ said:
Side Effects of a Food Coma

A food coma, in and of itself, does not have side effects unless you fall asleep while driving or in a compromising position around friends with video cameras, markers, and some free time. However, the key thing to remember is that food comas are not supposed to be normal occurrences in a healthy diet.

If you find yourself becoming bloated, sleepy, and otherwise drained after meals, it could be a sign that you are overeating regularly. Alternatively, it could mean you have an underlying disorder. For instance, diabetics are more prone to food coma-like symptoms due to hypoglycemia. So unless you have diabetes, a food coma or feeling sleepy after eating isn’t anything to worry about. Enjoy!
You gave unsolicited advice about what you think I should do about your incorrect interpretation of "food coma"
You see, i didn't say anything unreasonable. The question i ask myself is if i think i should eat a big meal right before going to sleep and then eat almost nothing for 1,2 days until i do it again. Doesn't seem like it would be very healthy for me.


You got butthurt because I called you out bluntly on your unsolicited advice instead of responding with rainbows and flowers.

And by the way, the standard "polite" response to unsolicited advice is to pretend to be interested in the unsolicited advice and pretend to be thankful for it - lol. If you've given unsolicited advice in the past and people responded exactly how you wanted, that's almost certainly what they were doing - pretending to be interested in your precious little unsolicited opinion. Lol.

Poor you - it must be so awful to not in the group of people whose opinion I'm interested in, on the topic of my health and what I eat. That sounds so hard for you. POOR YOU. Lol.

Why you expect me to be interested in your opinion just because you asked me a question baffles me. But it's fun calling you out on it and watching you get butthurt.
It seems to me that this topic is very sensitive for you.
 

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Who told you that doing what you feel like doing without a forcedly countable, tangible, external achievement in sight is unproductive?

What about living?

It's not a game with Steam achievements, but can be much more.

Why not movies alone? You establish a far deeper relation with the movie, if you are alone as you watch it.

When you list Reddit, Fakebook, ...
that's not unproductive activities, that's thoughtless activities, it's another matter entirely, and I agree they are time-wasters.
 

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It seems to me that this topic is very sensitive for you.
I am just incredibly tired of doing that "politely pretend to be thankful for unsolicited advice" thing - to me that feels like pretending to be thankful to someone for stepping on my toe - ugh lol. There are many social customs I've learned and most of them make sense in some way but never that one. It never gets old doing something other than the pretend thanks.
 

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I'm in the same boat as you more or less, except I don't have enough motivation to actually stop procrastinating and being lazy because I don't have much to do to begin with. Anyway, I hope you succeed, I know how it sucks to get stuck in your own distractions.
 
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