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I understand that the title is of course a great over generalization, but I have been reading a bit about Schizotypal personality disorder , and I certainly relate to these symptoms, and have a feeling other INFP's might too:
  • Jumping quickly from one topic to another, making conversation quite confusing for others. Using odd words and having difficulty explaining or expressing feelings easily, often forgetting what I mean to say all together!
  • Inclined to believing in the paranormal, that you may have some extra sensory powers and believing that events may hold some specific meaning to you.
  • Having odd and eccentric habits and appearances.
  • Often seeking isolation because you have trouble with strongly emotional relationships, as I certainly have trouble with close bonds, and trusting people on an emotional level.
  • Anxiety. (enough said!)
  • I personally don't really get depressed, but from what I read on these forums, I know that many INFP's do, so I'll add that to the list...
  • Depression (added! :D )

I probably don't have this disorder, but the similarities are very interesting...


Anyone else feel the same? :)
 

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I have all these apart from depression see a specialist now otherwise you may get worse.the medication really helps i am on respiredone 2mg in the morning and 2mg of a night.been on them for ten years now and at last i feel normal just.more often people just accept the world as normal i find it more magical.
 

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I understand that the title is of course a great over generalization, but I have been reading a bit about Schizotypal personality disorder , and I certainly relate to these symptoms, and have a feeling other INFP's might too:
  • Jumping quickly from one topic to another, making conversation quite confusing for others. Using odd words and having difficulty explaining or expressing feelings easily, often forgetting what I mean to say all together!
  • Inclined to believing in the paranormal, that you may have some extra sensory powers and believing that events may hold some specific meaning to you.
  • Having odd and eccentric habits and appearances.
  • Often seeking isolation because you have trouble with strongly emotional relationships, as I certainly have trouble with close bonds, and trusting people on an emotional level.
  • Anxiety. (enough said!)
  • I personally don't really get depressed, but from what I read on these forums, I know that many INFP's do, so I'll add that to the list...
  • Depression (added! :D )

I probably don't have this disorder, but the similarities are very interesting...


Anyone else feel the same? :)
If you tell me that's a disorder you're practically telling me being INFP is a disorder...

Okay, some of them would be more typical of an unhealthy INFP but...

What's wrong with this:
-Having odd and eccentric habits and appearances.
- Depression (Of course it's bad but I guess some personalities are more prone to it, like mine, but does that mean we have a disorder?)
- Anxiety. (same..)
- Often seeking isolation because you have trouble with strongly emotional relationships, as I certainly have trouble with close bonds, and trusting people on an emotional level. (I don't think it's necessarily bad. If you cannot trust ANYONE at all, I guess it's a problem. But needing/wanting space and not being open to most people is very normal if not essential of INFPs)
 
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@AnnieeBubble, do you know how psychiatrists come up with these "disorders"? Their ways are not very scientific.

Let's look at the "symptoms'':
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Jumping quickly from one topic to another, making conversation quite confusing for others. Using odd words and having difficulty explaining or expressing feelings easily, often forgetting what I mean to say all together!
Jumping from one topic to another is what many people do, mostly Ne-users.OK, when someone overdoes it, then it really is hard to keep up with that person, but that is not a sign of a disorder. What do you think they mean by "odd words"?
The ability to express and explain feelings has to do with Emotional Intelligence. There are plenty of sane people out there who are not good at expressing feelings, yet they are just different and stronger in other aspects of life. Or maybe you just don't have the desire to show them?
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Inclined to believing in the paranormal, that you may have some extra sensory powers and believing that events may hold some specific meaning to you.
By this defintion religious individuals and occultists are disordered. This is called a discrimination. It's a well-known statement that anyone can believe in whatever he wants as long as he doesn't impose his views on others. Secondly, science is yet to prove the inexistence of the paranormal.
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Having odd and eccentric habits and appearances.
"Odd" and "eccentric'' are relative terms. So is "normal". We should leave them to the philosophers. A "normal" person would also be classified as insane in a room full of "mentally ill". The majority is always "healthy".
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Often seeking isolation because you have trouble with strongly emotional relationships, as I certainly have trouble with close bonds, and trusting people on an emotional level.
This is more complicated and it is also highly individual depending on the person. There must be reasons for this behavior. Things from the outer world which caused it. You weren't born as a suspicious person(you say that you have trouble trusting people), your personality was probably inclined towards using suspicion as a coping mechanism. And something activated that coping mechanism. Emotional trauma maybe? Or just very strong preference for introversion? Do you want to trust people emotionally? Do you want to form bonds? Does it bother you that you're not good at it? Or is it society's attitude towards you that makes you feel bad about yourself? If you're okay with it and you enjoy your life-then I don't see a problem.
Anxiety. (enough said!) Depression (added! :D )
Of course being misunderstood by society and then considered disordered by psychiatrists would cause anxiety and depression! You start feeling like a second-rate person.

If you want to change in case this way of living doesn't appeal to you(not what appeals to others), then you might want to consider psychotherapy. And do not start taking pills before you have tried every other possible alternative.
 

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As long as you realize being INFP is not a "disorder", but just the wonderful type of person you really are.

I am a master of the weird, as well as of unique habits, and live in a wonderful, imaginative, musical world inside my head-I don't believe I have any disorders. Unless being myself is also considered a problem, in which case I'll just ignore it and keep having such "malady" for the rest of my life, as there's nothing better than being free to be yourself in your full glory.
 

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@IcarusDreams @VisitorFromThe11thD @Naidox @Adoptive Thank you all for your kind words cementing exactly what I was thinking @Adoptive I'm sorry you've had to take pills, but glad you're feeling better now!)

Sorry, I don't think I made myself too clear before though... I read that you should get help with a 'mental illness' and call it as such if it is really badly affecting your life (is that right?)

I'm generally really happy with life, and really don't think I have a mental disorder! Some people may think we're strange, or dumb, or naive, but they just don't understand our genius, me thinks ;)

I was mainly writing it to discuss the place of psychology right now. It seems that nearly everyone, could probably fit into one or more 'mental illness' categories from what all of the symptoms say, if they are not the absolute normal, "average Joe." (Especially us INFPs it seems, as though society doesn't want us! That doesn't matter though, because we want us :) )

It's just quite sad to see really awesome people given medication because they're guilty of being themselves (as if that were ever a crime!) And then the medication messes with chemicals in the brain (I have always been suspicious of that sort of thing) to take away what was good and make them just like everyone else..

Sorry, I probably misled you guys a bit. Maybe I should change the title instead to the "Let's Rewrite Psychology To Save the World from Inadequate Diagnosis!" ? thread...

yeaaa.. anyway, thanks for all the help - you are all Fantastically Friendly Fabulosities :')

(Btw, I'm really not trying to offend people, as there are genuinely terrible mental disorders that people suffer from and medication is an awesome help. I just think that 'over diagnosing' is really damaging...)


EDIT: I read that back, and who even is "everyone else"? There is no 'average Joe', because everyone is crazy it seems to me! (Some people just hide it better than others ;) ) Who are they even judging as the 'norm' anyone? If I love wasps, then everyone who hates wasps, to me, would seem absurd! How do psychologists measure? And how do you propose we do 'measure' if they don't?
 

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@AnnieeBubble, do you know how psychiatrists come up with these "disorders"? Their ways are not very scientific.
I personally find most of psychology not very scientific...
Freud, Jung and Adler all came up with models of the psyche based on their experiences (mostly with patients), as did other psychologists. Every therapist could develop his own model of the psyche if this is the only standard...

This check lists are very vague. I can see myself in almost every personality disorder listed in the ICD-10 (and maybe DSM) but I know for certain that I don't have any of this disorders! The thin line between personality and disorder is the degree of suffering. But it is not a very reliable distinction since great personalities for example mostly would fit this lists and do suffer just because they are different and try to change the world.
 

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@TheTwin very good point! Psychology is certainly not quite as rigorous a science as.. medical science!

@AnnieeBubble, do you know how psychiatrists come up with these "disorders"? Their ways are not very scientific.

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"Odd" and "eccentric'' are relative terms. So is "normal". We should leave them to the philosophers. A "normal" person would also be classified as insane in a room full of "mentally ill". The majority is always "healthy".
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This is more complicated and it is also highly individual depending on the person. There must be reasons for this behavior. Things from the outer world which caused it. You weren't born as a suspicious person(you say that you have trouble trusting people), your personality was probably inclined towards using suspicion as a coping mechanism. And something activated that coping mechanism. Emotional trauma maybe? Or just very strong preference for introversion? Do you want to trust people emotionally? Do you want to form bonds? Does it bother you that you're not good at it? Or is it society's attitude towards you that makes you feel bad about yourself? If you're okay with it and you enjoy your life-then I don't see a problem.

Of course being misunderstood by society and then considered disordered by psychiatrists would cause anxiety and depression! You start feeling like a second-rate person.

If you want to change in case this way of living doesn't appeal to you(not what appeals to others), then you might want to consider psychotherapy. And do not start taking pills before you have tried every other possible alternative.
Woo paranormal, still on the table! ;D

But, in all seriousness, I love how you entirely 'stabbed right through the heart and out the spine' there (for lack of a better phrase...) (oh, and I'm still not being too serious.. dammit)

Anyway, the fact I even wonder a little if I have a disorder (I really don't think I do though, just curious) definitely shows that I have some insecurities that I need to look at, as you said.

Briefly, I've never been emotionally looked after in my life, which is probably why I don't think anyone would ever bother to get to know me on a deep level. It's not so much that I don't trust others, but I probably don't trust I have much worth to others... (I mean, I personally find myself a pretty cool person haha, but I don't think many others would bother finding that out. Pluuuus, it's so fun running around the house naked by myself XD) But yeah, probably a bit to do with the society thing, which I think is a problem we (I) create in our own minds, that doesn't really exist tbh...

But enough about me, because everyone has their own insecurities, and mine really aren't too bad! I'd rather try and see how we could get every individual to find their awesome and be their awesome, as everyone else would benefit from that too! After all who would spend their day staring at identical cube clouds? (No squarephobe)
 

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@VisitorFromThe11thD explained perfectly what I think about original post. Unless you see and experience schizotypal person, one would not believe how severe that is. Nothing on this INFP form shows such severity and malfunction. The paranormal term is going on my nerves. There are many phenomena that called paranormal because they do not have a sophisticated equipment and a way of researching something that mainstream science is not interested in. In my opinion, sometimes they are afraid and close-minded and call some potentially explainable phenomena paranormal. What is more, If we were in 16th century and somebody from this century teleported i-phone or tv set there. We would not able to research it and come to conclusion that is paranormal to have moving pictures and sound coming from a box. Some people would would even think it is satanic.
 
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@TheTwin very good point! Psychology is certainly not quite as rigorous a science as.. medical science!



Woo paranormal, still on the table! ;D

But, in all seriousness, I love how you entirely 'stabbed right through the heart and out the spine' there (for lack of a better phrase...) (oh, and I'm still not being too serious.. dammit)

Anyway, the fact I even wonder a little if I have a disorder (I really don't think I do though, just curious) definitely shows that I have some insecurities that I need to look at, as you said.

Briefly, I've never been emotionally looked after in my life, which is probably why I don't think anyone would ever bother to get to know me on a deep level. It's not so much that I don't trust others, but I probably don't trust I have much worth to others... (I mean, I personally find myself a pretty cool person haha, but I don't think many others would bother finding that out. Pluuuus, it's so fun running around the house naked by myself XD) But yeah, probably a bit to do with the society thing, which I think is a problem we (I) create in our own minds, that doesn't really exist tbh...

But enough about me, because everyone has their own insecurities, and mine really aren't too bad! I'd rather try and see how we could get every individual to find their awesome and be their awesome, as everyone else would benefit from that too! After all who would spend their day staring at identical cube clouds? (No squarephobe)
Just as I thought. And this lack of emotional support is partly responsible for your attitude. I can relate to some things. The funny thing is that the more we are deprived of emotional support, the higher standards we have. For example, what I once would have considered ''great'' I now view as average or phony. If this continues...I really don't know how I'll ever find myself a partner in life.
It's good that you don't worry too much. It's not only our preferences and interests which differentiate us from the other people, our insecurities can also make us stand out.
 

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@AnnieeBubble makes a good point by saying it seems that nearly everyone, could probably fit into one or more 'mental illness' categories, but that's really only true on the surface. When one reads symptoms, it will prime them to think of a personal example. Also, on the same page as @Wild_bird and @VisitorFromThe11thD, the most important part of diagnosis is that it causes consistent, severe distress to an individual or causes interruption in the life/lives of that person and others they come into contact with.

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Inclined to believing in the paranormal, that you may have some extra sensory powers and believing that events may hold some specific meaning to you.
doesn't mean that a person simply believes in ghosts or feels they have a sixth sense and leaves it at that. If it is something that a person cannot stop thinking about though they want to (fixation, obsession), if it causes paranoia or phobia, if it causes them to miss school or work, has a negative impact on their social relationships, gives them perceived reason to hurt themselves or others in some way, that's a more suitable fit to the symptom.

Not to mention that symptoms like these have duration and frequencies that they must meet in order to be considered part of the disorder. You can feel depressed without actually being diagnosable as having depression. It kind of just branches on and on with some symptoms, especially depression. So Schizotypal/Schizotypal Personality Disorder is it's own disorder with its own symptoms. One symptom is depression. And depression can be it's own disorder if diagnosed as Major Depressive Disorder, for example, with its own list of symptoms. One of those symptoms is reoccurring depressive episodes, which have their own criteria for how long they must last and what kind of moods and actions must be present.

I guess to try to sum up what I've said, it does seem like many symptoms of many disorders are symptoms that lots of people can identify with, but there are in fact cut off points for moods/actions/behavior. We all have our quirks, but not necessarily to the cut off points for the symptoms to be considered severe enough for diagnosis of a mental or personality disorder. Behavior that is classifiable as a disorder, as a general, vague rule, is behavior that limits a person from being a functional human being and member of society.
 

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I happened upon this forum when searching around the web if there was a noted relationship between INFPs and Schizotypal disorders - there must be something that has made more than one person come up with the same question of an acknowledged relationship between the two! Actually, the only reason I was put on the thought track of the relationships of disorders and personality types was because of a recent read that INFPs are in fact strongly linked to Avoidant personalities. (This doesn't have to necessarily mean Avoidant Personality Disorder, but an Avoidant attachment style to others in general.) In reading about this disorder and the symptoms of Schizotypal and Schizoid disorders that deal with attachment with other people, I can see some similarities, so I thought that might be another point of interest for those here on this thread!
 
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