I'm a type 7w6 sp/sx, ENTP.are there any other self preservation 7s here on this forum? how do you feel different from So dom 7s and Sx dom 7s?
a lot like you except for the fearing something will go wrong, but I'm also a fan of the description in that link. I enjoyI'm a type 7w6 sp/sx, ENTP.
How I feel different? Well, I don't relate to the super extroverted descriptions of 7s. The best article I could find on self preservation 7s is in the below link.
Enneagram Central - Subtype Seven Self Preservation
This was my life in one page...(except the "cheap" part)
I remain home a lot because I'm afraid that things will turn out badly if I go with my friends. It's a strange fear I have. I'd rather have long conversations discussing absolutely anything over coffee to going out and shopping or sight-seeing or anything of the sort. I want to change that, but I'm afraid that I'll be disappointed and I don't to be disappointed. This rather reserved nature of mine resulted in me testing as a 5w6 for about 6 years and I thought I was INTP until recently. I have a lot of 5-ish tendencies even though I'm sure that I'm 7. I need people, but I'm scared of them. I'm scared of being hurt and I avoid boredom like the plague.
What about you?
This sounds a lot like my husband, who I've had an absurdly hard time typing. I've always gotten a 7 vibe from him but he's not super-extroverted (although way more than me) and he's not scattered in his interests, he's been into the same things his whole life, which made me consider other types, but none ever really fit. He's got his crew of friends who share his interests and that's what they talk about, what they do. He loves to have a good time and enjoy life- planning his fun, that's what he does.The best article I could find on self preservation 7s is in the below link.
Enneagram Central - Subtype Seven Self Preservation
You're welcome...This sounds a lot like my husband, who I've had an absurdly hard time typing. I've always gotten a 7 vibe from him but he's not super-extroverted (although way more than me) and he's not scattered in his interests, he's been into the same things his whole life, which made me consider other types, but none ever really fit. He's got his crew of friends who share his interests and that's what they talk about, what they do. He loves to have a good time and enjoy life- planning his fun, that's what he does.
Thanks for the link.
Also, I really like enjoying my surroundings, and using all my awesome stuff!Some Self-preservation Sevens, while being light-hearted, can also be very tight with money - a cheap streak. Good times that don't cost much are highly desirable. These freebies can nicely be reframed as appreciation of nature or music or poetry -- anything as long as the package doesn't cost much money.
The Self-Preservation Instinct in the Seven
"Getting Mine" (Ichazo's "Defenders") In the average range, Self-Preservation Sevens are determined, energetic people, driven to make sure that their basic needs and comforts will always be met. Their attitudes and concerns tend to emphasize the practical and the material. (In the immortal words of Scarlett O'Hara, "As God is my witness, I will never go hungry again!") They tend to be ambitious and work hard to insure that options will remain open to them.
Self-Preservation Sevens know that they cannot keep track of every piece of information they may need, so they often cultivate a group of friends and "advisors" who share enthusiasms and interests with them. These people keep the Seven informed of new possibilities and resources, and provide the stimulation and social interaction that Sevens enjoy. Self-Preservation Sevens enjoy learning about others' plans and projects as well as regaling others with their own. This is not the same as the bonding with others found in some Sixes, however. The feeling is looser—Self-Preservation Sevens are not interested in developing dependencies on others or in having others depend excessively on them. They want to be able to come and go as they choose and are impatient with restrictions—group participation must feel voluntary, not obligatory.
Less healthy Self-Preservation Sevens can feel impatient and panicky when their needs are not quickly met. They often experience anxieties about the loss of comforts or of material support, and easily feel deprived. (Fears about going hungry are not uncommon.) They can be extremely demanding and cranky when frustrated, expecting others to meet their needs as soon as they are expressed—or even sooner.
In the unhealthy range, Self-Preservation Sevens can be extremely thoughtless and relentless in pursuit of security needs. They aggressively go after whatever they believe will make them feel more secure or stave off their anxiety, and brook no interference. Reckless with their finances and resources, spending out of control or gambling, they can be even more profligate with their own health and inner resources. They push themselves beyond reasonable limits, eating, drinking, and indulging themselves to excess.
Yeah, that's definitely me. However, I can concern myself with other's agenda if they are in my trusted inner circle and I have a connection with them. I might be bored easily, but I know that sometimes other people need to talk/vent so I am able to be at least semi-attentive.So blind spot — finds it hard to concern self with another’s agenda, dismissive. They may feel that connecting socially will cost them something and consider interactions to be draining. Would rather act as a lone force, feeling that they don't need others and others don't need them. Fear of being emotionally crippled, being unable to connect with people, self-conscious of being socially ungracious. It’s hard to take in the gifts and generosity of others. One doesn’t let oneself try to interact or find out. Projected fear - if I ignore others, they will ignore me. There’s an expectation of humiliation. A desire not to impose self on people in fear of not being wanted or being klutzy.
So, you might want to check out the other stackings' "mindset" and see which one resonates with you the most.Sp/Sx Mindset: "I can have merging/intensity without having to leave my orderly & pleasing lifestyle." (imagination, safe people and relationships, when the safety of these are challenged they withdraw)
I can say the same thing and the So blind spot description is definitely about meHowever, I can concern myself with other's agenda if they are in my trusted inner circle and I have a connection with them. I might be bored easily, but I know that sometimes other people need to talk/vent so I am able to be at least semi-attentive.
Hmmm it could just be that you are reasonably healthy and balanced, so neither seem to be dominant. How did you feel about the Sp/Sx mindset vs. the Sx/Sp mindset?possiBri, thank you. Don't worry about the length, I love reading
The more I read, the more I can relate to sx/sp rather than sp/sx. I mean, at first I thought that the self-pres instinct is the dominant one, because I need my time alone, but I tend not to care about security, money, food and the like. However, this could be because I never had to worry about these things; I don't think about money because I always had enough, esp. when growing up.
I can say the same thing and the So blind spot description is definitely about me
I can relate to Sp because I tend to take care of myself without relying on others, even my loved ones, and I'm concerned about the aesthetics of my surroundings. Also, when I was very unhealthy, I used to sleep way too much. I can relate to Sx because I need intensity, wide-ranging experiences and excitement and under stress I lose focus.
OTOH, I can't relate to Sp because I'm not overly concerned with material comfort, I tend to neglect my physical needs (although this might be a part of an unhealthy coping method?) and I don't hoard things. I can't relate to Sx because I don't focus on relationships (in fact, I feel comfortable being single) and I'm definitely not single-minded.
I'd like to think so.Hmmm it could just be that you are reasonably healthy and balanced, so neither seem to be dominant.
I kind of lean more towards sp/sx, but sx/sp also makes sense to me.How did you feel about the Sp/Sx mindset vs. the Sx/Sp mindset?
Sx/Sp Mindset: "If I can make (us) have an orderly & pleasing lifestyle, I can keep up and escalate all this merging/intensity."
Sp/Sx Mindset: "I can have merging/intensity without having to leave my orderly & pleasing lifestyle." (imagination, safe people and relationships, when the safety of these are challenged they withdraw)
Thank you!I kinda feel like you lean more towards Sp, but that is with the very limited info you've mentioned. I'm totally down to help you pinpoint your stacking, so if you want, just write a bit more about yourself — your general preferences/routines (and your motivation/reason for them) — and we'll figure it out! =]
First off, one of my favorite sayings: "The best things in life aren't things."Since you wrote earlier that focusing on the unhealthy coping strategies would help, well, I have plenty of experience with being unhealthy. I spent 4-5 years being clinically depressed, and I'm still a little bit wary of the big black hole of despair. I couldn't fall asleep at night, and when I finally did, I slept for too long. It was very weird, because I could fall asleep at 11 a.m. and wake up at midnight. I had moments when (geez, what a lovely person I was) I tried to maintain close relationships with people, but got bored with them; for example, I talked to a very attractive and funny girl, we agreed to meet later, but when the time came, I didn't appear at all because I didn't feel like going outside. At the same time I used to date a guy, I knew he was faithful to me and I wasn't faithful to him at all. Generally, I was afraid of people, afraid of myself, and spent time either sleeping or on the internet, usually doing something mindless, like playing uncomplicated games or reading news without paying much attention to the context. I was self-conscious to the point of obsession, moody and critical.
It got a little better when I started anti-depressants, I had a little bit more energy, but absolutely no creativity. I needed to feel inspired, though; I didn't feel alive without a constant flux of new ideas.
All these things are really disturbing in introspection, aren't they. I rarely think about past, especially painful past, and although my previous actions don't make sense to me now, they seemed perfectly normal back then.
Right now I'm much healthier and more balanced. Well, I like new things, but they don't need to include people; actually, I don't like groups very much and prefer being alone or with my close friends. I despise routine and above all, my main concerns are being mentally active and open-minded. I find it a bit hard to think about material possessions... for example, my sister asked what did I want for birthday and I had no idea, because all the things I wanted weren't the ones that could be bought. And while I'm comfortable being single and not seeking a partner, I wouldn't mind falling in love.
Thank you for reading
I totally agree!First off, one of my favorite sayings: "The best things in life aren't things."
Yes, I can say so. Although it could be because I have issues with commitment. The mere thought of being married, or having children... bleh. While I love the energy burst coming from falling in love, the initial part of a relationship, I had to realise that I did hurt people because of that. So, there is a half-conscious feeling that it's better to be single and independent than starting a relationship and ending it as soon as the enthusiasm fades.So, would you say that you're comfortable being single, as long as you have at least one or maybe two close friends? People you can have a satisfying mental connection with? I'd say that sounds pretty Sp/Sx to me.
Heh. This is the part I can't relate to at all. I mean, when I were in relationship, as short as they were, my partners cared way more than me about such things.However, I do fantasize about when I will have my own house; and how comfortable it will be. That having a significant other to share that with will be the optimal situation, and the sooner the better.
I'm either an ENTP or an INTP, and my tritype is 784 or 783 (or in case I'm not a Seven but a Five, 584 or 583). The ENTP Owner's Manual in your sig is adorableSo yeah, you sound more Sp/Sx to me, but only you will really know for sure. I hope my personal preferences/experiences help give you an idea. Though, keep in mind my tritype and that I'm an ENTP, cause there is probably some bleeding between the different aspects of my personality, and it might be hard to attribute some traits specifically to my instinctual subtype. =]