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This is from Beatrice Chestnut's book "The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge". Enjoy. :)


Self-Preservation Fours


The Self-Preservation Four is the countertype of the Four subtypes, and so it may be difficult to identify this person as a Four. Although this Four experiences envy like the other Fours, they communicate their envy and suffering to others less than the other two Four subtypes do. Instead of talking about their suffering, these Fours are “long-suffering” in the sense of learning to endure pain without wincing. These Fours are more stoic and strong in the face of their pain.



Envy is less apparent in the Self-Preservation Four because instead of dwelling in and expressing envy, this Four works hard to get what others have that he or she lacks. Instead of hanging out in their longing in a way that prevents them from taking action, they strive to get “those distant things” that give them the feeling of being able to obtain that which was lost. Whatever they get, however, never feels like enough.



Self-Preservation Fours do not communicate sensitivity, suffering, shame, or envy, though they may feel all these things and they have the same depth and capacity for feeling as the other Fours. They learn to swallow a lot without complaining. Endurance is a virtue for them, and they hope their self-sacrifices will be recognized and appreciated, though they don't talk about them very much.


Like the other Fours, Self-preservation Fours feel a need to suffer in the unconscious hope that this will bring them love and acceptance; but unlike the other two, they suffer in silence. Their willingness to suffer without complaint is their way of seeking redemption without talking about them, hoping that others will see this, admire them for it, and help them to meet their needs. Instead of displaying the need to suffer, they have a tendency to deny their envy and bear too much suffering and frustration as a result.



As Naranjo explains, the other two Four subtypes are too sensitive to frustration. They either suffer too much or they make you suffer too much (as a compensation for their suffering). The Self-Preservation subtype is the countertype Four because they go to the other extreme, developing a high capacity to internalize and bear frustration. They make a virtue of resistance to frustration.



Self-Preservation Fours demand a lot of themselves. They have a strong need to endure, so they develop an ability to do without. They put themselves in situations that are tough. They test and challenge themselves. One of my clients with this subtype says that she “throws herself into the fire.” These Fours have a passion for effort- they engage in intense activity, and may often appear strained and tense. They may experience distress if their activity level slows down, and they can be compulsive about making efforts to achieve what they need to survive, even if their efforts don't take them anywhere. In some cases, they may not know how to live without the stress and pressure they put on themselves. They don't allow themselves the experience of living in or from their fragility.



Just as the (countertype) Self-Preservation Three wants to be seen as successful but displays humility about the work they do because they believe outward displays of vanity make them less worthy of respect, Self-Preservation Fours internalize their suffering and strive to get what they want in a more autonomous way than the other Four subtypes.



This Four tends to be a humanitarian with an empathic and nurturing disposition, someone who protests for the sake of others and is sensitive to the needy, the dispossessed, and victims of injustice. This is their way of projecting their pain outward, addressing int through others' suffering instead talking about their own. They try to take care of others' pain or work to ease the “suffering of the world” so they don't have to fully deal with their own suffering.



While the other two Four subtypes can be dramatic, the Self-preservation Four is more masochistic than melodramatic. For this subtype, masochism is the ego or personality's strategy for getting love. Self-Preservation Fours devalue themselves in important ways, which can make it even tougher for them to do all the work they do to try to get the security and the love that they long for. Their attachment to enduring can be seen from the outside as masochistic, but it stems from a desire to earn love and acceptance through being strong and resilient. The motivation of this subtype stems from a desire for the parent to see that the child is not complaining, and instead is being a good boy or girl through not asking for very much.


These Fours may also masochistically enact a need to prove themselves by working against themselves: they make efforts to get what they need and want, but unconsciously work against themselves at the same time. They can be impulsive, but they will control and inhibit their impulses to get recognition. They may want to be happy but they experience an unconscious taboo around happiness. They spend a lot of energy on being afraid of what's happening instead of dealing with problems and making improvements, so they habitually postpone actions necessary to achieving what the want and then blame themselves for doing so. The wear themselves out seeking and striving in ways and places where they know they'll fail, which ensures the perpetuation of a cycle of effort and devaluation. They may be ambitious, but they deny and work against their own ambitions.



Formerly called “Reckless/Dauntless,” but more recently referred to by the name “Tenacity,” these Fours move toward activities that require a large capacity for endurance as a way to earn love, without regard for the pain or the danger they entail.



This Four subtype resembles a One or a Three. Self-Preservation Fours' focus on autonomy, self-sufficiency, and working hard may make them look like a One; however, this Four feels a wider range of emotions- more ups and downs- than Ones,e even if they don't always express their feelings. Self-Preservation Fours can also look like Threes, especially Self-Preservation Threes, in that they work hard to achieve a sense of security and may be anxious; however, in contrast to threes, these Fours will often work at cross-purposes, unintentionally thwarting their own efforts, whereas Threes tend to achieve what they are working toward. Fours also feel their emotions more than Threes do.



Interestingly, this subtype can also look like a Type Seven, which in some ways is the opposite of Type Four, because some Self-Preservation Fours express a need to be light. With all the enduring and efforting these Fours do, they may at times display the high energy characteristics of Sevens, and they may also have a need for fun and playfulness as an escape from having to tough things out all the time. This may account for the fact that there are some Fours who do not seem as melancholy as others- Fours that appear more “sunny” and lighthearted. However, these Fours can be distinguished from Sevens in their greater access to their emotions.


Marcy, a Self-Preservation Four, speaks:


"For much of my life it was difficult for me to feel my true emotions because they were so buried; it just wasn't okay to express emotions when I was growing up- the phase I internalized from my childhood was, “Just suck it up and move on.” Plus, I've always had a stubborn streak, as if I'm the only one who knows how to do something right. My colleagues used to think I was a One because of my need for perfection. And it has sometimes been really difficult for me to connect with the passion of Envy in a meaningful way. But one day when I was thinking of someone I admired and how I came up short by comparison, and I heard my internal voice say “You're not good enough,” I knew I was a Four. I really got the Envy bit then. Now my emotions arise more freely, in small impulses and bursts though, not like the bigger, wilder swings of emotions that you hear about with a lot of Fours.



Although I've meditated for many years, it's still difficult to relax and to be calm in daily activity. It just seems like waste of time not be doing or accomplishing something. Even now when I feel my feelings, I catch myself trying to figure out what I can DO with them. I've always pushed myself to work hard to be successful because I wanted to prove myself by being really good at whatever I do and I have been fortunate in being rewarded for my hard work.


I also see the idea behind the former name of the Self-preservation Four, Reckless/Dauntless, showing up in my behavior. In a way that seems to counter to “self-preservation” I have a penchant for spending money to buy fine things and help others out, sometimes more money than I make. (My mother used to say that I thought money grew on trees.) It's like I get this reckless feeling that money will always be there, so why not spend it on what I love? Plus, I tend to make snap decisions without really thinking it through. For instance, I left my job of 18 years and my 20-year marriage within a month of each other. Of course, the result was some pretty tough years but at least I began to feel my feelings!"



Specific Work For The Self-Preservation Four on the Path from Vice to Virtue


Self-Preservation Fours can travel the path from envy to equanimity by relaxing into their feelings more and sharing them with others, thereby allowing themselves more sources of internal and external support. Envy leads Self-Preservation Fours to believe thy have to go it on their own, but by actively seeking out help from others, they can allow themselves to have more room to breathe and relax. By consciously seeking to embody equanimity, these Fours can develop a place of peace inside themselves- allowing them to feel through and let go of their pain, allowing them to live more rom their fragility, and healing what needs to be healed. Self-Preservation Fours actively release envy by not working so hard to prove themselves and instead allowing for more lightness, fun and pleasure. Rising above then need to suffer silently and tough everything out means going easier on yourself and allowing yourself to embrace all of who you are, not just your ability to endure.
 

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Oh god, that damn typo in the title. :confused:

Seems you 'thanked' my comment about putting SP 4 on right when I finally typed out the description. @spirited-angel

@SharkT00th You can request the next subtype description. I'll upload it when I wake up (if my mood so happens to be in an upward swing).




 

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This is for sure my second instinct.

I got this book yesterday and absolutely love the descriptions of the variants. I now know for sure that I've had my stacking order correct (sx/sp/so) all along, as well as my Husband's. What I especially loved about reading his (sx/so type 3) was that it confirmed my own observations that for him, his success and achievements are focused on his intimate partner more so than work based achievements and success. I had been saying that for over a year now, and FINALLY see it in a description (in depth).
 

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This is for sure my second instinct.

I got this book yesterday and absolutely love the descriptions of the variants. I now know for sure that I've had my stacking order correct (sx/sp/so) all along, as well as my Husband's. What I especially loved about reading his (sx/so type 3) was that it confirmed my own observations that for him, his success and achievements are focused on his intimate partner more so than work based achievements and success. I had been saying that for over a year now, and FINALLY see it in a description (in depth).
Glad posting these descriptions got people to purchase it and glad you enjoyed it!
 

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Oh god, that damn typo in the title. :confused:

Seems you 'thanked' my comment about putting SP 4 on right when I finally typed out the description. @spirited-angel

@SharkT00th You can request the next subtype description. I'll upload it when I wake up (if my mood so happens to be in an upward swing).




Thank you for putting up the Sp-4. I am surprised to see that the author states the Sp-4 being the coutner-type, but they make a very good case for it. The E4 is the type that I see has the most variance between subtypes. As for the next one, what about the So-5?
 

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Thank you for putting up the Sp-4. I am surprised to see that the author states the Sp-4 being the coutner-type, but they make a very good case for it. The E4 is the type that I see has the most variance between subtypes. As for the next one, what about the So-5?
SO-5, it is. I'll upload it shortly and tag you in it.
 

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No wonder I felt like "going to 7" was important for me. As an SP 4, I need to learn how to relax! But I actually would consider myself an SP/SX subtype, so it is true that I don't "often" complain about what I long for, but I will when it just boils up to it.

I am also a 4w3, so I think that also blends in with the 4-SP persistence of trying to achieve what they feel is lacking.
 

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Thank you for sharing this. This description fits me very well, and it may explain why I also identified a lot with 3w4 descriptions, as well as usually getting a some what high score for type 1 in enneagram tests. The 4 descriptions I have read usually make 4s seem more out there with their intense emotions, and that did not fit me well. This description, however, describes me greatly. I do feel a whole jungle of emotions , they are just burried and not expressed to the public. I am still not sure for my type (thinking between 3w4, 4w3 and 4w5), but this was very helpful nonetheless.

EDIT: The one thing that doesn't fit is recklessness.
 
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Okay, I'm going to do the "bold what strongly applies, strike what doesn't, leave plain what is somewhat applicable or not totally contrary". Generally, this is the best fit for me of the three. I'm not as un-vocal about my frustrations & have more visible mood swings, anger & general 4ishness though.


Self-Preservation Fours


The Self-Preservation Four is the countertype of the Four subtypes, and so it may be difficult to identify this person as a Four. Although this Four experiences envy like the other Fours, they communicate their envy and suffering to others less than the other two Four subtypes do [not sure if I do it less...probably NOT, although I feel far less open than so 4 I've identified]. Instead of talking about their suffering, these Fours are “long-suffering” in the sense of learning to endure pain without wincing. These Fours are more stoic and strong in the face of their pain.


Envy is less apparent in the Self-Preservation Four because instead of dwelling in and expressing envy, this Four works hard to get what others have that he or she lacks. Instead of hanging out in their longing in a way that prevents them from taking action, they strive to get “those distant things” that give them the feeling of being able to obtain that which was lost. Whatever they get, however, never feels like enough. - [I will add the exception that I do express envy, but only to close intimates, and it's in the form of "how come I try & don't get the results others do?!!]


Self-Preservation Fours do not communicate sensitivity, suffering, shame, or envy, though they may feel all these things and they have the same depth and capacity for feeling as the other Fours [Outside of online forums, I only communicate this to close intimates in private settings; as people get close to me, they are surprised I am sensitive, shame-ridden, & envious in a complaining over what I'm lacking way]. They learn to swallow a lot without complaining. Endurance is a virtue for them, and they hope their self-sacrifices will be recognized and appreciated, though they don't talk about them very much.


Like the other Fours, Self-preservation Fours feel a need to suffer in the unconscious hope that this will bring them love and acceptance; but unlike the other two, they suffer in silence. Their willingness to suffer without complaint is their way of seeking redemption without talking about them, hoping that others will see this, admire them for it, and help them to meet their needs. Instead of displaying the need to suffer, they have a tendency to deny their envy and bear too much suffering and frustration as a result. [I used to be very much in "envy denial", but now that I see it, I'm not so sure I was NOT displaying it ever. I really relate to this idea of feeling like I can earn what I am lacking by being "perfect", which has a 1-ish quality, but more shamelessly selfish. But if I don't get it according to whatever arbitrary timeline I invent, then I stop "suffering in silence" & get angry; maybe sp/sx? or sx/sp?]



As Naranjo explains, the other two Four subtypes are too sensitive to frustration. They either suffer too much or they make you suffer too much (as a compensation for their suffering). The Self-Preservation subtype is the countertype Four because they go to the other extreme, developing a high capacity to internalize and bear frustration. They make a virtue of resistance to frustration. [Like I said above, I don't know how much I am internalizing like I think I am. I feel like I do endure a LOT before I give up, which for me is really "switching gears", or before I start complaining. I am very tenacious when pursuing a "goal", but I feel like I probably do whine & get angry when its fruition is slower or less than I want. I mostly get angry because (and this is gross), I'll feel like I do more, am better, etc, than others & yet they get certain results that I don't. In my mind, I make a lot of effort & get little reward for it].


Self-Preservation Fours demand a lot of themselves. They have a strong need to endure, so they develop an ability to do without. They put themselves in situations that are tough. They test and challenge themselves. One of my clients with this subtype says that she “throws herself into the fire.” These Fours have a passion for effort- they engage in intense activity, and may often appear strained and tense. They may experience distress if their activity level slows down, and they can be compulsive about making efforts to achieve what they need to survive, even if their efforts don't take them anywhere. In some cases, they may not know how to live without the stress and pressure they put on themselves. They don't allow themselves the experience of living in or from their fragility. [It's hard for me to admit or show any fragility. I've realized there's a strength in vulnerability, but I used to rather die than admit it in myself. I also loathe asking for help, and it's been a lesson in humility when I've had to].


Just as the (countertype) Self-Preservation Three wants to be seen as successful but displays humility about the work they do because they believe outward displays of vanity make them less worthy of respect, Self-Preservation Fours internalize their suffering and strive to get what they want in a more autonomous way than the other Four subtypes.


This Four tends to be a humanitarian with an empathic and nurturing disposition, someone who protests for the sake of others and is sensitive to the needy, the dispossessed, and victims of injustice. This is their way of projecting their pain outward, addressing int through others' suffering instead talking about their own. They try to take care of others' pain or work to ease the “suffering of the world” so they don't have to fully deal with their own suffering. [One exception - the disposition is more internal or shown via action; I don't have a warm or nurturing demeanor]


While the other two Four subtypes can be dramatic, the Self-preservation Four is more masochistic than melodramatic. For this subtype, masochism is the ego or personality's strategy for getting love. Self-Preservation Fours devalue themselves in important ways, which can make it even tougher for them to do all the work they do to try to get the security and the love that they long for. Their attachment to enduring can be seen from the outside as masochistic, but it stems from a desire to earn love and acceptance through being strong and resilient. The motivation of this subtype stems from a desire for the parent to see that the child is not complaining, and instead is being a good boy or girl through not asking for very much. - YES!


These Fours may also masochistically enact a need to prove themselves by working against themselves: they make efforts to get what they need and want, but unconsciously work against themselves at the same time. They can be impulsive, but they will control and inhibit their impulses to get recognition. They may want to be happy but they experience an unconscious taboo around happiness. They spend a lot of energy on being afraid of what's happening instead of dealing with problems and making improvements, so they habitually postpone actions necessary to achieving what the want and then blame themselves for doing so. The wear themselves out seeking and striving in ways and places where they know they'll fail, which ensures the perpetuation of a cycle of effort and devaluation. They may be ambitious, but they deny and work against their own ambitions. - I suppose I self-sabotage in this way, but it's hard for me to see how/where/when.



Formerly called “Reckless/Dauntless,” but more recently referred to by the name “Tenacity,” these Fours move toward activities that require a large capacity for endurance as a way to earn love, without regard for the pain or the danger they entail. [The activities or choices can involve a kind of recklessness though, in being that they do disregard certain risks]


This Four subtype resembles a One or a Three. Self-Preservation Fours' focus on autonomy, self-sufficiency, and working hard may make them look like a One; however, this Four feels a wider range of emotions- more ups and downs- than Ones, even if they don't always express their feelings. Self-Preservation Fours can also look like Threes, especially Self-Preservation Threes, in that they work hard to achieve a sense of security and may be anxious; however, in contrast to threes, these Fours will often work at cross-purposes, unintentionally thwarting their own efforts, whereas Threes tend to achieve what they are working toward. Fours also feel their emotions more than Threes do.
I can VERY MUCH relate to some inner workings of 1s, being 1ish as a child in some ways, needing to be perfect & above reproach, etc; and the line to 1 is what helped me identify as 4 (among other things)


Interestingly, this subtype can also look like a Type Seven, which in some ways is the opposite of Type Four, because some Self-Preservation Fours express a need to be light. With all the enduring and efforting these Fours do, they may at times display the high energy characteristics of Sevens, and they may also have a need for fun and playfulness as an escape from having to tough things out all the time. This may account for the fact that there are some Fours who do not seem as melancholy as others- Fours that appear more “sunny” and lighthearted. However, these Fours can be distinguished from Sevens in their greater access to their emotions.
I am soooo not sunny & light.


Marcy, a Self-Preservation Four, speaks:


"For much of my life it was difficult for me to feel my true emotions because they were so buried; it just wasn't okay to express emotions when I was growing up- the phase I internalized from my childhood was, “Just suck it up and move on.” I was inhibited from expressing my feelings as a child because they'd get invalidated & misunderstood; my family is very emotive & sensitive/nurturing, so it was not an issue of emotion or being told to "suck it up", but of not being "proper". Emotion was supposed to be warm & nurturing from women (like the SFJ matriarchs in the family) & my more angry, envious emotion was quite taboo. My e7 ESFP sister had more of the warmth & nurturing they deemed appropriate.

Plus, I've always had a stubborn streak, as if I'm the only one who knows how to do something right. My colleagues used to think I was a One because of my need for perfection. And it has sometimes been really difficult for me to connect with the passion of Envy in a meaningful way. But one day when I was thinking of someone I admired and how I came up short by comparison, and I heard my internal voice say “You're not good enough,” I knew I was a Four. I really got the Envy bit then.
Now my emotions arise more freely, in small impulses and bursts though, not like the bigger, wilder swings of emotions that you hear about with a lot of Fours. I've always had wild swings, just not necessarily on display.

Although I've meditated for many years, it's still difficult to relax and to be calm in daily activity. It just seems like waste of time not be doing or accomplishing something. Even now when I feel my feelings, I catch myself trying to figure out what I can DO with them. I've always pushed myself to work hard to be successful because I wanted to prove myself by being really good at whatever I do and I have been fortunate in being rewarded for my hard work.

I also see the idea behind the former name of the Self-preservation Four, Reckless/Dauntless, showing up in my behavior. In a way that seems to counter to “self-preservation” I have a penchant for spending money to buy fine things and help others out, sometimes more money than I make. (My mother used to say that I thought money grew on trees.) It's like I get this reckless feeling that money will always be there, so why not spend it on what I love? Plus, I tend to make snap decisions without really thinking it through. For instance, I left my job of 18 years and my 20-year marriage within a month of each other. Of course, the result was some pretty tough years but at least I began to feel my feelings!" - I've made similarly reckless decisions. My mom told me once not to sweat losing money because it's not true security; money can always be made & lost, rather quickly/easily at times. That resonated with me.



Specific Work For The Self-Preservation Four on the Path from Vice to Virtue


Self-Preservation Fours can travel the path from envy to equanimity by relaxing into their feelings more and sharing them with others, thereby allowing themselves more sources of internal and external support. Envy leads Self-Preservation Fours to believe thy have to go it on their own, but by actively seeking out help from others, they can allow themselves to have more room to breathe and relax. By consciously seeking to embody equanimity, these Fours can develop a place of peace inside themselves- allowing them to feel through and let go of their pain, allowing them to live more rom their fragility, and healing what needs to be healed. Self-Preservation Fours actively release envy by not working so hard to prove themselves and instead allowing for more lightness, fun and pleasure. Rising above then need to suffer silently and tough everything out means going easier on yourself and allowing yourself to embrace all of who you are, not just your ability to endure.
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I think I am more vocal about my emotions & envy & shame than when I was younger, and I can see how this was healing in some ways. I also went through a period where I had a mantra of "I will be nice to myself" because I am a very hard on myself.
 

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thanks for sharing these! after reading all three of the 4 subtypes, i am even more confused though, because i see myself in all 3 but not more in one than the others. oh well.
 

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Does it fit you, Matt?
It does. I'm going to make a Pastebin and link the phrases I felt the most connected to. It's weird to hear myself talked about in such a way as "you do this and hope this will be the result". The part discussing an SP 4's need to suffer in silence hoping others will admire them for it was kind of an ah shit yeah I suppose I do that.

I like that this description went more into the idea of the "counter 4" because I related a lot to that concept reading some of the other information I've found online.

I'm not sure about the idea of the child parent relationship with the child wanting the parent to see them as not asking for much. It's a difficult area though because I've blocked out so much of my childhood I can't remember a lot of it.

The part describing how SP 4s are masochistic was enlightening as I've read 4s described as such in general and I've tried to see where I fit within that description. One of my classmates who I think is an ISTP SX 7 called me masochistic when I intentionally made smaller borders on one of my prints that was almost 8 feet long and had to cut tiny sections off at a time. I was kind of like aww thank you, which seemed like a weird reaction until I read this.

I was glad to see tenacity as a new term over reckless or dauntless and I think it fits better. Every time someone comments on my driving I think back to how you called me a dauntless driver.

The link to 7 was another interesting facet. I can see in my life when that occurs and it's a nice explanation of not relating to the debby downer 4 description all the time. I think of myself sometimes as the happy oracle twin: disney.wikia.com/wiki/Oracle_Twins

Reading it though it's like ok how do I not do this? Like the part in description talking about being ambitious but seeking opportunities that allow for devaluation. I do this all of the time in my art projects. I make some big extravagant plan that looks great on paper and then I'll get into it and realize there's no way I can create my original vision and then I tell myself how shitty I am for not working harder.

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^ Pastebin link. I don't have 15 posts so I can't make links. So sad.
 

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thanks for sharing these! after reading all three of the 4 subtypes, i am even more confused though, because i see myself in all 3 but not more in one than the others. oh well.
Same with me, I've just given up momentarily on trying to identify which subtype I'm more like. I've been at this for a year, and it's still so confusing.
I see myself in the 3 of them, and when I take tests, I score very close, like Sp 85%, So 82%, Sx 80%, and they go up and down in a scale depending on the websites/tests, but regardless of the rank (and Sp always comes up on top) the difference in percentage is minimal. Reading countless descriptions doesn't help, as I see myself everywhere and nowhere, depending on the article.
I read somewhere that 1 of the 3 is always the blind spot, like it doesn't play a role in your life, and that's just not true for me. The 3 of them are potent in my life, so I don't have this blind spot that they speak of.

Anyways, this thread's description of Sp describes to a t, that's true.
 
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