i knew you meant well (it was obvious by the way you started out praising the sensors you know), so i felt bad posting that, because i knew you were venting about being misunderstood and that generalizations like "you always do this" or "every [insert class here] is like this" and the like tend to occur in vents, due to frustration, even where they aren't meant. i also figured you would agree with me and i didn't want to be harsh towards you. but i also didn't want sensors to be hurt by reading this thread, so i felt the need to say it. it really bothers me to see typist remarks about them (or about any type, for that matter).Emerald, even though you're not a sensor I still can respect/grasp your point. The LAST thing I wanted to do was to judge the WORLD of senors, this was primarily about finding ways for an intuitive to cope with sensors in their immediate family of origin. I think sensors are great, because of my Se function. I love when I present the Extroverted Senors with novel ideas like "Lets go Party!" or "Let's go skydiving" (haven't done it yet, but probably will lol) they're all for it! They're doers, and learn through doing. It's not a bad thing! They can be pretty exciting/fun loving, and genuine, and warm, and straight forward; those are the GOOD traits I love about them! Sometimes it's frustrating though because there's alot of filters you have to pass through for their cognition for them to be receptive/see your point...if you're more of a PHYSICAL/EARTH (sensing) person dealing with a more MENTAL/IMMATERIAL/AIR/WATER (intuitive) person, the way we communicate is oppositional at times.
What makes things a little more difficult is that my TRUE PERSONALITY is very abstract/aqueous in nature, and is hard to put/understand through 'linear/concrete-style' thinking; it takes a possibility/abstract-styled 'maybe he's this way? So I'll ask him this/these questions' styled approach. I've bee perceived as 'uppity', 'mean' when it's completely untrue. I'm a pretty nice guy, who is probably a little too nice, and adverse to conflict, but I LOVE a good fight!
I'd like to say that if the shoe where on the other proverbial foot, and there were more intuitives/possibility driven folk in the world and less sensors, HOW do you think it'd feel to know that you can't talk to anyone about your interests? Or be able to share your inner world with someone? It's just down-right painful...It's not intentional on my families part, I think, it's just how they are. It's like blaming someone for their sexuality, it's NOT right, or fair, or even RATIONAL to do so, because it's beyond personal control; it's just you INNATE DESIGN.
...yes, there can be difficulties of interpretation between people who view things in very different ways, but remember that difficulty goes both ways - it can be just as frustrating for the other person as it is for you, and in my experience it seems that both sides tend to blame the other party. oops, I just noticed that Noelle said the same thing.
to be honest, what you're dealing with is incompatibility.
there are deep-thinking sensors and deep-thinking intuitives. my best friend is a (tested) ISTP type 4 and i can discuss anything with her and we are on the same page, because we think very much alike and are concerned with similar matters due to our shared enneatype. we talk for hours and we both find our conversations satisfying. my dad is an ESTJ type 8 (i think 5 is his head fix) and i can talk with him about a lot of theoretical topics also, and he's passionate about ideas as well. sometimes i am sad when our talks have to end. i know a (tested) ISFJ who enjoys studying theories and discussing them and has initiated conversations with me on those topics before.
i seriously think it is more a matter of enneatype than it is of MBTI type or perceiving function. to give some examples: yes, intuitives tend to be ideas people, but so are type 5s (which can be any MBTI type). yes, intuitives like to look at the meaning behind things, but so do type 4s (which can be any MBTI type). that's just two examples - there are more. intuitives aren't the only ones who enjoy intellectual, deep, or meaningful conversation; in fact, there are lots of intuitives who are more inclined towards non-theoretical conversations or who don't enjoy debate because it feels like interpersonal conflict. there are sensors who enjoy a good debate - in my limited experience i've known ESTPs or ESTJs to do this, but i'm sure they are not the only ones.
it's frustrating when others can't "get" what you're trying to say, or can't appreciate your way of thinking, and especially if they mock it or think you're crazy just because they don't understand you - i totally understand where you're coming from with that. i've been in that situation before, and am sorry you are dealing with that. i've dealt with those same issues from various sources (intuitives and sensors alike). it's really not a perceiving type thing; it's an incompatibility thing.
it is so refreshing when you can come across someone with whom you can carry on a conversation without having to "translate" everything or without being disdained simply because you are not understood. it's awesome when you come across someone who enjoys discussing the same things you do.
my suggestion would be to find a place where you can talk with people who think similarly - maybe get your "fix" on PerC? i like conversing with people in threads on this forum because there are so many people here that "get" my way of thinking - this place is like a refuge for me in that respect. it feels wonderful to be understood. i totally understand your need for conversations on your level, which is the point of your thread, and i know you didn't come here to have everyone disagree with you - you wanted someone to commiserate, to find people who think the same way you do...if it's any encouragement, you will find a LOT of people who like to debate, or discuss ideas, on PerC... you sound like you'd really enjoy talking with people on the ENTP forum - have you tried it? there's a lot of debating/discussion of ideas over there - and devil's advocates - debates also spring up on various personality forums around here. there is also a debate forum on PerC, that you'd probably really like. i think you'll feel at home there.