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People have different ways of finding fulfillment, and specific preferences and needs for what feels fulfilling. While the characteristics are similar in that they all pertain to someone's love language, like affirmation, service, or gifting, they can be defined as being service-oriented, project-oriented, and discovery-oriented. All three career orientations are used, though people will have a primary preference and secondary preferences.

Certain people prefer to feel like they have contributed something as a team, or working as a group member. Others want to be of service, to feel like they are needed. Still others prefer the feeling of stretching what is known or possible, to test and go beyond the limits of human capabilities. The project-oriented group often work well as engineers and programmers, who feel gratified by developing a useful product. The service-oriented group work well as customer specialists, receptionists, artists, writers, and teachers. The discovery-oriented people enjoy theoretical physics, mathematics, and as researchers.

A person has preference for one, and secondary and tertiary preferences for the others. For example, one might have a preference for the service-oriented profession, helping people find joy, while possessing a secondary preference for discovery. This means the person helps people, while also encourages them to discover new ideas and wonders. Someone might have a primary preference for projects, with a secondary preference for service. This encourages them to develop useful items that are of great service for society, like bridges and roads, transportation methods, and communication devices. Someone who is discovery and project oriented will be encouraged to explore new areas, learn from different cultures, and come up with ideas for societal benefit.
 

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With that in mind, it sounds like I skew towards a dominant preference for projects, with a secondary preference for discovery. Is this something you came up with, or were you referencing something?
 
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With that in mind, it sounds like I skew towards a dominant preference for projects, with a secondary preference for discovery. Is this something you came up with, or were you referencing something?
It's something I just thought out, after wondering about what work people find fulfilling, and what they would rather be doing. Having a project-oriented preference, and discovery-oriented secondary preference means you will be attracted to product development, and learning, tinkering and researching while you create something as a team member. I'm Service-oriented primary, and Discovery-oriented secondary, which means I like working with what I know helping others, while bringing wonder, fun, and excitement to people.
 

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I am usually skeptical of proposed new personality theories, but I like this one. Tying it into MBTI, F-types will tend towards service, while Te-users would prefer project-orientation and Ti-users would go to discovery-orientation. I can also see this revolving on enneatype.

For me, I would be Project > Discovery > Service.
 

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Tying it into MBTI, F-types will tend towards service, while Te-users would prefer project-orientation and Ti-users would go to discovery-orientation. I can also see this revolving on enneatype.

As an E5 Te-Aux, I have difficulty deciding whether Project or Discovery is dominant for me... they're very close. I think that Si can also drive a quest for Discovery... just not the exact same way as Ti would. Si doesn't look at discovery as "food for thought" as a Ti user might, it's a more basic need to expand it's reference library... the more you know the less likely you are to be surprised or disoriented by new things that come your way.

No question that Service is last for me. It's not that I consciously avoid it or have no empathy for others at all, but I essentially have no innate drive towards it. If I become aware of a need (usually from outside influence) I don't "feel" a need to do something, but I can rationalize that it's a situation in need of improvement to get myself onboard, then I just approach it like any other project.

With a very slight edge to Project, I would say, for me, it's Project ≈ Discovery >>> Service.
 

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I think thats probably something that changes the older you become.

Taking into account your theory my preferences go like this:
Discovery >= Project > Service

But im still kind of young to be thinking a lot about service, i might have a need for that type of fullfillment when im older. Its probably rarer to see young people who ve got dreams and goals to answer "service" here.
 

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I am usually skeptical of proposed new personality theories, but I like this one. Tying it into MBTI, F-types will tend towards service, while Te-users would prefer project-orientation and Ti-users would go to discovery-orientation. I can also see this revolving on enneatype.

For me, I would be Project > Discovery > Service.
I'm thinking heavy T-users would be a better fit for project-oriented types, and heavy N-users would be big on discovery.
 

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As an E5 Te-Aux, I have difficulty deciding whether Project or Discovery is dominant for me... they're very close. I think that Si can also drive a quest for Discovery... just not the exact same way as Ti would. Si doesn't look at discovery as "food for thought" as a Ti user might, it's a more basic need to expand it's reference library... the more you know the less likely you are to be surprised or disoriented by new things that come your way.

No question that Service is last for me. It's not that I consciously avoid it or have no empathy for others at all, but I essentially have no innate drive towards it. If I become aware of a need (usually from outside influence) I don't "feel" a need to do something, but I can rationalize that it's a situation in need of improvement to get myself onboard, then I just approach it like any other project.

With a very slight edge to Project, I would say, for me, it's Project ≈ Discovery >>> Service.
When I mentioned Enneagram, one of the things that came to mind was that E5 would predispose someone towards Discovery, since its attitude boils down to "knowledge is power". As such, your response doesn't necessarily surprise me.

I'm thinking heavy T-users would be a better fit for project-oriented types, and heavy N-users would be big on discovery.
That is an interesting idea. The way that it is formulated here, Discovery sounds like a very NT (and particularly INTP) focus. I pulled out the TP part, since Ti-types focus on building a theory of the world based on their personal application of logic. With that said, I could see the N preference playing a factor as well. An archetypal NF-type would probably be interested in a personal/spiritual form of discovery.
 

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That is an interesting idea. The way that it is formulated here, Discovery sounds like a very NT (and particularly INTP) focus. I pulled out the TP part, since Ti-types focus on building a theory of the world based on their personal application of logic. With that said, I could see the N preference playing a factor as well. An archetypal NF-type would probably be interested in a personal/spiritual form of discovery.
Shooting from the hip here, I think this might be at least a loose fit:

Project-Oriented (P) - May revolve around T in general, likely ST types

P - ISTP, INTJ, ESTJ, ENTJ

P/D - INTP

P/S - ISTJ

Discovery (D) - May revolve around Pe doms/auxes

D - ENTP, ESTP, ESFP, ISFP

D/S - ENFP, INFP

Service (S) - May revolve around F in general, likely F dom or aux

S - ESFJ

S/P - ISFJ

S/D -ENFJ, INFJ

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Feel free to pick this apart. Nothing's set in stone in my head yet.
 

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An ENFP can be project-oriented primary, and discovery-oriented secondary, while an INTJ can be discovery-oriented primary, and project-oriented secondary. This might have something to do with MBTI in conjunction with political types, temperaments, learning styles, and love language. More research is needed.
Yeah, I agree with you about INTJs. Trying to see how ENFPs would be a good fit for project-oriented primary. I think any type could technically be any of these, but I'm trying to guess which of these would make up the bulk of the distribution. Kind of reminds me of the Enneagram in that respect.
 

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The quality of Project-oriented is truth, that for Service-oriented is love, while it's joy for Discovery-oriented.
 

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A person with Project-oriented as primary preference will bring truthful wonder to those around him by simply being. The love projection for Project-oriented as secondary preference is truthful wonder

A person with Service-oriented as primary preference will bring love to those around him by being. The love projection for Service-oriented as secondary preference is love.

A person with Discovery-oriented as primary preference will bring joy to those around him by being. The love projection for Discovery-oriented as secondary preference is joy

For example, if your primary preference is Project-oriented, and your secondary preference is Discovery-oriented, you will bring truthful wonder to those close to you, while projecting joy to those you care about. On the other-hand, if your primary preference is Discovery-oriented, you will bring joy to those close to you, while having secondary preference for Project-oriented means you project truthful wonder to those you care about.

The quality of the tertiary preference will be the thing that the person seeks. For example, if he is loving to be around, and projecting love, then he will seek out truthful wonder. If he is truthfully wonderful to be around, and projecting joy, he will seek love. This seeking of the tertiary preference quality does not mean romantic compatibility, just that it helps the person grow and live a more fulfilling life.
 

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The person with Project-oriented primary will need to understand appreciation.

The person with Service-oriented primary will need to understand satisfaction.

The person with Explorer-oriented primary will need to understand gratitude.

A person has one primary, and his secondary can differ depending on his resting mode. For example, a person with Service-oriented primary will have an Explorer-oriented secondary when doing something he enjoys or while he's in a restful mood. However, this becomes Project-oriented secondary when he is concentrating, whether through reading or writing. Alternatively, he can have a Service-oriented primary, and Project-oriented secondary, which becomes Explorer-oriented secondary depending on what he's doing.
 

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People's secondary projection is also what they project internally. For example, if their secondary orientation is Service, they will project love to people, and feel love and fulfillment from within. If their secondary orientation is Discovery, then they will project joy to people, and feel joy within, even if they might be Project-oriented primary (symbolizing wonder and appreciation), or Service-oriented primary (symbolizing love and satisfaction).
 

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mmh... interesting simplyfication of ennagram... this one for sure will work better, at least error probablity is just 2/3 ;) !

but if you ambition to recreate ennagramm ++ with just 3 types (let's call it TRIagram ;) !! ) let me help you and suggest you to add somehow some "validation need" in it. Everyone (or nearly everyone) wishes recognition and validation, so perhaps this can be i'm seeking validation through XXX.

But personally i think I'm somehow project oriented (my project is to have fun) but also discovery oriented (i get bored with old stuff so I need to discover new things to have fun!). Arrgg... i think you need more classes... were you will put me?
 

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People have different ways of finding fulfillment, and specific preferences and needs for what feels fulfilling. While the characteristics are similar in that they all pertain to someone's love language, like affirmation, service, or gifting, they can be defined as being service-oriented, project-oriented, and discovery-oriented. All three career orientations are used, though people will have a primary preference and secondary preferences.

Certain people prefer to feel like they have contributed something as a team, or working as a group member. Others want to be of service, to feel like they are needed. Still others prefer the feeling of stretching what is known or possible, to test and go beyond the limits of human capabilities. The project-oriented group often work well as engineers and programmers, who feel gratified by developing a useful product. The service-oriented group work well as customer specialists, receptionists, artists, writers, and teachers. The discovery-oriented people enjoy theoretical physics, mathematics, and as researchers.

A person has preference for one, and secondary and tertiary preferences for the others. For example, one might have a preference for the service-oriented profession, helping people find joy, while possessing a secondary preference for discovery. This means the person helps people, while also encourages them to discover new ideas and wonders. Someone might have a primary preference for projects, with a secondary preference for service. This encourages them to develop useful items that are of great service for society, like bridges and roads, transportation methods, and communication devices. Someone who is discovery and project oriented will be encouraged to explore new areas, learn from different cultures, and come up with ideas for societal benefit.
My current job requires me to be service oriented and nothing else. Strangely I'm happy with that.

At home or while travelling I'm exclusively discovery oriented. Creating, fueling and dumping never ending "projects"/ideas without goals.
 

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mmh... interesting simplyfication of ennagram... this one for sure will work better, at least error probablity is just 2/3 ;) !

but if you ambition to recreate ennagramm ++ with just 3 types (let's call it TRIagram ;) !! ) let me help you and suggest you to add somehow some "validation need" in it. Everyone (or nearly everyone) wishes recognition and validation, so perhaps this can be i'm seeking validation through XXX.

But personally i think I'm somehow project oriented (my project is to have fun) but also discovery oriented (i get bored with old stuff so I need to discover new things to have fun!). Arrgg... i think you need more classes... were you will put me?
You might be Discovery-oriented primary (people around you feel joyful having you), and Service-oriented secondary (you feel love from within, and project love unto others and in all you do). I'm not too familiar with Enneagram, though I've studied it once, and find that it's difficult to delineate a border between one and another.

My current job requires me to be service oriented and nothing else. Strangely I'm happy with that.

At home or while travelling I'm exclusively discovery oriented. Creating, fueling and dumping never ending "projects"/ideas without goals.
You might be Project-oriented primary (you like working on a team, and creating something useful or wonderful for society), and Service-oriented secondary (you project love into all you do, and those you associate with)

Here is a summary of the three:

Discovery-oriented represents joy, and learns about gratitude the most
Project-oriented represents wonder, and learns about appreciation the most
Service-oriented represents love, and learns about satisfaction the most
 

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@Sparky. If the three preferences is what you say you're correct in your analysis. I did what I usually do, keeping it "real&literal" when interpreting things.

I thought:

Project - Likes assist in getting stuff done and establishing timelines and goals. Getting shit efficient and done.

Service - Likes to help and support. Caring for the little extra that makes peoples lives, situations and endeavors easier.

Discovery - Likes to learn and develop. Patient when trying to understand things.
 
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You might be Discovery-oriented primary (people around you feel joyful having you), and Service-oriented secondary (you feel love from within, and project love unto others and in all you do).
That sounds nice! thank you!
but also quite ENFPish.... mmh... :violin:
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I'm not too familiar with Enneagram, though I've studied it once, and find that it's difficult to delineate a border between one and another.
yes, plus names are impossible to remember... i think again the concept of ennagram is intersting but the way is implemented is too confusing, plus the same test is too short for the 9 variants with wings. Classification strategies always have the same granularity problems, if too few classes individuals are poolled together and precision is insufficiency, so classes are meaningless, if too many classes, the same individual is artificially and randomly assigned to one or another, so reproducibility is short and the reputation of the whole schema is hurt. I don't know, but 9 motivations for existing as human being seem really too much to me. Some make sense, but other are soo similar (at least for me...)... But 3 also seem really too few...
Perhalps wouldn't be more easy to ask open questions to a wide audience, and then find out how many classes are out there? did you did that to arrive with 3 classes? do you know if the ennagram people did that? just dropping ideas... :eek:h:
 
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