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I did a very quick search but surprisingly found that these have never been posted. If they are already here, please delete this thread.

Lifexplore still remains one of my favorite resources. One of the best pages on the site is titled Jungian Function Theory. I wished I knew who authored the page, since they provide some of the best information and definitions that are so widely used. Although Linda V. Berens’ book goes into more detail about the functions, with excellent illustrations, these make a great resource for those who are just beginning to learn about functions. I have omitted much of the page and can be referenced to from the url above:

Jungian Function Theory

Many people are not aware that this is how the Myers-Briggs system was founded. In the other introduction to Myers-Briggs on this website, you were taught that E/I, S/N, T/F, and J/P were four separate categories, which each letter standing for a particular set of traits. However, critics contend that this system has arisen out of viewing the MB too simply, and is a misunderstanding of MB. So, how does the real Myers-Briggs system work?

In 1920, Carl Gustav Jung published Psychological Types, which was using a psychological system from which the Myers-Briggs was founded two decades later. First off, Jung said there are two function-attitudes of living in this world - being Extraverted, and being Introverted. Some people see the difference as being "sociable" and "solitary", "talkative" or "quiet", etc. This is not what Jung originally intended. Extraversion is having your focus on the outside concrete world, interacting with it. Introversion is focusing on the inner mental world, interacting with it.

Jung also said there are four basic functions, two of them being perceiving functions, the other two being judgment functions. The perceiving functions are two basic ways of gathering data about a particular world (inside or out). The first way is through Sensing, in that Sensing experiences nothing but the object itself. The other way is through iNtuition which experiences patterns, and what is hidden beneath the surface of an experience. The two judgment functions are Thinking and Feeling, and Jung did not mean for these to be taken literally. Thinking, as a function, is a process which makes a decision based on objective, impersonal criteria. Feeling is a process which makes a decision based on how it affects others or personal, subjective values.

Each of these four functions can be subdivided into Extraverted and Introverted attitudes, and are the eight functions which we use each and every day, every minute of our lives. We use all of them, however, we do prefer some over another. Some functions we are particularly skilled at using and come automatically to us, others we are not very good at and have to really try at calling it up. Let us now attempt to identify your 1st (primary) function. Read the following descriptions carefully. Decide which of the eight functions seems the most natural for you to use, least energy cost, value it is to you, and frequency you use it.

The Eight Functions - the following descriptions are from Dynamics of Personality Type by Linda V. Berens - Interstrength Associates | Releasing Untapped Potential

Sensing is a process of becoming aware of sensory information and often involves responding to that sensory information without any judgment or evaluation of it. Sensory information is concrete and tangible in nature. In the Sensing process, the focus is on the actual experience, the facts and the data. As an active perceptual process, it is more than stimulation of the five senses. It is the registration of that stimulation and actively being drawn outward to the concrete realities of a situation or inward\ to recollections of familiar experiences.

Extraverted Sensing (Se) - Experiencing and noticing the physical world, scanning for visible reactions and relevant data. You are one with the experience. There is no "naming" or describing - just pure, vivid experience. The whole scene comes into your awareness almost at once. You may be drawn to experience more and more, seeking any variation that will intensely excite the senses. Writing that is richly descriptive can also evoke extraverted Sensing as can other mental stimulation. The process is momentary and tied to the events of the immediate situation. It is used in the here and now and helps us know what is really there in the physical world and to adapt to it. Exraverted Sensing - occurs when we scan for information that is relevant to our interests, then we mentally register data and facts such as baseball statistics, the locations of all the restaurants in town, or the names of all the actors in the popular television shows. There can be an active seeking of more and more input to get the whole picture until all sources of input have been exhausted or something else captures our attention. Associated behaviors include eating a whole box of chocolates for the variety of tastes; playing an instrument for hours with pure enjoyment, not for practice; voracious reading or continual asking of questions to get specifics.

Introverted Sensing (Si) - Recalling past experiences, remembering detailed data and what it is linked to. Introverted Sensing often involves storing data and information, then comparing and contrasting the current stimulation with similar ones. The immediate experience or words are instantly linked with the prior experiences and one registers that there is a similarity or a difference - for example, noticing that some food doesn't taste the same and is saltier than it usually is. Introverted Sensing is also operating when you see someone who reminds you of someone else. Sometimes the feeling-tone associated with the recalled image comes into your awareness along with the information itself. Then the image can be so strong, your body responds as if reliving the experience. This could be seen as a source of feelings of nostalgia or longing for the way things were. In one instance, a young couple living in Europe spent their weekends trying out restaurants looking for food that tasted like American food.


Intuiting is a process of becoming aware of abstract information, like symbols, conceptual patterns, and meanings. It is an intangible "knowing" of what something means, how it relates to something else, or what might happen. Some call this the "sixth" sense. Sometimes this process is by an external event, or sometimes this abstract information just seems to present itself to our awareness.

Extraverted iNtuition (Ne)- Inferring relationships, noticing threads of meaning, and scanning for what could be. Extraverted iNtuiting involves seeing things "as if" with various possible ways of representing reality. Using this process, we can hold many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our minds at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and "threads" together. We don't know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction with a previous one. Thus there is often an emergent quality to using this process. A strategy or concept emerges based on the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand. Extraverted iNtuiting involves realizing that there is always another view. An example is when you listen to one friend tell about an argument and understand perfectly and then listen to another friend tell a contradictory story and understand that view also. Then you wonder what the real story is because there are always so many different possible meanings.

Introverted iNtuition (Ni)- Foreseeing implications, conceptualizing, and having images of the future or profound meaning. Introverted iNtuiting often involves a sense of what will be. The details might be a little fuzzy, but when you tune in to this process, there is some sense of how things will be. Using this process, we often are able to get pictures about the future or at least a sense of what will happen before we have any data. Sometimes it is an awareness of what is happening in another location and we have no sensory data to go on. Other times introverted iNtuiting operates when we conceptualize and get a sense of a whole plan, pattern, theory, or explanation. These are the kinds of images that come to us in the shower, in meditative states, or in dreams and help us deeply understand something. Sometimes they are profoundly symbolic and even universally so. In using this process, we tune into a likely future or something universal. This information can then be used to decide what to do next, what to plan for. Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes a problem or situation to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when a completely new, un-imagined realization comes to us. There is a disengagement from interactions in the room, followed by a sudden "aha!" or "that's it!" kind of experience. These kinds of experiences are often seen as if they are "psychic" in nature. The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness to them and an imperative quality that seems to demand action.


Thinking is a process of evaluating and making judgments based on objective criteria. Using this process, we detach ourselves from our values and seek to make decisions based on principles. Activities like discriminating according to a set of criteria or objectively defined standards, analysis according to a set of principles, logic, and cause-effect reasoning are all examples of using the cognitive process of Thinking.

Extraverted Thinking (Te)- Organizing, segmenting, sorting, and applying logic and criteria. Contingency planning, scheduling, and quantifying utilize the process of extraverted Thinking. Extraverted Thinking helps us organize our environment and ideas through charts, tables, graphs, flow charts, outlines, and so on. One woman labeled the shoeboxes for her 100 pairs of shoes for color, height, style, and comfort. Sometimes the organizing of extraverted Thinking is more abstract, like a logical argument that is made to "rearrange" someone else's thinking process! An example is when we point out logical consequences and say, "If your do this, then that will happen." In written or verbal communication, extraverted Thinking helps us easily follow someone else's logic, sequence, or organization. It also helps us notice when something is missing, like when someone says he or she is going to talk about four topics and talks about only three. In general, it allows us to compartmentalize many aspects of our lives so we can do what is necessary to accomplish our objectives.

Introverted Thinking (Ti) - Analyzing, categorizing, and figuring out how something works. Introverted Thinking often involves finding just the right word to clearly express an idea concisely, crisply, and to the point. Using introverted Thinking is like having an internal sense of the essential qualities of something, noticing the fine distinctions that make it what it is and then naming it. It also involves an internal reasoning process of deriving subcategories of classes and sub-principles of general principles. These can then be used in problem solving, analysis, and refining of a product or an idea. This process is evidenced in behaviors like taking things or ideas apart to figure out how they work. The analysis involves looking at different sides of an issue and seeing where there is inconsistency. In so doing, there is a search for a "leverage point" that will fix problems with the least amount of effort or damage to the system.


Feeling is a process of making evaluations based on what is important, where personal, interpersonal, or universal values serve as guideposts. Using the cognitive process of Feeling, situations and information are assessed subjectively. The impact on people, circumstances, appropriateness, harmony, likes, and dislikes are all considered in making Feeling judgments. Weighing different values, considering ethical and moral issues, attending to personal and relationship goals, and having a belief in something all involve this process.

Extraverted Feeling (Fe)- Considering others and responding to them. The extraverted Feeling process is used in relation to particular people and situations and so has a more here-and-now quality than a universal, future, or past quality. When particular people are out of our presence or awareness, we can then adjust to new people or situations. This process helps us "grease the wheels" of social interaction. Often, the process of extraverted Feeling seems to involve a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The "social graces" such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Associated behaviors might include remembering birthdays, finding just the right card for a person and selecting a gift based on what a person likes. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them.

Introverted Feeling (Fi)- Evaluating importance and maintaining congruence. It is often hard to put words to the values used to make introverted Feeling judgments since they are often associated with images and feeling-tones more than words. As a cognitive process, it often serves as a filter for information that matches what is valued and wanted. We engage in the process of introverted Feeling when a value is compromised and we think, "sometimes, some things just have to be said." On the other hand, most of the time this process works "in private" and is seldom expressed directly. Actions often speak louder than words. This process helps us know when people are being fake or insincere or if they are basically good. It is like having an internal sense of the "essence" of a person or a project, and reading another person or action or project with fine distinctions among feeling-tones. When the other person's values and beliefs are congruent with our own, we are inclined to feel kinship with them and want to connect with them.
 

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This is great! I can totally relate to Te.
 

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Using this process, we can hold many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our minds at once with the possibility that they are all true. Then you wonder what the real story is because there are always so many different possible meanings.
OMG story of my fucking life...>.>...Ne...
 

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Extraverted Thinking (Te)- Organizing, segmenting, sorting, and applying logic and criteria. Contingency planning, scheduling, and quantifying utilize the process of extraverted Thinking. Extraverted Thinking helps us organize our environment and ideas through charts, tables, graphs, flow charts, outlines, and so on. One woman labeled the shoeboxes for her 100 pairs of shoes for color, height, style, and comfort. Sometimes the organizing of extraverted Thinking is more abstract, like a logical argument that is made to "rearrange" someone else's thinking process! An example is when we point out logical consequences and say, "If your do this, then that will happen." In written or verbal communication, extraverted Thinking helps us easily follow someone else's logic, sequence, or organization. It also helps us notice when something is missing, like when someone says he or she is going to talk about four topics and talks about only three. In general, it allows us to compartmentalize many aspects of our lives so we can do what is necessary to accomplish our objectives.
I'm very much related to the bold part.
 

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The problem with Ne is you can convince yourself of anything, Nething. (har!) That being said, I can convince myself I use Ti or Fi, leaving me, as always, as ENxP. *cries in frustration* Thanks for posting these, though.
 

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The problem with Ne is you can convince yourself of anything, Nething. (har!) That being said, I can convince myself I use Ti or Fi, leaving me, as always, as ENxP. *cries in frustration* Thanks for posting these, though.
Determine whether you prefer NF or NT as your core temperament. That should solve the problem.
 

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I'm very much related to the bold part.
I hate to say it, but that is not very much use of Te. We all use every function in some way. What you highlight is quite miniscule for someone dominating with that function. Is there a function definition of Te that fits you better?
 

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I hate to say it, but that is not very much use of Te. We all use every function in some way. What you highlight is quite miniscule for someone dominating with that function. Is there a function definition of Te that fits you better?
LOL. You know, you're the only person who ever doubt my ESTJ-ness in this forum. :wink:

dominant Extraverted Thinking (Te) - ENTJ & ESTJ:
"Creating order out of chaos" is one extraverted thinker's way of describing her volition. Determined, logical, critical, they love a challenge, especially one that will allow tangible improvement in productivity, efficiency or profitability. They are direct, finding the quickest, most direct path between what is and what should be.
Once, me and my ENFP colleague were assigned to cover some huge event held by a financial institution. The ENFP ran from one room to another room, collecting information and talk to many people. I was in one room, sat quietly in the corner and studying the rundown.

She came to me, panicked. "There're so many people to interview in one time. I got headache. How can we manage to talk to all those people?"

I showed her my rundown. I've made some notes and time list. I said to her: "You go for this guy and this guy at this time, and I will talk to this guy and this girl at that moment. blah3x..."

I made a note with the list of name and time and I gave it to her. "Those are the list of people you must interview," I told her. "I've got my own list. We have the same amount of task. By 1 pm, all task will be completed and we can go for lunch."

She was stunned for couple seconds and then said: "Wow. You make everything looks so simple and easy. Thanks."

She made a point. I like to organize things and make lists, because they make my life more easy, effective, and efficient. Less effort for more result.

They excel at implementing ideas and are often on the lookout for good ideas worthy of their attention. They are quick to organize, orchestrate, find resources, coordinate, and follow through to the end of a project. They love a problem, especially one that will make full use of their competencies, their logic and sense of order, justice and fair play.
It's more of...

  1. What are the problems? *listing*
  2. Why it occurs? *listing*
  3. What are the solutions that are expected? *listing*
  4. How to achieve those solutions? *listing*
  5. How to do it in most efficient and effective way? *listing*
  6. What are the challenges and the opportunities? *listing*
  7. How to overcome the challenges and grab the opportunities? *listing*
  8. What are the things that must be prioritized? *listing*
  9. Make ideal plans and put it in the time table.
  10. How are the team capability? *listing*
  11. Adjusting the ideal plans with the team capability.
  12. Make new plans that is more realistic.
  13. Make alternative plans.
  14. Execution and monitoring.
  15. Evaluating and adjusting the work with the plan.

Many find competition to be stimulating and fun. "These are the rules of the game now let us play." Fairness is sharing and respecting the same set of rules, so may the best one win. And since they readily acknowledge that there will be a winner and a loser, they would simply much rather be the winner. So they hone their strategies on the fine knife of experience and sharpen their skills to meet the next challenge head on. They love having greater challenges bestowed on them as a result of having successfully met the last, as this attests to their competence and skills.
At school, I was vice president for student association, president of red cross teenager club, secretary of martial art club, vice president for religious study, president of scout club, vice president for geography study club, and many more.

I also joined traditional dance club, scout club, red cross teenager club, religious study club, martial art club, theater club, geography study club, student association, and helping my friends on their clubs.

At classes, I was the class president, the class vice president, the secretary, and the treasurer.

Right now, I'm a journalist, writer, editor, and a novelist. I've been published 3 novels, numerous educational books, and hundreds of articles.

Every weekend, I hangout with my school friends, college friends, ex-colleagues, colleagues, and even with my clients.

Needless to say, I'm smug AND productive. You should worship me.
:cool:

They appear dispassionate because of their impersonal and objective approach, but close observation will reveal deep passion and enthusiasm as well as sensitivity, especially to cherished ones.
Well, I think you already aware of this part, although I haven't reveal everything yet. :wink:

However they expect others to roll up their sleeves as they do and meet the task in spite of personal hardships or discomfort. They have little tolerance for personal whims that threaten a smooth running operation.
At work, this is what I do. Not that extreme, though. But I do have little tolerant for stupidity and non-professional manner at work.


They are direct and honest with most things that displease them and expect others to do the same.
Your anger is irrational and your reasons is ridiculous.
*roll eyes* Are you always this stupid in your daily lives?

Their humanity shows in their sense of fairness and justice as well as their love of humour.
I believe in justice. I believe that the universe have balancing mechanism, and everything will be addressed in the right place where they belong. I believe that Hitler's soul will not have the same value like Mother Theresa's soul.

I believe people that work hard to survive in this world and help their family to survive, will not have the same value with people who spend their whole life to deceive others, being selfish, and whine about how sucks their life is.

That's my value. What's yours?

Still not convinced yet? LOL
 
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WickedQueen...I'm curious, why do you type yourself as ESTJ rather than ENTJ?
I'm actually have nearly balance S/N, but I'm more towards Sensor. My best friend is an ENTJ. Our personality looks similar, but we actually have different train of thought.

For example, when I have a problem that she never had before, she gave me her advices. But then when she actually experience the same problem in the future, she contradicted her own previous advices. While I tend to give practical advices that I know I already practiced it and it works for me. If I face unfamiliar problem and was asked for advice, I simply said "I don't know".

And also because of the things I've mentioned in below thread:
http://personalitycafe.com/myers-briggs-forum/20257-you-know-youre-sensor-when.html
 

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WickedQueen...Thanks for the clarification.

I think I have some Sensor qualities because I relate to 1)having a kinesthetic learning style, 2)not learning new things quickly, 3)hating change and preferring routine, 4)being pretty detail-oriented, 5)being pretty step-by-step in how I do things, 6)liking rules and guidelines so I don't have to improvise, 7)having to have things a certain way in my physical environment, and 8)I like specific, clear information or I may get confused as to what someone means.

On the other hand, I have some Intuitor qualities that make it very difficult to see myself as a Sensor: 1)I have a BA in philosophy with minors in psychology and history, I love that sort of stuff, 2)i'm very intellectual, I want to know the "why's" for things, just being told something is a certain way isn't good enough, 3)I like to start from abstract principles then apply them to concrete situations, 4)i'm not very observant about what's going on around me, 5)i'm not good at fixing stuff, such things really frustrate me, 6)I like to take a big-picture perspective in which most people can easily seem ignorant, 7)autonomy is very important to me, so even though I like rules, they need to be my rules or rules I agree with, and 8)I constantly am conscious of how things could be improved.

That's about all I can think of for now, though there's probably more traits I could think of. All things considered, I could probably put up a pretty strong argument for myself being either a Sensor or Intuitive, it's just that the Sensors I've known IRL are usually devoid of the level of intellectualism and curiosity I have, it's like there's a level where they implicity draw a line and think "This is where I will just accept things as they are and not question them further", which just makes my blood boil. And then most Sensors will think you are incompetent if you question further insread of just doing what they think you should do! It's really hard to find people I feel I can really connect with because most of them just don't look very deeply into things or care to analyze things much or look at things very objectively.

I'm curious to see what traits I mentioned on either side of the fence you relate to as you claim your type as ESTJ. I'd also like to see what your reaction is to my last paragraph concerning my frustration with Sensors.

Admittedly, I may be conflating Si and Se on some of these traits, and some of the S traits may be attributable to Te. It really all boils down to functional analysis. When push comes to shove, though, I would say for Ni I don't like ambiguity but I do like improvement and progress, while for Si I do like clarity but I could care less about tradition or maintaining things the way they've always been (or at least the way someone else had done things).

Thanks for your time.
 

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The Eight Functions- the following descriptions are from Dynamics of Personality Type by Linda V. Berens
I bought Beren's book after you mentioned her descriptions in that other thread, so thank you for that. But although I think Beren's descriptions are clearer, I don't think Myers misunderstood Jung's idea (in contrast to what i think you believe?). She just didn't seem to explain the functions as well.
 

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WickedQueen...Thanks for the clarification.

I think I have some Sensor qualities because I relate to 1)having a kinesthetic learning style, 2)not learning new things quickly, 3)hating change and preferring routine, 4)being pretty detail-oriented, 5)being pretty step-by-step in how I do things, 6)liking rules and guidelines so I don't have to improvise, 7)having to have things a certain way in my physical environment, and 8)I like specific, clear information or I may get confused as to what someone means.
I think number 2 to 8 is more related to your J trait than your Te function. Most Judgers are like this.

On the other hand, I have some Intuitor qualities that make it very difficult to see myself as a Sensor: 1)I have a BA in philosophy with minors in psychology and history, I love that sort of stuff, 2)i'm very intellectual, I want to know the "why's" for things, just being told something is a certain way isn't good enough, 3)I like to start from abstract principles then apply them to concrete situations, 4)i'm not very observant about what's going on around me, 5)i'm not good at fixing stuff, such things really frustrate me, 6)I like to take a big-picture perspective in which most people can easily seem ignorant, 7)autonomy is very important to me, so even though I like rules, they need to be my rules or rules I agree with, and 8)I constantly am conscious of how things could be improved.
I can relate to number 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.

For number 1, I don't like subject that have too many theories to memorized. I like subject with little theory, but plenty of room for applications and independent analyzing, like physical evidence of social science, literature and math. I love playing with numbers and words.

For number 3, I like to study about the basic principles too, but I also would like to know examples of the situations that I would face in concrete situations, before jumping to the real life. And then in the field, I match the basic principles with the reality, deep analyze things, and make new theories based on what I experiencing IRL.


That's about all I can think of for now, though there's probably more traits I could think of. All things considered, I could probably put up a pretty strong argument for myself being either a Sensor or Intuitive, it's just that the Sensors I've known IRL are usually devoid of the level of intellectualism and curiosity I have, it's like there's a level where they implicity draw a line and think "This is where I will just accept things as they are and not question them further", which just makes my blood boil. And then most Sensors will think you are incompetent if you question further insread of just doing what they think you should do! It's really hard to find people I feel I can really connect with because most of them just don't look very deeply into things or care to analyze things much or look at things very objectively.

I'm curious to see what traits I mentioned on either side of the fence you relate to as you claim your type as ESTJ. I'd also like to see what your reaction is to my last paragraph concerning my frustration with Sensors.
I see those traits, not only among the Sensors, but also among the Intuitors. So my conclusion is that it has something to do with intellectuality. Most people aren't experts about specific subjects. The difference between the non-intellectual Sensor and Intuitor is, when they have no clue about a subject, Sensor will depend on the most popular answer, while Intuitor will depend on the most ideal answer.

I do find that it's hard to find someone that I can really connect with, because mostly people tend to misunderstand me, and then made their own shallow assumptions and prejudices about me. It happens all the time, I got numb and decided to stop trusting anyone.


Admittedly, I may be conflating Si and Se on some of these traits, and some of the S traits may be attributable to Te. It really all boils down to functional analysis. When push comes to shove, though, I would say for Ni I don't like ambiguity but I do like improvement and progress, while for Si I do like clarity but I could care less about tradition or maintaining things the way they've always been (or at least the way someone else had done things).
Do you like to collect things? Do you have any collections? Do you like to collect old stuff to remind you of old times? Like love letter from the first boy who had a crush on you at elementary school, movie ticket from the first movie you watched with your first boyfriend, etc? If yes, then you are mostly Si.
 

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I do like to collect things but I'm not one to live in the past. The stuff I like to collect are books and stuff like that.
 

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I collect stamps, pen and glass cover from hotels where I've spend the night, eraser, books, and stuff that remind me of the past (LOTS of stuff).
 

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I just collect stuff I like. I usually have in mind that I might need an object again in the future and want to collect it, though I won't necesserily use it very often at all once I do. Sometimes a new interest will catch on for awhile and I'll start collecting something avidly, only to get tired of it later. I went through a stint of collecting Magic cards a few years back because I had a friend who was an avid player and there was a whole group of his friends and we would get together and play someimes, so I startee collecting whenever I had some spare cash. After awhile I stopped playing much at all, partly because I just didn't have the time and partly because I got kind of tired of it, and now they're lying around someplace untouched for quite some time.
 
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