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Alright, so, context: I've been into MBTI for awhile, and over that period I think my personality type has changed but I'm not sure. Initially, I was definitely an ENFJ, but now I fit more of the ENFP description. I still display many of the tendencies of ENFJs, but I'm wondering if that's just like left over or something? I still feel that drive to be helpful to people, the social savvy, and the desire to impact people. Also, my enneagram is 3w2, which is more consistent with ENFJ. I'd just like to know y'all's 2 cents. Sorry if this is the longest questionnaire on Earth - thanks for reading!!

1. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.
I was depressed for a time, which could account for the possible change in personality. However,
I'm in a pretty good place now. I'm a 17 y/o female. Oh, and it's very late where I'm writing this, so it may sound a little disjointed. Also, I'm terrible at conveying my personality and style of speech online so if you can't get any sense of me it's not your fault XD.

2. Study these two images here and here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?
Oooo, I like that first one with the sea. I think it's beautiful. Also, I like the vibe it give off.
I look at it and feel adventure - not the fiery kind but the calm, reflective sort. I can smell what it would smell like there, which is pleasing. It's serene and mysterious.

3. Please describe yourself as a person if you were to introduce yourself to someone else like in a cover letter. What kind of person are you and why?
(fyi this ended up not being very "cover letter" style.)
Boy, that's a big task. I feel like I'm hard to describe, because if I have one quality I also have the opposite. Do you know what I mean? Like, I couldn't say that I'm either lazy or driven because I'm simultaneously both. Or at least that's what I feel. I think the impression I show people is purposely simplified or composed for them. Most people would see me as a laid-back jokester. A person with a crazy energy and adventuresome spirit. However, since I present a form of my personality for people, sometimes I change this for the situation. Like, my entire family and many of my teachers think of me as subdued, studious. I think I've gotten less strict about modulating my personality than when I was younger, though, as in I follow more general guidelines that are just more formal or more casual. Sorry if that last part seemed vague. I don't know how to describe it.
I'm a busy person. I'm involved in so many different activities and invest myself in all of them. If I'm not doing something worthwhile or accomplishing something I feel terrible and lazy.
I'm an open and sociable person, and have a wide circle of good friends and acquaintances.
I feel like one of my weaknesses is my lack of follow-through. I love to start things but hate to finish them, so I tend to bounce from project to project.

4. What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?
I want to be someone who's well-like and looked up to. Influential. Accomplished. I get a deep satisfaction from making an impact on people and helping them.
I wouldn't want to be someone with cause for people to dislike them, whether it be due to personality, life choices,
or their treatment of others. I think basically the goal is to be as perfect as possible, and obviously if people dislike you then you're probably doing something wrong.

5. Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?
Whoops, I basically described how others see me before, but I'll just talk about how I see me here. I find myself to be a rather serious person, even though I present myself as not having a care in the world.
I enjoy being around others and knowing them and helping them. I'm intellectual but may not completely show it.
I'm bold and adventuresome.
I think what most people see is the slightly shallow image of a happy-go-lucky hippie jokester, but I'm more ambitious and serious than that and prefer people who are the same.

6. What in life do you find to be of importance? Why? If you are unsure you can always take the Value Test and post the results here. Do note that it helps if you narrow it down to 20 or ideally 10 values as suggested at stage 2.
I think in life it's important to constantly work to improve yourself and the world. As long as everyone does that then everything else will fall into place.

7. How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?
I'm usually cautious at first, unless I decide to just barge in and take a risk by being outgoing and entertaining right off the bat. Most times I sit back for the first little bit and join in when I have an idea of what the rules and limitations are for my behavior. Then I'll jump in and be comfortable going with the flow. Sometimes I may come off as shy or quiet in new situations, but it's only because I don't want to do the wrong thing or make a fool of myself.

8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.
I'm very good at dealing with stress in the moment and long term. I feel like it almost just doesn't affect me, or at least I don't acknowledge it. Oftentimes having stress makes me better.

9. Please describe yourself when you are in an enjoyable situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.
Hmmm. When I'm enjoying myself I'm very confident, but in a low-key kind of way, not the in your face all charm confidence that I sometimes summon up if I'm unsure. I'm also usually laid-back and relaxed.


10. Describe your relationship to socialization. How do you perceive one-on-one interaction? How do you perceive group interaction?
In one-on-one interaction I'm usually less energetic, and more calm and slow-paced. I like one-on-one because it can achieve a greater depth than group interaction.
In group interaction I'm more animated and portray more of a persona of charisma and charm. I like group interaction because it's fun and exciting.

11. Describe your relationship to society. What are the elements of it you hold important or unimportant (e.g. social norms, values, customs, traditions)? How do you see people as a whole?
I feel like I defy society, live more by my own rules. I don't think I apply very well to social norms but I can mimic them. I'm not traditional in any right. But I don't see society as the enemy. I think social norms are necessary for regulating behavior and facilitating interaction.

12. Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?
I don't do too well with people who must maintain rigid authority. I feel like authority should be more of a two-way street, like if I don't agree with something I can call for a change. But that's usually not the case so I deal with it usually by talking back or rebelling if it's a minor authority. With a serious authority with more serious repercussions I subdue myself but hate the feeling that it inspires.

13. Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?
I'm generally more chaotic, definitely. But like an ordered chaos. I feel like even though I act and make decisions that I play up as very chaotic to others, I tend to keep my behavior in check and regulated. Like,
I'll exaggerate how little I do my homework and pretend I'm worried about going into quizzes without studying,
but really I know the facts and figures about where my grade is at and am confident I can maintain it.

14. What is it that your fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?
I fear not being liked and valued by others. I try hard to do good for other people and be a kind and approachable person in order to avoid this. I get upset if I feel like I'm very invested in a person and have been friendly and helpful to them and they still don't like or care for me.

15. What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?
I want to be able to experience amazing things and relationships. I think this stems from the wonder that hearing other people's stories has inspired and also from the good feeling I get from my own past experiences.

16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?
Depends. I feel like I'm both energized and drained by spending time with people, but on the flip side if I spend too much time alone I feel drained and unhappy. I put effort into maintaining a balance. Typically going outside or doing something otherwise adventurous are always energy boosters, alone or with people.

17. Why do you want to know your type? What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why? If you know your enneagram, please post this here. If you have done any online function tests such as the Keys2Cognition, it helps if you post these results here as well.
I want to know my type because I've been trying to figure myself out and improve myself.
I think I'm some strange conglomeration of ENFJ and ENFP, if that's even possible, maybe leaning a bit more to ENFP.
My enneagram is 3w2.

18. Finally, is there something else you find to be of importance you want to add about yourself you think might be of relevance when helping to type you?
Nope.
 

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Hello. I would be inclined towards ENFP. ENFJ's have Fe (Extraverted Feeling) as their dominant cognitive function, which means they are very socially orientated. ENFP's, on the other hand, are known as one of the quieter extroverts, which means it would make more sense for you to say socialising can sometimes be draining for you as an ENFP. Your relationship with authority being difficult and your love of trying new things over socialising all strongly suggest that you may well be Ne (Extraverted Intuition) dominant, which would make you an ENFP. However, I would suggest you research ENTP as well. ENTP's also have Ne as their dominant function; you seem quite studious and intelligent, which could indicate Ti (Introverted Thinking) as your auxiliary, though it's hard to say. As it's an introverted function, it would work in that you show your logical side to the world less than your adventurous side, and that seems to be what you are describing. You also say that you appreciate the need for social norms and that you fear not being liked and included socially (which could be teritary Fe, Extraverted Feeling, in the ENTP's functional stack. Also on the Judging/Percieving preferences you do seem more of a perceiver from what you've written. It's hard to say between those two without knowing more. Some questions - do you like debating intellectual ideas in a critical, detached way or are you quite sensitive and apt to taking things personally. My thinker sister (ENTP) loves having debates about intellectual, theoretical concepts, whereas as an INFP I am prone to take any criticism of my ideas personally. She is also more assertive generally. Hope this helps!
 

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Alright, so, context: I've been into MBTI for awhile, and over that period I think my personality type has changed but I'm not sure. Initially, I was definitely an ENFJ, but now I fit more of the ENFP description. I still display many of the tendencies of ENFJs, but I'm wondering if that's just like left over or something? I still feel that drive to be helpful to people, the social savvy, and the desire to impact people. Also, my enneagram is 3w2, which is more consistent with ENFJ. I'd just like to know y'all's 2 cents. Sorry if this is the longest questionnaire on Earth - thanks for reading!!

1. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.
I was depressed for a time, which could account for the possible change in personality. However,
I'm in a pretty good place now. I'm a 17 y/o female. Oh, and it's very late where I'm writing this, so it may sound a little disjointed. Also, I'm terrible at conveying my personality and style of speech online so if you can't get any sense of me it's not your fault XD.
You type like an Fe type. ENTHUSIASM AND FACES XD!!!

2. Study these two images here and here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?
Oooo, I like that first one with the sea. I think it's beautiful. Also, I like the vibe it give off.
I look at it and feel adventure - not the fiery kind but the calm, reflective sort. I can smell what it would smell like there, which is pleasing. It's serene and mysterious.
Se types like to talk about angles and shadow and how the light bends. You don't. However, you still seem Se rather than Ne. Aesthetic appreciation. Emphasis on emotional atmosphere and sensation.

3. Please describe yourself as a person if you were to introduce yourself to someone else like in a cover letter. What kind of person are you and why?
(fyi this ended up not being very "cover letter" style.)
Boy, that's a big task. I feel like I'm hard to describe, because if I have one quality I also have the opposite. Do you know what I mean? Like, I couldn't say that I'm either lazy or driven because I'm simultaneously both. Or at least that's what I feel. I think the impression I show people is purposely simplified or composed for them. Most people would see me as a laid-back jokester. A person with a crazy energy and adventuresome spirit. However, since I present a form of my personality for people, sometimes I change this for the situation. Like, my entire family and many of my teachers think of me as subdued, studious. I think I've gotten less strict about modulating my personality than when I was younger, though, as in I follow more general guidelines that are just more formal or more casual. Sorry if that last part seemed vague. I don't know how to describe it.
I'm a busy person. I'm involved in so many different activities and invest myself in all of them. If I'm not doing something worthwhile or accomplishing something I feel terrible and lazy.

I'm an open and sociable person, and have a wide circle of good friends and acquaintances.
I feel like one of my weaknesses is my lack of follow-through. I love to start things but hate to finish them, so I tend to bounce from project to project.
You sound Fe. The last sentence sounds Ne. What's your enneagram type? And you're adventurous, but in what sense?

4. What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?
I want to be someone who's well-like and looked up to. Influential. Accomplished. I get a deep satisfaction from making an impact on people and helping them.
I wouldn't want to be someone with cause for people to dislike them, whether it be due to personality, life choices,
or their treatment of others. I think basically the goal is to be as perfect as possible, and obviously if people dislike you then you're probably doing something wrong.
Very Fe. Influential and accomplished in what sense?

5. Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?
Whoops, I basically described how others see me before, but I'll just talk about how I see me here. I find myself to be a rather serious person, even though I present myself as not having a care in the world.
I enjoy being around others and knowing them and helping them. I'm intellectual but may not completely show it.
I'm bold and adventuresome.
I think what most people see is the slightly shallow image of a happy-go-lucky hippie jokester, but I'm more ambitious and serious than that and prefer people who are the same.
You are so Fe it hurts. There's not an ounce of Fi in you. You're not an ENFP. You make some vague statements. I think Pi types are more inclined to this.

6. What in life do you find to be of importance? Why? If you are unsure you can always take the Value Test and post the results here. Do note that it helps if you narrow it down to 20 or ideally 10 values as suggested at stage 2.
I think in life it's important to constantly work to improve yourself and the world. As long as everyone does that then everything else will fall into place.
Everything else will fall into place? I know many Si types who would say this and mean, "Whatever happens, happens." I also know some ENXJs who would say this and mean, "It's all part of some grand scheme." Which is more you?

7. How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?
I'm usually cautious at first, unless I decide to just barge in and take a risk by being outgoing and entertaining right off the bat. Most times I sit back for the first little bit and join in when I have an idea of what the rules and limitations are for my behavior. Then I'll jump in and be comfortable going with the flow. Sometimes I may come off as shy or quiet in new situations, but it's only because I don't want to do the wrong thing or make a fool of myself.
So much Fe in you.

8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.
I'm very good at dealing with stress in the moment and long term. I feel like it almost just doesn't affect me, or at least I don't acknowledge it. Oftentimes having stress makes me better.
How so?

9. Please describe yourself when you are in an enjoyable situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.
Hmmm. When I'm enjoying myself I'm very confident, but in a low-key kind of way, not the in your face all charm confidence that I sometimes summon up if I'm unsure. I'm also usually laid-back and relaxed.


10. Describe your relationship to socialization. How do you perceive one-on-one interaction? How do you perceive group interaction?
In one-on-one interaction I'm usually less energetic, and more calm and slow-paced. I like one-on-one because it can achieve a greater depth than group interaction.
In group interaction I'm more animated and portray more of a persona of charisma and charm. I like group interaction because it's fun and exciting.
Depth in what sense? More Fe.

11. Describe your relationship to society. What are the elements of it you hold important or unimportant (e.g. social norms, values, customs, traditions)? How do you see people as a whole?
I feel like I defy society, live more by my own rules. I don't think I apply very well to social norms but I can mimic them. I'm not traditional in any right. But I don't see society as the enemy. I think social norms are necessary for regulating behavior and facilitating interaction.
More Fe. This doesn't help me to decide between SFJ and NFJ. I don't know where Myers-Briggs got "Si = tradition" from. Don't brush off SFJ yet.

12. Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?
I don't do too well with people who must maintain rigid authority. I feel like authority should be more of a two-way street, like if I don't agree with something I can call for a change. But that's usually not the case so I deal with it usually by talking back or rebelling if it's a minor authority. With a serious authority with more serious repercussions I subdue myself but hate the feeling that it inspires.
Some Fe.

13. Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?
I'm generally more chaotic, definitely. But like an ordered chaos. I feel like even though I act and make decisions that I play up as very chaotic to others, I tend to keep my behavior in check and regulated. Like,
I'll exaggerate how little I do my homework and pretend I'm worried about going into quizzes without studying,
but really I know the facts and figures about where my grade is at and am confident I can maintain it.
So you're internally ordered?

14. What is it that your fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?
I fear not being liked and valued by others. I try hard to do good for other people and be a kind and approachable person in order to avoid this. I get upset if I feel like I'm very invested in a person and have been friendly and helpful to them and they still don't like or care for me.
Fe.

15. What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?
I want to be able to experience amazing things and relationships. I think this stems from the wonder that hearing other people's stories has inspired and also from the good feeling I get from my own past experiences.

Amazing things?

16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?
Depends. I feel like I'm both energized and drained by spending time with people, but on the flip side if I spend too much time alone I feel drained and unhappy. I put effort into maintaining a balance. Typically going outside or doing something otherwise adventurous are always energy boosters, alone or with people.
Extrovert.

17. Why do you want to know your type? What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why? If you know your enneagram, please post this here. If you have done any online function tests such as the Keys2Cognition, it helps if you post these results here as well.
I want to know my type because I've been trying to figure myself out and improve myself.
I think I'm some strange conglomeration of ENFJ and ENFP, if that's even possible, maybe leaning a bit more to ENFP.
My enneagram is 3w2.
3w2 or 2w3 was actually very obvious.

18. Finally, is there something else you find to be of importance you want to add about yourself you think might be of relevance when helping to type you?
Nope.
You are totally an EXFJ, but I can't tell whether you're an ENFJ or ESFJ. The fact that you bounce between projects makes me think Ne, which would make you ESFJ, but you keep describing yourself as adventurous, which is more in line with Se, although that might depend on how you define adventure.
 

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My gut feeling says ENFJ.. the Fe is obvious, the Ni isn't obvious but I get a Ni-Se vibe from your post rather than Si-Ne. You don't seem as grounded as an ESFJ normally is.
 

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@Siara14 That description does sound like me. I'm not really big on debating - I'd rather have an open-ended discussion. My brother's an ENTP and his propensity for debate is draining to me.



Thanks so much @Flower Hat for your detailed reply! I responded to some of your questions below to clarify.

And you're adventurous, but in what sense?
In every sense, really. I love to jump into things I haven't done before, and I love the feeling that anything could happen. Also, I feel like I'm chasing something, maybe like some deeper knowledge or understanding that I can only have when I experience everything.

Influential and accomplished in what sense?
Influential in that people will look up to me as a leader. Accomplished in that I can enact my plans for myself and the world.

You make some vague statements. I think Pi types are more inclined to this.
Eh, it may have been because of my tiredness that I didn't want to explain. I actually enjoy trying to explain my opinions or conclusions to people. Like, in a discussion I may make a vague statement but then try and capture exactly what I mean more in depth.

Everything else will fall into place? I know many Si types who would say this and mean, "Whatever happens, happens." I also know some ENXJs who would say this and mean, "It's all part of some grand scheme." Which is more you?
I don't know about any "grand scheme". I actually think that people can make themselves and defy the grand scheme of things. A personal mantra is "what is, is" which is sort of the same thing as "what happens, happens". I feel like I say that not because I think it was destined to happen but more as a reaction to it happening. Like, you already spilled the milk, so there's no use getting too upset about it. This mentality may be why I don't stay angry or upset about things and get over them more easily.

8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.
I'm very good at dealing with stress in the moment and long term. I feel like it almost just doesn't affect me, or at least I don't acknowledge it. Oftentimes having stress makes me better.
How so?
Stress can make me perform better because I oftentimes do my best work when I'm racing a deadline.
Also, I have a more relaxed mentality about things - I rarely ever go "doomsday". I understand that if I don't turn something in or mess up, it's not really that important. Also, I'm confident in my ability to handle turmoil.

In one-on-one interaction I'm usually less energetic, and more calm and slow-paced. I like one-on-one because it can achieve a greater depth than group interaction.
Depth in what sense? More Fe.
Depth in the sense that there is a strong connection. When I'm in a crowd I feel like there's a more feeble connection between me and the other people, but when I'm one-on-one I feel very connected to the other person. Perhaps like groups are more a thrill and one-on-one's more a comfort.

So you're internally ordered?
Define internally ordered.

Amazing things?
Transcendent experiences. I want to travel India, climb a mountain, visit the wilds of Africa. It makes me feel alive.

You are totally an EXFJ, but I can't tell whether you're an ENFJ or ESFJ. The fact that you bounce between projects makes me think Ne, which would make you ESFJ, but you keep describing yourself as adventurous, which is more in line with Se, although that might depend on how you define adventure.
I'm surprised you're so confident in ExFJ, because I thought for sure people would confirm ENFP. Although,
could it be possible for me to have an ENFP persona and an ENFJ way of thinking?
 

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You strike me as an ENFJ or you have a strong Fe for an ENFP...
Two questions:
Why do you want/like helping people? / How do you usually find yourself helping people?
Is your home messy?
 

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@siara14 that description does sound like me. I'm not really big on debating - i'd rather have an open-ended discussion. My brother's an entp and his propensity for debate is draining to me.



Thanks so much @flower hat for your detailed reply! I responded to some of your questions below to clarify.

and you're adventurous, but in what sense?
in every sense, really. I love to jump into things i haven't done before, and i love the feeling that anything could happen. Also, i feel like i'm chasing something, maybe like some deeper knowledge or understanding that i can only have when i experience everything.
you seem to be adventurous in a conceptual sense, mostly. That would be ne. Your focus on sensation in one of your answers (where you had to explain your impression of a picture) probably came from your preference for s over n. Honestly, i did think you were more likely esfj than enfj, because a 3w2 enfj would be a lot more driven and focused than you are. Your scattered energy comes from ne, and that's probably a reason why you relate so much to enfp.

influential and accomplished in what sense?
influential in that people will look up to me as a leader. Accomplished in that i can enact my plans for myself and the world.
even more fe. The second sentence could mean anything, but your focus on the world exaggerates your fe.

you make some vague statements. I think pi types are more inclined to this.
eh, it may have been because of my tiredness that i didn't want to explain. I actually enjoy trying to explain my opinions or conclusions to people. Like, in a discussion i may make a vague statement but then try and capture exactly what i mean more in depth.
doesn't say much, but i think your vague statements point to pi, particularly si because they were more concrete.

everything else will fall into place? I know many si types who would say this and mean, "whatever happens, happens." i also know some enxjs who would say this and mean, "it's all part of some grand scheme." which is more you?
i don't know about any "grand scheme". I actually think that people can make themselves and defy the grand scheme of things. a personal mantra is "what is, is" which is sort of the same thing as "what happens, happens". I feel like i say that not because i think it was destined to happen but more as a reaction to it happening. Like, you already spilled the milk, so there's no use getting too upset about it. This mentality may be why i don't stay angry or upset about things and get over them more easily.
hello, si.

8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.
I'm very good at dealing with stress in the moment and long term. I feel like it almost just doesn't affect me, or at least i don't acknowledge it. Oftentimes having stress makes me better.
how so?
stress can make me perform better because i oftentimes do my best work when i'm racing a deadline.
Also, i have a more relaxed mentality about things - i rarely ever go "doomsday". I understand that if i don't turn something in or mess up, it's not really that important. Also, i'm confident in my ability to handle turmoil.
this actually sounds more pe than pi. However, your ne seems unusually developed, and this could stem from that.

in one-on-one interaction i'm usually less energetic, and more calm and slow-paced. I like one-on-one because it can achieve a greater depth than group interaction.
depth in what sense? More fe.
depth in the sense that there is a strong connection. When i'm in a crowd i feel like there's a more feeble connection between me and the other people, but when i'm one-on-one i feel very connected to the other person. Perhaps like groups are more a thrill and one-on-one's more a comfort.
feeling over thinking. I was actually hoping to you'd give more depth with regards to your preferred perceiving function, so that i could decide whether you are more si or ni.

so you're internally ordered?
define internally ordered.
your thoughts are ordered. Or you try to organize your logic but you find yourself overanalyzing and over-organizing your thoughts which might be overwhelming for you.

amazing things?
transcendent experiences. I want to travel india, climb a mountain, visit the wilds of africa. It makes me feel alive.
sounds se, but that's me stereotyping. There are plenty of adventurous sfjs.

you are totally an exfj, but i can't tell whether you're an enfj or esfj. The fact that you bounce between projects makes me think ne, which would make you esfj, but you keep describing yourself as adventurous, which is more in line with se, although that might depend on how you define adventure.
i'm surprised you're so confident in exfj, because i thought for sure people would confirm enfp. Although,
could it be possible for me to have an enfp persona and an enfj way of thinking?
the act that you're so attached to enfp as a "persona" supports the argument for esfj in my opinion. Si users are susceptible to leaning onto mbti descriptions and stereotypes in typing. High si in particular loves to put everyone and everything in a box with a label on it. Forget the sj = traditional stereotype. According to jung's description, si is basically just interpreting a sensory object subjectively and clinging strongly to a subjective framework in order to understand a new object better. This makes si users, in my opinion, more likely to stereotype. You're doing this in typing yourself enfp / asking if you have an enfp persona. You have this subjective interpretation of an enfp and you feel like you fit into the enfp box so you expect to be typed as one. Your ne and ti might be pulling you to explore more and learn more about cognitive functions, which is why you're asking if you're cognitively an enfj with an enfp persona. You are not an enfp, cognitively. Nor are you an enfj.
esfj.
 

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What you said about Si users at the end is making me think because I don't seem to use Si yet I find myself stereotyping a bit (not proud of it) and I love slapping mbti labels on pretty much everyone I meet lol

you sure that's only an Si thing?
 

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What you said about Si users at the end is making me think because I don't seem to use Si yet I find myself stereotyping a bit (not proud of it) and I love slapping mbti labels on pretty much everyone I meet lol

you sure that's only an Si thing?
I do that too and I don't have Si so I highly doubt that's a Si thing.
It might also be a Fe thing, the need to understand people so you know how to be nice to them.
 

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Why do you want/like helping people? / How do you usually find yourself helping people?
Is your home messy?
I just get a lot of satisfaction from helping people. I like to improve things, because then I can look at something and know I made it better. I do a lot of volunteer work, and am currently interning for a non-profit. I love it because in the real world, if you see something that isn't working and needs to be improved, there are so many barriers in place that stop you from improving it, but in the non-profit world everyone's constantly changing things to streamline them and make a bigger impact.
And my home is SO messy. So, so very messy.


@Flower Hat

I read the profile for ESFJ, but it really didn't strike a chord with me. Is it possible to be a certain type but not apply to the characteristics? I know you said I put too much stock in the description, but some of this stuff is the opposite of true for me.

I selected a few that were just very off:

"Discussing scientific theories or debating European politics isn’t likely to capture Consuls’ interest for too long. Consuls are more concerned with fashion and their appearance, their social status and the standings of other people."
I'd love to have a long intellectual conversations with people, I hardly care about my appearance, and I'm not too involved in monitoring social status.

"Consul personality type will base their moral compass on established traditions and laws, upholding authority and rules, rather than drawing their morality from philosophy or mysticism."
This just... none of it applies to me. I do draw morality from philosophy and mysticism, and I can't muster up too much concern for laws and traditions.

"...prefer plans and organized events to open-ended activities or spontaneous get-togethers"
About 98% of my activities are spontaneous, spur of the moment things, and I prefer it. I'm terrible with plans made far in advance because then if I want to do something else the day of, I'm already locked in. It also adds the stress of getting somewhere on time.

"Consuls place a lot of importance on what is socially acceptable, and can be very cautious, even critical of anything unconventional or outside the mainstream."
This one is especially strange, because I'm one of the oddest ducks I know. I actually prefer people and things that are unconventional and tend to find the kind of friends that most other people consider too weird.

"They are great with practical matters like money management and administrative tasks"
Ha. Hahahahahaha.
 

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Are you more of an idea creator or an idea refiner?

Do you feel more comfortable spitballing ideas among other people or do you like to keep your ideas to yourself and think better alone in your mind
 

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Definitely more of a spitballer/idea creator. Like, when I'm writing a new story or starting a new painting I sometimes think up so many ideas that I can't decide which I want to do. I like to talk through my ideas and such with other people and have them help me refine and develop them.
 

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Definitely more of a spitballer/idea creator. Like, when I'm writing a new story or starting a new painting I sometimes think up so many ideas that I can't decide which I want to do. I like to talk through my ideas and such with other people and have them help me refine and develop them.

Ok I change my mind, you're an ENFP. This is hands down Ne and not Ni
 

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I think you being a type 3w2 enneagram (normally an Fe type) is tricking us into believing you're an Fe dominant when you're actually not
 

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Ack, that's three votes for three different types. I wish I knew what all the cognitive functions meant so I could evaluate it myself. Right now it's all just a bunch of alphabet soup to me :D

How did you learn to type people?
 

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Ack, that's three votes for three different types. I wish I knew what all the cognitive functions meant so I could evaluate it myself. Right now it's all just a bunch of alphabet soup to me :D

How did you learn to type people?
I'll break it down for you

There's
Intuition (Ni and Ne)
Sensing (Si and Se)
Thinking (Ti and Te)
Feeling (Fi and Fe)

Every type can only have one of each

If your Intuition is extroverted your Sensing HAS to be introverted and vice versa

Same thing with Thinking and Feeling

For instance with ENFP
Ne
Fi
Te
Si

The intuition is the highest function for an ENFP so by default the Sensing has to be last since they are opposites. Notice how the Intution is Extroverted and outward and the Sensing is Introverted and inward

Also note Extroverted when it comes to functions also means Objective. Introverted mean subjective.

So an ENFP's Intution and Thinking are objective. While their Feeling and Sensing are subjective.

FPs value Fi not Fe
FJs value Fe not Fi
TPs value Ti not Te
TJs value Te not Ti

SPs value Se then Ni
SJs value Si then Ne
NPs value Ne then Si
NJs value Ni then Ni



Here's a chart:
https://www.careerplanner.com/MB2/8-CognitiveFunctionsChart.cfm

Definitions of functions:
https://www.careerplanner.com/8CognitiveFunctions/Cognitive-Functions-Simply-Explained.cfm
 
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I knew you were an ENFP when you said you like to spitball and share ideas because that means your Intuition (ideas) are Extroverted.. they are more objective meaning they can be freely shared. (Ne)

To Introverted Intuitives like myself (Ni), ideas are subjective and therefore not easily explained to others
 

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I just get a lot of satisfaction from helping people. I like to improve things, because then I can look at something and know I made it better. I do a lot of volunteer work, and am currently interning for a non-profit. I love it because in the real world, if you see something that isn't working and needs to be improved, there are so many barriers in place that stop you from improving it, but in the non-profit world everyone's constantly changing things to streamline them and make a bigger impact.
And my home is SO messy. So, so very messy.
I changed my mind, this a very Fi (ENFP) answer. You talk about how volunteer work makes you feel good and how you want to change things (Ne) for the better. I do volunteer work myself and while all of this is true for me too, my first thought would have probably been something along the line of: I can make others happy, which would be more Fe.
Plus your house is messy, ENFPs tend to be messy (Si in 4th). Out of curiosity, does a clean house seem empty to you?
ENFJs on the contrary tend to be very clean and organized (Si in 3rd). When I asked my ENFJ friend if it was because cleaning her house feels like cleaning her mind, she agreed. Her house has to be clean for her to be at peace.
 
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