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Marvin, why does it have to be warm, and why do you need any bed, let alone a decent one?

I'm ahead of you in this regard.
I like my creature comforts up to a point. A 4-inch futon is plenty. I grew up someplace ball-freezing and have grown to appreciate warmth.
 
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I like my creature comforts up to a point. A 4-inch futon is plenty. I grew up someplace ball-freezing and have grown to appreciate warmth.
I shall be the better saint.
 
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I shall be the better saint.
Tbh I don't avoid possessions and comforts to be saintly, I just plain don't like them. I like beauty you can't own - landscapes, sea shores, cityscapes, women.

My saintly qualities are entirely non-physical. Cleaning your bathroom while you're away visiting in-laws, listening quietly so you get to talk, looking you in the eyes so you feel a little less lonely. Not to mention hugs.
 
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Tbh I don't avoid possessions and comforts to be saintly, I just plain don't like them. .
Oh, I'm totes in it for the glory and that golden crown, not to mention an incorruptible body so I can freak people the fuck out:

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Oh, I'm totes in it for the glory and that golden crown, not to mention an incorruptible body so I can freak people the fuck out:
 
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Equating survival with SP never made any sense to me. The instincts only make sense to me as a way to explain what kind of energy you instinctively focus on, something like...

SP = your own energy
SO = group energy
SX = sexual energy (which doesn't have to be sexual ... it's based on sexuality but could focus on work etc.)

I can imagine how an SP-first ISTP might focus on survival and possessions and whatnot, but to me as an INFJ, it's more about being focused on what my Ni is up to, that internal universe of dazzling lights.
So this is what makes most sense to me and how I usually think of instincts, more or less.

Heart types make it really confusing though, even the most introverted INTJ sp/sx 3w4 will still be essentially focused on who they are in eyes of other people, focus on themselves as someone who can get validation rather than just on themselves by themselves and for themselves.
The problem gets even worse with 2 and 4, especially 2.

I feel like I understand the way it works, how the self focused energy can apply regardless of type, but only in very vague terms and pretty much just enough to know that according to every other sp definition I'm sp blind and according to this particular one my gut tells me I'm sp even though it's difficult to directly experience my own sp-ness in sp-ish terms, ultimately what I can say about it is:
a)As a child I was sp, don't even need to define sp to know it
b)So dom seems ridiculous when I think about it more and sx seems like it should be right, but it just feels kinda meh and insubstantial, I mean there is a definite string of sx woven throughout my entire life but it doesn't feel like the thing (so I guess by process of elimination it's sp?)


Would be great if someone with better Ti than mine could sort out my thoughts for me :frustrating:
 
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Would be great if someone with better Ti than mine could sort out my thoughts for me :frustrating:
Maybe you have a fairly even distribution of them, 40/30/30 SP/SX/SO?

It is difficult enough for me to fathom what life looks like for an extrovert, never mind an SP-first extrovert. I guess there must be a contradiction in there somewhere, some conserving of your energy and prioritising your own needs over those of others. Although the instincts, enneatypes and MB types are separate layers, they tend not to be entirely randomly combined - there's a reason you won't find many INFP 8s or ESTJ 2s.
 
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Have you seen this movie? I believe the main character is sp/sx.

 


I know this movie too and it highly resonated with me. Also always wanted to pack up and live alone somewhere alone in nature for a while. It`s still something I wanna do someday, just not as long as he did, maybe for one or two monts or so.

But I think the main character could as well be a so called "antisocial" social subtype, because he seems to still be quite concerned about what is going on in society, how it is doing and so on, I could easily see him as a social 4, which is a type very critical and possibly resentful and hateful of society, defining themselves as outside the system whilst simultaneusly constantly tracking society and its actions. But then again, I could see him as SP as well and, also, it`s a long time since I watched this movie, so I don`t remember the plot exactly.
 

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I would probably be happy as a hermit in a cave if it was sufficiently warm and I had a decent bed.
I'm pretty introverted and I might be Sp as you suggested earlier in this thread, but just the thought of living this way forever is quite disturbing and terrifying to me. For a certain period of time, like maybe half a year as its longest I would love this way of living, but eventually it would become draining and just simply lonely.
I love and need my alone time and to get away from people to be by myself, and when people don't respect my personal space and my privacy, I get highly irritated and annoyed on the inside. I get really exhausted after too much interaction/time spent with with others too, when there hasn't been an opportunity to get away from time to time. But on the other hand, if this style would become my way of living, being a hermit living alone in his cave, I would be utterly miserable. I still crave and need some amount of interaction/ inclusion with others and the outer world, I really don't want to be completely cut off from that.
If I had to choose between "being forever together with or surrounded by people" and "living forever alone as hermit cut off from everyone", I would choose the first (allthough it would depend on who these people were, of course), it would be a nasty option though.
As I said, if I don't see or if I'm not involved with people to some extent at least, it eventually drives me insane.
 

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Because I'm always alone and pretty happy about that beyond the fact I sometimes would like to get laid and do something stupid like be in love. (ideally with someone who isn't clingy or high maintenance).


edit: I just found the most relatable picture.
 
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I assume I'm ISFP cuz I'm not ISFJ. ISFJ have Fe which is mindhive thinking, group values, etc. Also J implies being on top of things. I procrastinate and people have said I'm self absorbed.
I could be an intuitive granted but that's just because I'm on holiday.
 

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So do I sound more like Sp or not?
You sound introverted but not so sure about an SP-dom type of introversion if the idea of being alone for too long terrifies you. The hermit life sounds ideal to me.


@VoodooDolls SP = Self-preservation instinctual variant, not SP as in Sensor Perceiver.
 
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Erm, I think it plays out differently for every type.

As a SP 4 I'm not considered as intense and overtly showing my emotions to others. I often suffer in silence sharing my pain with a few trusted people. I do not seek out social situations(or belonging) and edgy experiences as much as maybe a SO or a SX 4 would. Also despite that I'm creative I don't really look to share my artistic side with everyone and I'm more private about it. Last but not least, I love homemaking and 'nesting', making my living space beautiful and cosy(oh, love me some hygge, too), spending lots of time in it. I feel most comfortable at home, relaxing with a book, a movie or YouTube, napping(lol). When I feel more expressive I do solo karaoke and dancing at home. ;3 I'm really like a lone wolf and fine with less human interaction. Pretty withdrawn at times and fantasize/live in my head a lot.

However, when I do crave human interaction I like having a friend or a few people over for some board games, painting, cooking or a movie night. I don't mind going out to meet friends but it makes me feel much more sensory stimulated and I can't be as focused(or relaxed) on the person/people I'm with as I would have been if they were my guest(s) at home.
 

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Erm, I think it plays out differently for every type.

Last but not least, I love homemaking and 'nesting', making my living space beautiful and cosy(oh, love me some hygge, too), spending lots of time in it. I feel most comfortable at home, relaxing with a book, a movie or YouTube, napping(lol). When I feel more expressive I do solo karaoke and dancing at home. ;3 I'm really like a lone wolf and fine with less human interaction. Pretty withdrawn at times and fantasize/live in my head a lot.
Interesting, I always thought Sp 4's would still be somewhat outwardly oriented as part of the so called "image" - or "heart" - types and therefore be somewhat more oriented to relationships and interactions with others, to some degree at lesst. I'm really starting to doubt if I am Sp first(I'm a 9 though), also taking into account what the others have brought up here. I seriously start thinking if I might actually be Sx last.

The wing, however, does certainly play a role in here too, as 4w3's regardless of instinct will always be more "extraverted" or externally oriented than the 4w5 obviously. Do you know your wing?
 
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