Actually, there's a huge difference between human value systems and human emotions!
Well, perhaps we are not looking at this in the same way. I think of 'values' as 'ideals.' I do not mean to speak of values in terms of 'whatever someone happens to place importance on.' For instance, as a matter of fact, I do value logic (and so do the Vulcans, apparently). I also value ethical fabric, historical artifacts, and rare artistic masterpieces like the Mona Lisa. Yet to say that I value these things is not necessarily to speak of the 'values' that often concern 'feeling' types. For feeling types, values are instead often nonrational ideals - almost like intuitive notions of what is acceptable and what is not. Thus, values for feeling types often boil down to ethical standards of some form. Moreover, it does appear that these specific 'values' (as ethical ideals) do tend to be largely associated with emotion (as opposed to values in the more objective sense of 'whatever someone considers important'). For instance, if I value logic, that hardly has anything to do with emotion, clearly. Yet if I maintain a value that considers it wrong to kill unborn fetuses, one might say that this is largely tied to some type of emotional instinct of some form, such that it is not a rational, logical attitude or viewpoint.
And so, if someone who held to this value were to be bombarded with logic (as is often the case), the natural reaction is not to argue that the interlocutor's logic is invalid, but instead to attempt to justify the value to a logical person in a way that downplays the importance of logic. (And oddly enough, this movie did a great job of contrasting "gut feelings" and "intuitive hunches" with brute logic, though gut feelings and hunches have more to do with intuition and less to do with values.) Hence, I really don't think it's a big deal to draw a subtle distinction between 'values' and 'emotions.' More often than not, the two are largely interwoven together. So I consider them synonymous in a way (at least when speaking about what people think is the 'right thing' much of the time). Perhaps we can just say that values essentially boil down to some emotional basis, and so I can just skip to the chase (and not beat around the bush) and just speak of what's really going on. It's not really values; it's emotion. And hence, values (as emotions) are nonrational and don't favor well when logically scrutinized. I've come across tons of feeler types who maintain odd emotional value standards in arguments and conflicts (who stand fairly stubbornly to their own viewpoints and opinions) who yet cannot come up with any great logical reasons to explain why they feel so strongly about this or that stance they have taken on any given issue.
And thus, as I've already said, Spock is not a character with these emotional values. He's a bit cold, he's a bit naive with respect to that aspect of humanity. (In much the same way, he's very much like Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory. Sheldon is clueless when it comes to many social cues. He doesn't know when to hug someone, when to offer a compliment, or when to smile. He's just like a robot with incredibly intelligent mind who doesn't get basic interpersonal habits and gestures (and to be honest, neither do I most of the time). And guess what? Sheldon is almost universally regarded as an INTJ (a quintessential one, at that). So you see, he and Spock share many characteristics. Spock is so driven by logic and rational analysis throughout the movies that he cannot easily understand the gut instincts and values of others humans. Kirk has to constantly try to drill some of this into his head. It's like trying to get an android to understand why killing humans is wrong (and if you want to know what that's like, watch the attached clip). To put things bluntly, I don't think Spock would understand why abortion is wrong. The character - based on the way he come across in the movie - would likely want to know 'why?'. And I highly doubt such a rational individual would be satisfied by the real impulses that drive people to feel such things are wrong. It's just nonrational values.
When I use a grounded theory approach drawing on and coding participant-observation and other qualitative data to map a complex organizational culture, I am not mapping human emotions. I am mapping shared values that have systematic and complex relationships as part of a whole.
Mhm. Of course. As I said, if I value logic over emotion. Yet I wasn't speaking of values in terms of what people think important. I was speaking of values in terms of ethical ideals that are largely nonrational. To me, these are largely emotional, and so I'd rather just use emotion and value interchangeably when speaking of feelers.
It may be that human value systems can appeal to human emotion. It seems to me that human value systems are often transmitted via emotion or something like that, and this may be the source of your confusion re: the difference between the two (I would need to think about that relationship). But the value systems themselves aren't emotion.
I think values (as ethical ideals) are emotional at root.
So from my vantage point, the Vulcan valuation of logic is such a value system as well. If I may geek all the way out here (oh, why not), I read some novels putting forward a back story to the Vulcan-Romulan split and to my eyes as someone who looks at collective value systems, the split was based on two different sentient-being ("human") value systems.
No. Vulcan valuation of logic is simply a value in the sense of what some people find important. It is not a value in the sense of an ethical ideal (which is the sense of 'value' which applies to feeler types). Think about it. Analytically speaking, it makes no sense to speak of thinkers and feelers if all people are essentially prone to certain values. They say feelers are largely concerned with values while thinkers are concerned with logical reasoning. If logic itself is a type of value, then what's the difference between thinkers and feelers? Feelers are concerned with values, but thinkers also have values? No. Feelers are concerned with values (as ethical ideals) while thinkers simply value logic. Again, this is to use the word 'value' in two distinct senses. It's an equivocation of some sort.
Considering the rest is based on this conceptual error, I will leave my response at this.
I'm curious as to the reasoning behind conflating emotions with values. It doesn't make sense to me to equate the two, so I'm curious about your thinking here.
Yeah, what you explained is obvious. Emotions aren't literally the same as values (and I'm glad you understood what is meant by 'values'). You did a great job explaining what values are. However, I do not think it is correct to say that science as an enterprise of investigation can be considered a "value system." The simple reason is that science doesn't develop any 'prescriptive' ideals (i.e. ones by which we can live our lives). Science doesn't come with any rules or regulations concerning behavior and decision-making. In essence, science isn't a system of ethics. It's outside the scope of ethics. It's simply a system of investigation and exploration. Of learning and knowledge-seeking.
Values as ethical ideals (and rules for decision-making) tend largely to stem from what people happen to simply feel to be the right or wrong thing to do. Certainly, however, there are ethical rules that are largely logical (e.g. Kant's categorical imperative, utilitarianism, and social contractarianism). These are ethical systems that are largely based on reason. But we aren't talking about rational ethical systems; we are talking about general values. And general values (as they descriptively occur in societies) tend to base on nonrational impulses people have about what is okay or not okay in life.
For example, my older sister told me about a wife and husband. The husband cheated on his second wife (and his first wife was a famous musician who died years ago). The husband had private letters from the first wife that he held dearly. The second wife out of frustration stole the letters and refused to admit that she took them (and did not want to give them back) sort of as a punishment to the husband for his cheating.
To my sister and her husband (both feelers), it was absolutely abominable that the second wife did this. To them, "sentimental belongings are not replaceable; they're so sacred and cherished that no amount of wrongdoing could ever justify their destruction of theft." To me, this type of conclusion is the result of values. These two people simply feel that what the second wife did was wrong. Yet they could offer no strong reasons as to why anyone should think this. They simply felt it. To me, the husband's cheating somewhat justifies (or at least makes more understandable) the fact that the second wife took his sentimental belongings, because the second wife's personal integrity and sense of self-respect was probably violated by the husband's betrayal. To me, this type of retribution can be justified if the wrongdoer's actions are so heinous. Thus, I did not rule out the possibility that the second wife's actions may very well have been justified. She got the only justice she could get from a very wealthy and well-connected husband who took everything from her during the divorce.
To me, this is a great example of the difference between logical reasoning (in particular, my penchant for philosophical reasoning) and simple human values. So yeah, I'm of the mindset that values are largely emotional in nature. In all my experience with feelers and their values, I've yet to come across one whose values actually stood the test of reason. Usually, they make no sense and the person is often immune to reason. No amount of logic or scrutiny is enough to get them to realize the error of holding to certain values. Yet they are too stubborn to resist and do so anyway.
So agree to disagree. But either way, I am not saying that emotions = values. I was simply saying that values are largely emotional in nature, so much so that I'd rather simply talk about emotions when talking about the difference between feelers and thinkers. When it comes to feelers, surely there's values, but there's mostly emotions. Hopefully that clears things up.