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Ok,I find it interesting that the ENFP's have a list of their names and their enneagram. I'm curious of the ENTJ's how we stack up... Thanks ENFP's for letting me borrow your idea, I'll return it when I'm done ;)

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What is stating our names going to accomplish? Unless you're claiming that 2eng2009 is your actual name, in which case I am honored to have met a cyborg.

This thread already exists excluding minor differences in detail: http://personalitycafe.com/entj-forum-executives/41343-entjs-who-have-done-enneagram.html
Starting with your USER name (didn't think I had to specify since,I assume none of us go by our real names) accomplishes the main thing I'm interested in... That being who (on this forum) shares the same enneagram, this might help people to relate to one another better.

And yes, while the link you provided is similar, it's not what I am looking for. I like the way the list is assembled in the ENFP forum, it's clean and easy to read quickly. The link that you provided would require too much work imo.
 

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Starting with your USER name (didn't think I had to specify since,I assume none of us go by our real names) accomplishes the main thing I'm interested in... That being who (on this forum) shares the same enneagram, this might help people to relate to one another better.

And yes, while the link you provided is similar, it's not what I am looking for. I like the way the list is assembled in the ENFP forum, it's clean and easy to read quickly. The link that you provided would require too much work imo.
Oh I see, you're going to assemble a list. Not a bad idea. Yeah, I understood username I was yanking your chain (clearly my real name isn't AbioticPrime, as I listed).
 

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You are a Type 3 with a 2 wing: "The Charmer"
Your tritype is 3w2, 6w5, 8w9.

OFFS, I give in with this enneagram sh**
In a sense it's true, it just feels like enneagrams can change based on the stage in the life and the decisions you make about yourself.
 

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You are a Type 3 with a 2 wing: "The Charmer"
Your tritype is 3w2, 6w5, 8w9.

OFFS, I give in with this enneagram sh**
In a sense it's true, it just feels like enneagrams can change based on the stage in the life and the decisions you make about yourself.
Yeah, I was having a discussion with a friend about this the other day. We [all enneagram doubters] either don't understand it well enough or it truly is BS. I can closely identify with over half of them, similar to zodiac symbols. I recall reading type 8 -- oh, yeah that's the one that I am. Then I read type 3 -- no wait, this is me. Etc.
 

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You are a Type 3 with a 2 wing: "The Charmer"
Your tritype is 3w2, 6w5, 8w9.

OFFS, I give in with this enneagram sh**
In a sense it's true, it just feels like enneagrams can change based on the stage in the life and the decisions you make about yourself.
This was the impression I had as well, until @n2freedom set it straight for me.

ETA: I'm not sure how you arrived at this tri-type, but if it was from a test I wouldn't put too much faith into it. If you want good results you can go to the main page of perc and have people help you based on questions you answer. Along with this you need to do some good ole fashioned reading and work about the different enneagrams to see what you fit into "best".
 

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2eng2009 3w2 1w2 6w7 so/sx
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Ok, I found it: Enneagram Type 3 - The Achiever


"Threes can sometimes mistype themselves when they mistake the more superficial features of their personalities as indicators of their type. So, for instance, an intellectual Three might mistype as a Five; a Three who is devoted to her role as mother might think she is a Two; a Three in a leadership position might mistype as an Eight and so on. Regardless of the manifestation however, the core of the type Three fixation is the deep need for external validation."


Edit: This source says they can sometimes mistype, but I know I read somewhere that 3 and 9 (I think?) are commonly mistyped.
 

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Yeah, I was having a discussion with a friend about this the other day. We [all enneagram doubters] either don't understand it well enough or it truly is BS. I can closely identify with over half of them, similar to zodiac symbols. I recall reading type 8 -- oh, yeah that's the one that I am. Then I read type 3 -- no wait, this is me. Etc.
@Thomas60 ... Enneagram is not about behaviors. I wouldn't get caught up into the descriptions. As different types can share similar behaviors, it IS the motivations, desires, and fears where the distinct differences lie. Enneagram is nothing like zodiac ... it really takes time and an investment to understand the Enneagram. A casual glance won't give you a clear understanding of how it works or the insights that it can offer.
 

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Ok, I found it: Enneagram Type 3 - The Achiever


"Threes can sometimes mistype themselves when they mistake the more superficial features of their personalities as indicators of their type. So, for instance, an intellectual Three might mistype as a Five; a Three who is devoted to her role as mother might think she is a Two; a Three in a leadership position might mistype as an Eight and so on. Regardless of the manifestation however, the core of the type Three fixation is the deep need for external validation."
It's rooted in issues of shame and the struggle to compensate for it. According to R&H, "the heart triad (enneatypes 2,3, and 4) in general are concerned with self-image (attachment to the false or assumed self of personality). They believe that the stories about themselves and their assumed qualities are their actual identity. Underneath their ego defenses these types carry a great deal of shame."

The heart triad is concerned with love of false self & self-image, have issues with Identity and Hostility, seeks attention, and have an underlying feeling of shame. So, yes I can see how threes can inadvertently mistype as another enneatype.
 

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Ok, I found it: Enneagram Type 3 - The Achiever


"Threes can sometimes mistype themselves when they mistake the more superficial features of their personalities as indicators of their type. So, for instance, an intellectual Three might mistype as a Five; a Three who is devoted to her role as mother might think she is a Two; a Three in a leadership position might mistype as an Eight and so on. Regardless of the manifestation however, the core of the type Three fixation is the deep need for external validation."
@Thomas60 ... Enneagram is not about behaviors. I wouldn't get caught up into the descriptions. As different types can share simiarl behaviors, it IS the motivations, desires, and fears where the distinct differences lies. Enneagram is nothing like zodiac ... it really takes time and an investment to understand the Enneagram. A casual glance won't give you a clear understanding of how it works or the insights that it can offer.
Both extremely helpful. Thank you, will look into it!
 

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It's rooted in issues of shame and the struggle to compensate for it. According to R&H, "the heart triad (enneatypes 2,3, and 4) in general are concerned with self-image (attachment to the false or assumed self of personality). They believe that the stories about themselves and their assumed qualities are their actual identity. Underneath their ego defenses these types carry a great deal of shame."

The heart triad is concerned with love of false self & self-image, have issues with Identity and Hostility, seeks attention, and have an underlying feeling of shame. So, yes I can see how threes can inadvertently mistype as another enneatype.
I was thinking that because they like the external validation via "charming", they learn a great deal about people. For instance, a 3 might charm me differently than their boss, and charm a friend differently than a client, etc. etc. each person being different and requiring different charms. Perhaps they pick up on 7 traits when interacting with a 7, 5 traits when interacting with a 5, and so on?
 

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First I have to be aware of our motivations. A spook might argue I decided I need 'external validation' when I failed to live up to expectations of myself and others. Enneagram is likely going to argue I needed external validation all along, but got caught up in my own cool-ade and rejected it.

Either way, I need help with it.
 
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It's rooted in issues of shame and the struggle to compensate for it. According to R&H, "the heart triad (enneatypes 2,3, and 4) in general are concerned with self-image (attachment to the false or assumed self of personality). They believe that the stories about themselves and their assumed qualities are their actual identity. Underneath their ego defenses these types carry a great deal of shame."

The heart triad is concerned with love of false self & self-image, have issues with Identity and Hostility, seeks attention, and have an underlying feeling of shame. So, yes I can see how threes can inadvertently mistype as another enneatype.
I see a lot of possible interplay between what you described and true narcissistic tendencies.

I'm not sure if you've read much Carl Rogers but this is certainly related to his theories on incongruence. He explains that those who didn't receive enough unconditional care/love in their younger years tend to develop higher incongruence between the true self and the ideal self to try to compensate for feelings of inadequacy and incompetence. People with higher incongruence also tend to invest a lot of stock in a false self-image which in turn ends up making them particularly defensive and unhappy.

I'm starting to wonder if this theory inspired some parts of Enneagram theory, and also perhaps stemmed from the understanding of narcissistic personality disorder (incongruence, NPD, and your type 3 description have very similar underlying points).

This also brings into question if enneagram type is developed more so from nature or nurture. I have too many questions, I should research first.
 
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