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Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe

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There is no place for God in theories on the creation of the Universe, Professor Stephen Hawking has said.

He had previously argued belief in a creator was not incompatible with science but in a new book, he concludes the Big Bang was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics.

The Grand Design, part serialised in the Times, says there is no need to invoke God to set the Universe going.

"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something," he concluded.

'Planetary conditions'

In his new book, an extract of which appears in the Times, Britain's most famous physicist sets out to contest Sir Isaac Newton's belief that the universe must have been designed by God as it could not have sprung out of chaos.

Citing the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting a star other than our Sun, he said: "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions - the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass - far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings."

He adds: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.

"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.

"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

The book was co-written by US physicist Leonard Mlodinow and is published on 9 September.

In his 1988 bestseller, A Brief History of Time, Prof Hawking appeared to accept the role of God in the creation of the Universe.

"If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we should know the mind of God," he said.
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*Walks out, promptly avoiding a shitstorm*
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Best thing you have ever posted. :proud:
Don't think I won't stir up a shitstorm.
I usually avoid those kinds of shitstorms since it's me personal belief that God can neither be proven, nor disproven.

Saying "There's no need for God in creation" is different from "There is no God."
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*Turns everyone's attention towards Neo-Platonism*


"If anything, WE ARE not fit to debate on this further because of my hard logic and your wish-washy stance backed up with subjectivity. Thus, any discussion between us would be unwise to continue."

That's actually a very good choice- Considering the obvious differences.
Something that should be recognized and emphasized is that your opinion is not that of objectivity(No, I'm not saying you claimed to be objective- I'm just making an emphasis hurr). It's still based within a subjective perceptive that, I would hope, is admittedly and inherently lacking information or inconsistent in its information(Such is everyone's perspective).

Either way, what it comes down to is personal belief.

I honestly believe there is Nothing.
There is Oneness.
There is form to underlying principles of this Oneness- IE: Archetypes and Deities.
And I believe everything and everyone is a representation, refraction and reflection of not only the Oneness- But also the Archetypes/Deities associated with schism'd aspects of said Oneness.

The point being that we're all God experiencing itself, subjectively.

My two cents.
(I realize Nothing and Oneness existing in tandem seems like a paradox- But... Well... There are some things that I really don't feel I have to explain or justify within my personal beliefs.)
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I can't help it. :laughing:
But I have to admit - Neoplatonism is pretty cool, whether it's true or not.
It's cool dude.
I just use it as a basis to explain Deities- I don't believe the Deities/Archetypes truly... Exist though. It's just my attempt at rationalizing the unknown.

The only thing I truly stress/believe is Oneness. :]
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