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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Hey all,

Ive been thinking about how, in the enneagram, as individuals become integrated, they start to become more universal - in the sense that they often exhibit traits of the eight other e types. So, it seems to me that a highly integrated nine might not seem as obviously "nine-ish" at first glance. Unlike for instance, an average or unhealthy nine who might be mellow and doormat-ish.

So, i was wondering if there are any successful people you know of (famous or not) who you know or suspect to be nines, who are very non stereotypical?? I guess i mean the opposite of Gandhi - often used as the example of an integrated nine, but who would be hard to type as anything else...

Im thinking, for example, are there any successful nines in cutthroat cultures like pro sports or hollywood? Perhaps people with a lot of ambition or charm? People who are very individualistic and brashly unique?

Examples from anywhere would be awesome, i feel like the more varied the more interesting they might be to consider~

MOTM Feb 2012
ISTJ 9w1
7,167 Posts
You want a list of supposedly famous 9s? Sure an integrated/healthy 9 can act more like a 3 and be a productive member of society.

Dean Martin
George W. Bush
Liv Tyler
Ansel Adams
Ronald Reagan
Dwight Eisenhower
Gerald Ford
Kevin Costner
Keanu Reeves
Gary Cooper
Woody Harrelson
Ingrid Bergman
Geena Davis
Sophia Loren
Ringo Starr
Whoopi Goldberg
Janet Jackson
Bing Crosby
Perry Como
Walter Cronkite
Hugh Downs
Lady Bird Johnson
Marc Chagall
Abraham Lincoln
Queen Elizabeth II
Rosalynn Carter
Cyrus Vance
Henry Fonda
Jimmy Stewart
Garrison Keillor
Princess Grace of Monaco
Rose Kennedy
Joseph Campbell
Carl Jung
George Lucas
Jim Henson
Walt Disney
Normal Rockwell
Dame Joan Sutherland
Ralph Waldo Emerson

And said:

9w8 so/sp Gerald Ford: Gerald Ford In His Own Words (CBSNews) - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Rick Perry: Rick Perry Forgets His Own Plan (GOP Debate) - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Dan Quayle:
9w8 so/sp Wesley Clark: Wes Clark on "Morning Joe" takes on McCain and defends Obama - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Maxine Waters: We The People - Maxine Waters - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Dwight Eisenhower: President Eisenhower Speaks Out Against Communism Newsreel and Stock Footage - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Foster Friess: Foster Friess on the power of faith in American life -- Freeland File - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Randy Edsall: Coaches Corner - Randy Edsall - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Karl Malden: Karl Malden Talks About The Young Kirk Douglas - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Joe Dimaggio: The Nature of Time by Landmark Forum leader Joe DiMaggio - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Park Dietz: At the movies with Jeffrey Dahmer - YouTube
9w8 so/sp Whoopie Goldberg: CNN Official Interview: Whoopi Goldberg 'I wasn't in love with husbands' - YouTube

9w8 so/sx Brett Cullen: Brett Cullen - "Ben" Crooked Lane - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Kris Kristofferson: Kris Kristofferson interview on New Zealand television - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Lloyd Bridges: Lloyd Bridges - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Barbara Ewing: Interview with Author Barbara Ewing - Tim Healy - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Carl Rogers: Carl Rogers - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Conrad Bain: Actor Conrad Bain Talks About TFT and Grief - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Ronald Reagan: Gov Ronald Reagan Campaign Interview 1980 NH Primary - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Jack Palance: Jack Palance Meets With Reporter Rick Griffith To Discuss The Actor's Book - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Martin Sheen: Martin Sheen lashes out against Bush administration - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Smoky Robinson: Smokey Robinson interview on Motown - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Rip Torn:
9w8 so/sx David Hasselhoff: T4: David Hasselhoff Interview - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Colleen Saidman Yee:
9w8 so/sx Kimberly Caldwell: Kimberly Caldwell Talks Debut CD with My FOX Houston - YouTube
9w8 so/sx A.J. Hawk: A.J. Hawk Spread-the-Word Interview - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Evander Holyfield: Evander Holyfield On Tyson & Tarver vs Woods - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Josh Brolin: Josh Brolin "Jonah Hex" Interview! I Love This One! - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Joe Frazier: Joe Frazier talks about his cut lip & George Foreman - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Anthony Adams: Chicago Bear Anthony Adams on Facing Brian Griese and the Buccaneers - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Marcel Dareaus: Marcell Dareus on NFL Network - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Emmit Smith: Emmitt Smith Interview Part 2 - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Daniel Thomas: Kansas State RB Daniel Thomas talks about coach Bill Snyder's crazy texting habits - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Bill Richardson: Richardson: PMG Exclusive interview in Manchester - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Jerry Krause: Jerry Krause 1988 - YouTube
9w8 so/sx John Candy: John Candy - CityLights interview with John Candy part 2 - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Woody Harrelson: EXCLUSIVE-Woody Harrelson Interview for "Raw for 30 Days" - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Kevin Costner: Kevin Costner on The Bodyguard - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Jennifer Connelly: Jennifer Connelly interview for Blood Diamond - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Joan Allen: Joan Allen interview for The Bourne Ultimatum - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Rajon Rondo: Rajon Rondo Interview - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Rebecca Jarvis: Financial Aid 101 - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Jane Fleming: YDA on Fox's "Studio B with Shepard Smith" about Hastert - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Sandra Bullock:
9w8 so/sx Dayana Mendoza: Dayana Mendoza Miss Venezuela Universe Interview - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Ana Ivanovic: Ana Ivanovic interview - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Nancy Kerrigan: Post-Competition Interview with Nancy Kerrigan (USA) - 1994 Lillehammer, Figure Skating - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Terry Farrell: Terry Farrell interviewed on Ch. 13 News 11/25/1993 - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Darius Miles: Darius Miles Interview - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Trace Adkins: Trace Adkins shares his economic plan with Kix Brooks - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Eddie Degarmo: Eddie DeGarmo - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Bill Pullman: Interview with Bill Pullman - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Dean Martin:
9w8 so/sx Cassandra Wilson: Cassandra Wilson Grammy Awards Interview - YouTube
9w8 so/sx Matthew McConaughey: Matthew McConaughey interview for Failure to Launch - YouTube

9w8 sp/so Fabio Capello: Exclusive Interview: Fabio Capello post Slovakia - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Buddy Ryan: Coach Buddy Ryan Talks About What Made the '85 Bears So Special - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Bob Bremer: Bruce Lee's "Dragon" story - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Pete Rose: Pete Rose Interview Part 2 - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Frank Gifford: Frank Gifford Interview - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Jim Brown: Jim Brown Interview Part 1 - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Richard Mack: Oath Keeper Sheriff Richard Mack - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Ernest Borgnine: Ernest Borgnine discusses Johnny Carson - EMMYTVLEGENDS.ORG - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Nolan Ryan: Nolan Ryan Interview - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Herman Nitsch: Abgeklopft Hermann Nitsch - YouTube
9w8 sp/so John Wayne Gacy: John Wayne Gacy Rope Trick - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Arn Anderson: Arn Anderson - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Dennis Franz:
9w8 sp/so PZ Myers: PZ Myers promotes Atheist Ireland during visit to Dublin - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Warren Buffett: Charlie Rose - Warren Buffett - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Michael Flaherty: Michael - clinical psychologist - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Rod Thorn: Rod Thorn, Director of Communications, PepsiCo visits Tuck School - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Dennis Rader: Exclusive interview with BTK killer - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Sripad Aindra Dasa Babaji: Interview with Sripad Aindra Dasa Babaji on harinama-sankirtana *part 1* - YouTube
9w8 sp/so Chuck Lidell: Chuck Liddell UK Interview Full - YouTube
9w8 sp/so T.J. Leyden: Skinhead David Lynch of Geraldo nose broken fame now executed by a Neo Nazi Full Version - YouTube (ends at 3:00)

9w8 sp/sx Ringo Starr: Ringo Starr @ Rachael Ray (1 of 3) - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Little John: LIL JON on Rapper TI Going to JAIL at TAO New York 10th Anniversary Party - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Slash: Slash interview / special 1993 [3/4] - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Snoop Dogg: Snoop Dogg interview from the 90's Part 1 - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Karen Noyes: Fatal Attractions: Feeding Bears by Hand - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Tom Dwan: Tom Dwan Interview - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Derrick Rose: Derrick Rose interview with Gowhere Hip Hop - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx B-real: Cypress Hill interview in Australia at Good Vibrations 08 - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Garrett Wolfe: A Frustrating State: Garrett Wolfe on Injury - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Kevin Durant: Kevin Durant Bloopers - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Mary Hill: Mary Hill Interview (April 15, 2011) - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Kevin Sumlin: Coach Kevin Sumlin, Houston Cougars - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Gilbert Arenas: Gilbert Arenas First Interview with the Orlando Magic 12-20-2010 - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Matt Forte: Chicago Bears' Running Back Matt Forte Previews Week 3 Against Tampa Bay - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Johnny Cueto: Jonny Cueto - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Jeff Niemann: Rays Niemann on impressive outing - YouTube
9w8 sp/sx Kyle Whittingham: Kyle Whittingham talks Utes #24 in opening coaches poll - YouTube

9w8 sx/so Lauryn Hill: Lauryn Hill interview - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Dave Matthews: Dave Matthews talks about his career - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Billy Blanks: Billy Blanks Interview - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Noel Gallagher: The Brit Awards - Noel Gallagher interview - BBC America - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Michael Vick: Exclusive Interview with Michael Vick - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Sophia Laren: Sophia Loren interview with Jimmy Carter - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Daniella Mercury: Daniela Mercury no programa Marília Gabriela parte IV - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Nastazia Mitropoulou: Nastazia Mitropoulou sto OLA - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Jayceon Taylor: The Game Interview On Lopez Tonight 5/23/2011 - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Rebecca Romijn-Stamos: Rebecca Romijn Stamos - November 1999 (L.A. Show) - YouTube
9w8 sx/so Serena Williams: Serena Williams Interview - YouTube

9w8 sx/sp Pele: Pele on Cristiano Ronaldo - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Leo Gaje: Pekiti-Tirsia Kali - Key Training Principles - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Billy Bob Thornton: The Late Late Show - "Bill Bob Thornton", 6.19 (2008) - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Cesar Milan: Pet Talk 360 - Cesar Millan interview 2011 - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Peter Falk: Peter Falk on The Larry Sanders Show - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Harvey Keitel: Harvey Keitel - Inside The Actors' Studio (Part 4 of 5) - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Kate Mulgrew: BBC2 Interview: Kate Mulgrew - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Ann-Margaret: Ann Margret talks about Elvis - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Ray Winstone: Ray Winstone talks boxing and acting - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Anna Nicole Smith: Anna Nicole Smith - interview on ET - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Jerry Garcia: Jerry Garcia Art Interview 1994 - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Grandma Mieska: Thoughts and Advice from a 95 year old - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Sally Kirkland: Sally Kirkland Oscar Nominee attends 2009 MMPA Diversity Awards - YouTube
9w8 sx/sp Gena Rowlands: Gena Rowlands - Signing Autographs at My Sister's Keeper Premiere in NYC - YouTube


9w1 so/sp Barack Obama: Barack Obama on an early leadership crisis - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Alan Colmes: Whoa!... O'Reilly Screams at Alan Colmes for Defending Pro-Islamist Aljazeera - YouTube
9w1 so/sp David Price: Video: Price on making All-Star team - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Bruce Babbitt: 100v100d: Bruce Babbitt on the moral issue - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Richard Crenna: Richard Crenna talks to the McCain Brothers - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Paul Allen: Artist Management and Music Management - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Walter Ehlers: MOH recipient Walter D. Ehlers - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Bert Peterson: Doctor speaks re: the Landmark Forum and Landmark Education - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Freeman Dyson: Freeman Dyson on Global Warming 2of2 Stratospheric Cooling - YouTube
9w1 so/sp John Thune: Senator John Thune Discusses Federal Spending, Elena Kagan, and the new START treaty - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Colin Hansen: Finance Minister Colin Hansen explains HST - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Roger Corman: Interview with Roger Corman about the movie Rock 'n' Roll High School (1979) - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Loni Anderson: Unscripted: Loni Anderson - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Isabel Allende: Isabel Allende Interview (Artist Toolbox) - BEHIND THE SCENES - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Tyler Hendricks: Is Rev. Dr. Sun Myung Moon the Second Coming of Christ? Pt 1 - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Kevin Spacey: Kevin Spacey interview - Parkinson - BBC - YouTube
9w1 so/sp Mark Zuckerberg: Facebook Founder Mark Zuckerberg Interview - YouTube

9w1 so/sx Jerry Seinfeld: seinfeld dissing blackberry and iphones - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Eric Seidel:
9w1 so/sx Chris Martin: Coldplay Exclusive - Interview with Chris Martin - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Zach Braff: Zach Braff on his coming-of-age classic "Garden State" - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Bob Saget:
9w1 so/sx Brian Greene: Brian Greene on David Letterman - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Brian Rast: Brian Rast - $50K Players Championship Winner Interview - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Annette Benning: Interview with Annette Bening for The Kids Are All Right - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Jennifer Leigh: Jennifer Jason Leigh interview on the Late Show (1994) - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Ron Jacobson: California Life with Heather Dawson - Ron Jacobson's Hollywood - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Thierry Henry: Thierry Henry Confesses All - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Andrew Romano: 'Really Reach Out to the Other Side' - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Vanessa Hudgens: Vanessa Hudgens on "The Insider" 7-1-08 - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Jandi Linn: Jandi Lin - Behind the Scenes 2 - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Hayden Panettiere: Hayden Panettiere interview - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Tim Robbins: Jim Ferguson Classic Interview with Tim Robbins for Shawshank Redemption - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Ashley Judd:
9w1 so/sx Edward Norton: The Illusionist Edward Norton interview - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Madeleine Martin: Adult Mayhem: Madeleine Martin - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Jessica Alba: Jessica Alba Interview - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Sarah Wayne Callies: Prison Break: Sarah Wayne Callies - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Amber Tamblyn: Amber Tamblyn interview on 'LwR&K' (11-25-2003) - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Ken Jeong: Ken Jeong 'The Hangover Part 2' Interview - YouTube
9w1 so/sx Susan Cain: Faking it: How introverts succeed - YouTube

9w1 sp/so Sir Terence Conran: London Design Festival: Terence Conran - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Leo Kottke: Leo Kottke - Interview - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Kevin Keller: Professor Kevin Lane Keller on brand value and marketing - YouTube
9w1 sp/so JK Rowling: Jonathan Ross Interviews J. K. Rowling part 2 - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Roger Hodgson: Exclusive Roger Hodgson Interview - Creating the Classics - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Susan Boyle: Susan Boyle from Britain's Got Talent first on camera interview - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Julia Child: 1995 Clip: Julia Child on McDonald's French Fries - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Chris Burke: Chris Burke interview with Angels on Stage - DeAnna Pursai - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Ladanian Tomlinson: NFL: LaDainian Tomlinson interview - YouTube
9w1 sp/so James Rosen: James Rosen Live Values Voter Report Interrupted! - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Ray Romano: Ray Romano Interview - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Roy Rogers: Roy Rogers Interview part 2 - LUSS TV - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Tim Dry: Tim Dry of Return of the Jedi Days of the Dead Interview - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Abraham Lincoln: Abraham Lincoln - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Barry Greenstein: Barry Greenstein - Fights Only At The Table - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Dennis Kucinich:
9w1 sp/so Herbie Di Fonzo: Hofstra Law Professor J. Herbie DiFonzo examines the legal conflicts over medical marijuana. - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Michael Moore: Michael Moore interview for Capitalism: A Love Story - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Connie Chung: CBS Evening News - Dan Rather - Connie Chung - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Dianne Wiest: Dianne Wiest in Road to Avonlea - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Laura Bush: Laura Bush Talks about Mitt Romney on Larry King Live - YouTube
9w1 sp/so Geraldine Hughes: Interview with actress Geraldine Hughes on Integrated Education - YouTube

9w1 sp/sx Willie Nelson: Willie Nelson ~Rare 1982 Barbara Walters Interview~ Pt.2 - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Eric Clapton: Eric Clapton interview 1967 - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx David Gilmour: David Gilmour Interview with Jools 23/09/2008 - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Jamie Hince: The Kills interview - Alison Mosshart and Jamie Hince (part 4) - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Joe Perry: Joe Perry A&E Interview (clip) - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx William Fitzsimmons: William Fitzsimmons interview (part 1) - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Joseph Rael: Joseph Rael: Being and Vibration (excerpt) -- A Thinking Allowed DVD w/ Jeffrey Mishlove - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Harry Morgan: Harry Morgan on the Legacy of M.A.S.H. - EMMYTVLEGENDS - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx George Lucas: George Lucas/Leonard Maltin Interview Part 3 - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Carter King: Carter King - Physical Tells - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Joe Pawelek: Joe Pawelek - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Carol Ann duffy: Carol Ann Duffy: 'A celebration of great women poets' - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Nadav Agozi: Mind Olympics Chief Judge on Australia - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Kiki Smith: Kiki Smith speaks about her prints - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Evanna Lynch: Evanna Lynch interview - OotP behind the scenes - YouTube
9w1 sp/sx Joanna Newsom: Joanna Newsom - YouTube

9w1 sx/so Laura Marling: Rip It Up TV interviews Laura Marling - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Andie macdowell: Andie MacDowell's Dream - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Farah Fawcett: Farrah Fawcett BBC BREAKFAST TIME 'EXTREMITIES' interview - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Miriam Grossman: Modest Proposals (Part 2 -- Dr. Miriam Grossman) - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Peter Frampton: Peter Frampton "interview" Talk Stoop - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Jane Fritz: On the Ground Interview with Jane Fritz - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Daryl Hanna: Daryl Hannah Interviewed at the California Green Communities Challenge By Ken Spector - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Sonia Choquette: Sonia Choquette: TIPS ON REMEMBERING PAST LIVES!!!! - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Shelley Fabares: Shelley Fabares' Interview - YouTube
9w1 sx/so Kate Capshaw: Kate Capshaw - Entertainment Tonight June 1984 - YouTube

9w1 sx/sp Bjork: Bjork - Charlie Rose Interview - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Kaisa Jouhki: Kaisa from Battlelore - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Meg White: Meg - MTV - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Laura Marling: (Pt 1A) Laura Marling - on influences and recording - The Music Show, ABC Radio National - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Renee Zelwegger: Renée Zellweger Interview Cinderella man - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Janet Jackson: Brand NEW Janet Jackson interview 2011. - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Imaad Wasif: Imaad Wasif "The Shift" (INTERVIEW) - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Kate Bush:
9w1 sx/sp Michelle Monaghan: 'Source Code' Michelle Monaghan Interview - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Sia Furler: Sia interview (part 1) - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Martha Argerich: Martha Argerich/Charles Groves interview snippet - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Annette Funnicello: Mickey Mouse Club: "The Annette Sound" - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Grace Kelly: The last interview with Grace Kelly - on ABC's 20/20 (Part 2 of 6) - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Audrey Hepburn: Audrey Hepburn Interview - Part 2 - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp CG Jung: Carl Jung speaks about Death - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Ram Dass: Ram Dass on Experience - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Joseph Campbell: Joseph Campbell--Mythology of the Trickster - YouTube
9w1 sx/sp Jimmy Stewart: Parkinson interviews Jimmy Stewart - Part1 - YouTube

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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
@IBChillin89 Im not sure if you think thats what im suggesting, because im not. I honestly dont know enough about perC members to ask them specifically or i would...
@MBTI Enthusiast Thanks, that is honestly really helpful. To be honest sometimes i feel like type nine is often written about in not the most enthusiastic tone in enneagram descriptions. Its inspiring to see that we can excel like other types in just being successful in general! It would be kind of awesome if one of those threads your borrowed from was stickied. :) I feel like that kind of resource is good as a reference to understanding ones type.

710 Posts
Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Oh sorry, i kinda thought you were trolling me. In all honestly ive been doing a lot of gaming lately so my troll radar is a little bit over-active right now... o_O Sorry man, ill be more careful in the future!

MOTM Jan 2014
11,128 Posts
No . Bjork is not a 9 - I've met her in person, and she was rude, cold and unfriendly to everyone, though her husband Matthew Barney was outgoing and friendly. She was in no way trying to keep peace or responding to others - she wanted to be left the hell alone. I didnt try to approach but I watched others do this in a small, run-down local venue where her son was playing a show with bands I know well. Also my close friends have done a video for her and said she was the most difficult customer they've had. She is impossible to work with, throws tantrums, whines, causes problems at every turn. It's like she's *looking* for problems & fight & she's outwardly disagreeable. This sharp-tongued, hard-edged porcupine is not a core 9 - don't be fooled by the cutesy act. If you don't believe me, listen to her lyrics on her first few albums. ("Violently happy?") I could buy 4w5 or 5w4 with a 9 fix.

Some of her lyrics seem very 9, but if you look under the surface there's more. As a core 8 who writes lyrics I can tell you that if someone typed me based on that, they'd come up with 4w3 core, because that's where I expose my vulnerability which I never do in another context, and that's my heart-fix. But if you look deeper into the lyrics you still see the 8 themes shining through, underlying. So here:

"Play Dead"

darling stop confusing me
with your wishful thinking
hopeful enbraces
don't you understand?
i have to go through this
i belong to here where
no-one cares and no-one loves
no light no air to live in

a place called hate
the city of fear

===================> doesn't sound like 9 optimism

i play dead
it stops the hurting
i play dead
and hurting stops

========> 9ish sentiment, suggests 9 somewhere in her tritype, possibly. Could also be 5ish, depending on the reason & method. On the outside, a 9 looks like they're "playing dead" in the middle of a conflict, but how many 9s actually do this on purpose?

it's sometimes just like sleeping
curling up inside my private tortures
i nestle into pain
hug suffering
caress every ache

======================> NESTLE INTO PAIN, hug suffering, curl up inside your private tortures, caress every ache - that's more 4ish; shame - the pain belongs to me alone

i play dead
it stops the hurting

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I don't know if it is in the list, but Taylor Hanson, I reckon he is a ENFP 9w1, and I base this on both a documentary I watched about Hanson, and the fact that some of the Hanson lyrics are very 9ish, so one of them is probably a 9 and Taylor is the most 9ish of the 3 of them.

MOTM Jan 2014
11,128 Posts
OMG I'm so embarrassed this old thread was resurrected.

Now that I know more about enneagram I will state that Bjork is a 9w1 Sx/Sp. In my opinion. With a 5w4 fix. I actually think her heart fix is 2.

OOps. *hides*

As a core 8 who writes lyrics I can tell you that if someone typed me based on that, they'd come up with 4w3 core,


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It's kind of amazing/interesting/telling/whatever that so many Presidents of the United States, regardless of political leanings, have been 9s. You can see it in both their positives and negatives as leaders, too! (Though maybe some of Clinton's more prominent vices are less overtly 9ish than, say, Obama's more prominent vices. Um, Obama's REAL vices, not the ones Fox News says he has).

That said, I personally do not want to be President of the United States. Just saying. Nope. Do NOT want that job, at all.

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It's kind of amazing/interesting/telling/whatever that so many Presidents of the United States, regardless of political leanings, have been 9s. You can see it in both their positives and negatives as leaders, too! (Though maybe some of Clinton's more prominent vices are less overtly 9ish than, say, Obama's more prominent vices. Um, Obama's REAL vices, not the ones Fox News says he has).

That said, I personally do not want to be President of the United States. Just saying. Nope. Do NOT want that job, at all.

Personally said, i would like to be White House Chief of Staff. Until i burn out after like 5 minutes :D

But Politics is full of Nines!!! At least in democracies...Because in the end you have to win a majority and even when you are a dashing, aggressive indidvidual, you will make more enemies than friends and lose majorities. There are some people who are so impressive that they win a majority (kennedy) or force a majority (nixon) but in the end, the winner is the last man standing after the many different factions sort themselves out. In Germany our Chancellors are 9es (Kiesinger, Kohl and probably Merkel) or 8 (Schroeder, Schmidt) or something i'm not sure of (Erhard/Adenauer, i guess 7 and 1). Added up 9es governed germany for 34 out of 65 years.
The eights were killed off midterm by their own parties...just as Maggie Thatcher in UK. Her successor John Major was most likely a 9 (even seen someone typing him ENTP :D).
Eights are most blazing lights, but they burn out so quickly.
Lyndon B. Johnson was too forced to not seek reelection. He was an 8. If you go back in politics you see that most long term politicians had a way to unite their nation behind them. 9es and 6es do that both, but in a different way. 9es mediate, 6es unite against fear.

INTP sp/so 9w1 6w5 4w5
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To be honest sometimes i feel like type nine is often written about in not the most enthusiastic tone in enneagram descriptions.
Heh, I feel like it's kind of the opposite - "Nines could be so awesome...if only they could get their shit together!"

Its inspiring to see that we can excel like other types in just being successful in general!
See what I mean? :tongue:

she wanted to be left the hell alone.
If that's not Nine, I don't know what is...or maybe that's just cranky ol' me. :laughing:

As for leadership, no thank you. I'd rather lead by example - and even that's too much pressure as far as I'm concerned. My One wing would constantly be screaming at me that I wasn't doing a perfect enough job.
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