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This is really a scientist question... Not.

I like Tarot, as I find it helps focus the mind on one particular angle of a problem. I don't think it necessarily has a "special" meaning, any and every card can be used. It's the interpretation and the fresh angle that help.
 

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I agree with InvisibleJim, they are all a lot of fun.

I love divination tools of all forms... the crazier the better!

I have been learning tea leaves, tarot, Ouija, I ching, Runes, and animal bones as well...

My specialisation though is palmistry.

It only gets a bit too silly when people no longer can make life decisions without 'consulting the cards'. It's meant for a bit of fun and should be treated as such.

My father is from Sardinia which is still highly superstitious so I was taught palmistry when I was a little girl along with other rituals. For me, it's always been a matter of culture mixed in with a keen sense of curiosity.

My natal chart also describes many similarities with my MBTI/enneagram/Big Five.
 

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This is really a scientist question... Not.

I like Tarot, as I find it helps focus the mind on one particular angle of a problem. I don't think it necessarily has a "special" meaning, any and every card can be used. It's the interpretation and the fresh angle that help.
I like tarot-- I even own two different decks. More often, though I'll find myself turning to the runes or the i ching, especially the latter as I'm a gigantic fan of taoist philosophy... But by the very definition of taoism trying to divine "the way" is manipulative and so the way will elude you! What a philosophical contradiction! LOL!
 

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But by the very definition of taoism trying to divine "the way" is manipulative and so the way will elude you! What a philosophical contradiction! LOL!
I completely subscribe to that logic. I also own a Tarot deck, I regularly use it. To be honest, in my view, the value is not in the prediction itself, but in how the person internalizes it and leverages it to better their lives.
 

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Hmm, I am also into Tarot. I own, er, I'll have to go count them again. More than 25 decks, though.

The thing is, I mostly agree with Filo, and have said similar things on numerous occasions - that it helps people focus on the question they are asking to make things fit.

On the other hand, there is a history of dreams that come true in my family, so some days I'm not sure what I believe. It's not something that can really be proven.
 
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On the other hand, there is a history of dreams that come true in my family, so some days I'm not sure what I believe. It's not something that can really be proven.
Oooh I forgot about dream interpretation! Thanks for reminding me :happy:

I follow the Carl Jung method to dream interpretations...
 

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I don't own a Tarot deck although I'll admit a fascination with astrology and palmistry. I think it's fun to look for connections between what these systems say about you and what you know is true. Ultimately, though, we are responsible for our own lives.
 

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I have two tarot decks. I have noticed that even though there are a hell of a lot of skeptics it doesn't stop them from wanting a reading.:tongue:
 

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The Tarot describes the universal path in life that we all take, and divination has to do with faith it has no power for those who do not believe.

So it is sort of a catch 22 if you are already open to it, you have the capacity to grow from it.
If you are closed to it you will never understand it.

It exposes in itself the flaw's in the scientific mind.
 

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I agree with InvisibleJim, they are all a lot of fun.

I love divination tools of all forms... the crazier the better!

I have been learning tea leaves, tarot, Ouija, I ching, Runes, and animal bones as well...

My specialisation though is palmistry.

It only gets a bit too silly when people no longer can make life decisions without 'consulting the cards'. It's meant for a bit of fun and should be treated as such.

My father is from Sardinia which is still highly superstitious so I was taught palmistry when I was a little girl along with other rituals. For me, it's always been a matter of culture mixed in with a keen sense of curiosity.

My natal chart also describes many similarities with my MBTI/enneagram/Big Five.
My Natal chart is pretty much indistinguishable from my mbti description.

I'm Aquarius sun AND Moon.

I also believe science, religion, mythology, superstition are part of a whole and anyone who says otherwise is likely just ignorant and myopic.
 

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For the record I used to be the stereotypical entp, if there wasn't a study to prove it I would dismiss it.

But after giving it an unbiased look I realized why it defies scientific truth because it's a spiritual and emotional discipline.

It speaks to the human spirit which defies scientific description, just as the soul is something that cannot be measured it must be felt to be understood.
the name occult is appropriate it means hidden knowledge and it hides in plain sight from people who frankly aren't interested in finding it.
I would not waste my time trying to convince anyone they either get it or they don't.
 

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For the record I used to be the stereotypical entp, if there wasn't a study to prove it I would dismiss it.

But after giving it an unbiased look I realized why it defies scientific truth because it's a spiritual and emotional discipline.

It speaks to the human spirit which defies scientific description, just as the soul is something that cannot be measured it must be felt to be understood.
the name occult is appropriate it means hidden knowledge and it hides in plain sight from people who frankly aren't interested in finding it.
I would not waste my time trying to convince anyone they either get it or they don't.
Well isn't everything a matter of:

[INPUT] -> [PROCESS WHICH CAN DO ANYTHING] -> [EXPECTED RESULT?]

If the desired process produces accurate results.. whether that be flipping a coin or taking a bundle of complicated tests then surely it is the most relevant system.

I would say this simple understanding is very important in trying to have even the simplest conversations about any sort of system; whether it be scientific, typology or engineering.

Of course, when its something like designing an engineering system I'm really interested in understanding the inputs so I can play with them and optimise the result, but for something like analysing a person behaviour I am unlikely to be able to invent a time machine and play with the inputs; so... if it works, it works!
 

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Well isn't everything a matter of:

[INPUT] -> [PROCESS WHICH CAN DO ANYTHING] -> [EXPECTED RESULT?]
Nope.

Think of it this way, if you believe yourself to be a failure you will always sabotage yourself.

If [insert random thing here] says hey you're not a failure everyone goes through this, just follow this path and you believe it you will create a self fulfilling prophecy.

you beliefs motivate your behaviour, in this sense by laying out the groundwork of quintessential human development and pointing out the paths to development the self fulfilling prophecy can be altered, not by any external changes but by internal changes that are purely the result of faith.

Different types have different insights into different facets of human behaviour, allowing those insights to alter them.
So an NT might not do something that's "pointless and stupid" and thus alter their own capacity to experience something that they might find quite enjoyable despite the underlying reasoning for said action.
 
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Nope.

Think of it this way, if you believe yourself to be a failure you will always sabotage yourself.

If [insert random thing here] says hey you're not a failure everyone goes through this, just follow this path and you believe it you will create a self fulfilling prophecy.

you beliefs motivate your behaviour, in this sense by laying out the groundwork of quintessential human development and pointing out the paths to development the self fulfilling prophecy can be altered, not by any external changes but by internal changes that are purely the result of faith.

Different types have different insights into different facets of human behaviour, allowing those insights to alter them.
So an NT might not do something that's "pointless and stupid" and thus alter their own capacity to experience something that they might find quite enjoyable despite the underlying reasoning for said action.
You're almost there, in my opinion. If you look at the works of Phillip Glasser, PhD in Psychology, on the "needs profile" he conceptualizes our psyche into a large system whose sole purpose is to seek fulfillment of specific needs (e.g. power, freedom, love, belonging, survival, and fun) which are inherent to the system. The most fascinating aspect of this, for me, is that the inherency of those needs can be biological OR environmental, but the important item is to UNDERSTAND those needs in ourselves because then we may objectively take apart our behaviors and-- through deductive meditation-- come to understand our "unhealthy" behaviors as reactions to needs we are either suppressing or being forced to neglect.

I see this very frequently in education and I am constantly reevaluating my students' needs profiles to understand the underlying motivations for their behaviors, which then leads me to the ultimate question as a teacher: is this a situation over which I have any amount of control? If the answer is "yes" then I go looking for positive steps I can introduce into the scenario to motivate and alter unhealthiness in my students. If the answer is "no" then I still get the satisfaction of a decent night's sleep because what is out of my hands is out of my hands: period, full-stop, end of story, thank you very much, and good-bye.

What I absolutely do not understand is when I make the case to someone that they have the power to alter something and then they refuse to listen to logic, persuasion, or even encouragement from me. It doesn't make sense to me that there are ANY needs being met in the person by continuing in a course of action that has only begotten them misery and will only continue to do so in the future. Bizarre.
 

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Nope.

Think of it this way, if you believe yourself to be a failure you will always sabotage yourself.
Sorry, but if you can't history match a system to what is actually in place then it is a waste of time.

These systems do not indicate failure or success. Those are subjective and personal quantifications, not objective qualifications. I never said anything about what the model of that system might recommend you change to improve your circumstance. That is an entirely different problem and one which I believe typology systems are pretty weak at doing because they are often closed loops without proper and gaugeable external reference points.
 

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Sorry, but if you can't history match a system to what is actually in place then it is a waste of time.
English please.
These systems do not indicate failure or success.
They're not meant to, they're about where you are in your life which is inherent to personal development.

Those are subjective and personal quantifications, not objective qualifications.
I never said anything about what the model of that system might recommend you change to improve your circumstance. That is an entirely different problem
No actually it's not.
What your expressing is your misunderstanding about the tarot it's about instigating change by predicting change. This means the change cannot happen unless you believe in it. When you believe you will make the changes suggested and create the destiny that was foretold. Faith is the link.

and one which I believe typology systems are pretty weak at doing because they are often closed loops without proper and gaugeable external reference points.
I am so lost.
 

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Wait a sec. So y'all are not talking about the astrology in the newspaper?:unsure:
Like anything once it hits the paper it becomes complete bullshit.

Think about the scientific "discoveries" you read about and compare them to real papers published and you have an idea what the relationship of newspaper astrology is to real astrology.
 
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