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Hey guys! With the Dark Knight Rises rising to theaters this Friday, I wanted to know what your thoughts on the MBTI of the characters for the Nolan Trilogy were. Feel free to change my list or add more to it. Here are my lists:

Christopher Nolan: INTP
Johnathan Nolan: INTJ

Batman Begins:
Bruce Wayne/Batman: ISTJ
Henri Ducard/ Ra's Al Ghul: ISTJ
Dr. Johnathan Crane/Scarecrow: INFP
Alfred Pennyworth: INFJ
Lucius Fox: INTJ
Rachel Daws: ESFJ
James Gordon: ISTJ


The Dark Knight:
The Joker: ENTP
Harvey Dent/ Two Face: ESTJ

The Dark Knight Rises:
Bane: INTJ
Catwoman: INFJ
Miranda Tate: ?
John Blake: INTP


So yeah, figure out the personality types that Gotham deserves, not the types they need.
 

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We are in agreeance, except that I'd go INTP for Wayne/Batman, and maybe ISFJ for Rachel and INTJ for Ra's Al Ghul. I'd also say that The Joker is so insane that he becomes untypeable, but I might guess INFP.
 

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Catwoman strikes me as an XSTP type. Streetwise and tomboyish, while at the same time able to be seductive. Batman on the other hand seems more like INFJ, mostly because of the way he keeps saying that there is more to Selina than just a cat-burglar looking out for herself, which is a similar relationship that a lot of XSTPs and XNFJs have. Gordon seems like an introvert and I'm leaning more towards Fe than Te due to his frustration with working within the system. John Blake is more like an ISTP with a more developed Ni and Fe. Alfred is also someone who I suspect is an ISFJ
 

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Catwoman strikes me as an XSTP type. Streetwise and tomboyish, while at the same time able to be seductive. Batman on the other hand seems more like INFJ, mostly because of the way he keeps saying that there is more to Selina than just a cat-burglar looking out for herself, which is a similar relationship that a lot of XSTPs and XNFJs have. Gordon seems like an introvert and I'm leaning more towards Fe than Te due to his frustration with working within the system. John Blake is more like an ISTP with a more developed Ni and Fe. Alfred is also someone who I suspect is an ISFJ

EDIT: sorry for the double post
 

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Hey guys! With the Dark Knight Rises rising to theaters this Friday, I wanted to know what your thoughts on the MBTI of the characters for the Nolan Trilogy were. Feel free to change my list or add more to it. Here are my lists:

Christopher Nolan: INTP
Johnathan Nolan: INTJ

Batman Begins:
Bruce Wayne/Batman: ISTJ
Henri Ducard/ Ra's Al Ghul: ISTJ
Dr. Johnathan Crane/Scarecrow: INFP
Alfred Pennyworth: INFJ
Lucius Fox: INTJ
Rachel Daws: ESFJ
James Gordon: ISTJ


The Dark Knight:
The Joker: ENTP
Harvey Dent/ Two Face: ESTJ

The Dark Knight Rises:
Bane: INTJ
Catwoman: INFJ
Miranda Tate: ?
John Blake: INTP


So yeah, figure out the personality types that Gotham deserves, not the types they need.
You have to separate the Batman persona from Bruce Wayne. The best fit for Batman is probably ESTP (looking at this from a function perspective not a Kiersey-roles perspective). Basically defaults to physicality and mastery of environment to accomplish what he needs, that pretty much forces him to be Extraverted a Sensation type. (But again Batman is a persona not a personality so that's sort of academic). The Chris Nolan Batman is basically brawns over brains (as evidence when Bruce Wayne is trying to rehabilitate himself and says "its the body that makes the leap." Wayne really wants to default to a real-world sensibility about things. You could maybe make a case for ISTP or ENTJ as well (the martyrdom complex and insistence of Batman as a symbol might be more characteristic of Inferior Fi).

Alfred is probably ISFJ (sort of always worried about bad things happening to Bruce Wayne but hiding behind his caretaker persona).

John Blake/Robin is a Feeling type in the TDKR. Definitely not a Thinking type, everything he does is in service to those around him, the general welfare of people including Gordon, putting himself on the line for other people (the bridge scene), and on and on. Nothing about him screamed Introverted Thinking to me or even introverted since, again everything he does is in service to others, he spends barely a moment in self-reflection (which is sort of the definition of introvert). His best is maybe something like ENFJ (you could probably make a case for IxFP - as someone with deep rooted ideals).

Bane's best fit is probably INTJ

Joker: ENTP

Jim Gordon is probably an altruistic Te-dom. ESTJ would probably be his best fit (again there's a real downplay of the self here in favor of some external ideal). His intuition is also Ne-ish (what's likely to happen) rather than Ni (here's what's going on behind the scenes).

I would say ISFP is probably right for Selina Kyle/Catwoman. Sort of an egocentric ISFP. A person of firm ideals, who gets caught up in the wrong ring. Very sensory-oriented though. I think if her intuitions were better she wouldn't have gotten caught up in the mess she did. She's very much a person in things for what she can get out of them, it all sort of points toward egocentric feeling.

Harvey Dent is also someone adept at manipulating the environment. He's a tough one because his lawyer-persona is something of a Te-dom, but all of the significance and symbolism that he puts into things like his coin flip is much, much more Se-dom-like and its all directed inwardly (he places the power of life and death into an object), and defaults to violence as a way of solving problems when things go awry, so that makes me think maybe ESTP over ESTJ.
 

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I thought about this some more and I think one could probably really make a good case for Bruce Wayne as an INTJ (albeit dysfunctional). In Batman Begins, its pretty much setup that Wayne is someone for whom the world has constantly overwhelmed him (introvert) and that he has either tried to get the upper hand on and failed at, or tried to given into but failed at. It's symbolized by his fear of the bats in the cave overwhelming him and Liam Neeson/Ghul training him how to accept what the environment brings rather than retire from it. This might point to inferior Se in Wayne.

We could then say the ESTP Batman persona is the way Bruce Wayne copes with the outside world. He constantly trying to keep from being consumed by it (and always failing) so he figures if he can just conquer the thing that gives him so much trouble he can win, but the world always fights back. In the end he gets beaten by a guy who's just stronger (Bain - its Catwoman that kills Bain not Batman. If not for her intervention Bain wins). Bruce Wayne doesn't like being Bruce Wayne. He continually runs from being Bruce Wayne, that experience is just too painful (the death of his parents, having to be an orphan, the death of Rachel, etc). Batman is his way of exerting some control over (what he sees as) a chaotic life. He says "its for Gotham," but really its for him. Gotham's malaise is nothing more than a mirror of Bruce Wayne's psyche, both capable of incredible good (Gordon/Dent/Blake) and incredible craziness (Joker). Just like with Joker, Batman's presence is always announced with chaos and destruction. He has no problem pointing a bat-rocket launcher at the very city he has sworn to protect.

It is interesting that in the end, he ends up with Selina Kyle a criminal and apparently a murderer (symbolic that his mother's pearls end up on the neck of a woman who kills), which symbolizes that he's stopped trying to fight and just simply learned to take what life has thrown at him. The death of Batman at the end is basically 'egocide.'

Batman is the person of someone who has not learned to deal with the world so instead creates a figure, a fantasy of someone who can. But of course, under the suit is just the same broken man, just with training and more gadgets. Ghul was right about him all along from the beginning. But the whole thing is a parlour trick designed not to delude the Gothamites but to keep Bruce Wayne from having to deal with the harshness of his own reality.
 

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I think Selina is some kind of SFJ, her use of Si and Fe is apparent, I'm just trying to figure out whats the placement is for them. You kind of see the lower form of Ne in her too where she says Gotham's reckoning is coming and she is going to revel in it. If pushed I would say she is more ESFJ but I could see her as an ISFJ too. But definitely a Fe user, she goes on and on referencing the external standard and how Gotham treats it's poor people to justify her stealing. It's not until the end of the film where Batman gets threw to her and she wants to become better because he shows her that she can become better. He raises the standard and she goes with him.

Gordon seems like an ESTJ to me, a Te dom with inferior Fi. He is haunted because he let Batman take the fall and he can't live with himself because he didn't live up to his ideals (inferior Fi) he looked at what worked for the people and for Gotham (Te) rather then what was internally the right judgement call to make (Fi).

John Blake -- some kind of Fi type. His ideals are all over the place and he uses subjective judgement calls all the time bucking against authority figures. I would say he is an ISFP over INFP, just because he seems more concrete based rather then abstract. But there isn't too much detail given to him.

Miranda Tate -- Ni-Fe/Fe-Ni user some kind of NFJ, her main theme seems to be that she did everything because Daddy wanted her too and because she didn't feel the people of Gotham were innocent and that they all deserved to die or pay because her Dad died and she was getting back at Batman which is totally Fe. Constant referencing to an external standard. Everyone in Gotham is guilty or evil because Dad said so or something. She plans everything down to the letter so I could see her using Ni. I guess I would put her as an ENFJ is pushed.

Bane -- was he even a personality? He was mostly just a puppet for others as revealed by the end of the film. I could see him as a Te dominant type but it's hard to see his other functions because he really was just the muscle behind the Al Gaul's. Some kind of ETJ.
 

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Catwoman is DEFINITELY not an INFJ. Hell no. She makes decisions based on her own rationale, not on how she feels. She led Batman to Bane. She has no qualms working for both good and bad. She's definitely a T.

Bruce Wayne is more of an INFJ. He makes rash decisions based on his feelings, he likes to work alone, he has a desperate, burning desire to save his city when he doesn't owe it anything. INFJ's have that same "saving-people" complex, where you cannot bear the thought of not doing something to help others when you have the power to.
 

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Catwoman is DEFINITELY not an INFJ. Hell no. She makes decisions based on her own rationale, not on how she feels. She led Batman to Bane. She has no qualms working for both good and bad. She's definitely a T.

Bruce Wayne is more of an INFJ. He makes rash decisions based on his feelings, he likes to work alone, he has a desperate, burning desire to save his city when he doesn't owe it anything. INFJ's have that same "saving-people" complex, where you cannot bear the thought of not doing something to help others when you have the power to.
I believe your right. I wish I could update my message too, because I made it before I saw the film. I actually think your right about Bruce too.
 

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Here's what my list would be instead:

Bruce Wayne: INFJ

Alfred Pennyworth: ISFJ
Lucius Fox: INTJ
Rachel Dawes: ESFJ
James Gordon: INTP
The Joker: ENTP
Harvey Dent: ESTJ
Bane: ENTJ
Catwoman: ISTP
John Blake: INFP
 

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Catwoman's not a T, basically all that she expresses in the film is Extroverted Feeling. Her entire mantra is I deserve things because the world owes me. She talks about right and wrong, about how the rich have it all and only leave the crumbs for the poor, she says that she steals because people leave nothing for the poor and justifies her actions based on her belief that the world didn't live up to it's end of the deal. She sees the world as a hard place and she serves it back in kind. That's very Fe. Then when she finally gets what she thought she wanted she sees that it's her worst nightmare and wants to leave the world around her where she is surrounded by a worse world without the rich and without money. It's not as she thought it would be. She sees that the world isn't better just because the rich aren't the rich anymore. She sees the world crashing and burning and she feels horrible about it.

Another scene that portrays Fe is when she saves the little boy from the two men who were about to hurt him for stealing an apple. She saves him and teaches him to never steal from someone you can't out run. She definitely has Fe in her top two functions. She's definitely a feeler and her feeling is definitely extroverted. A Te type would be more along the lines of Gordon, doing whatever has to be done because it's the best recourse for everyone involved. That's Te.
 

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I say

Bruce Wayne: ISTJ
Alfred Pennyworth: ISFJ
Rachel Dawes: ESFJ
Lucius Fox: INTJ
James Gordon: ISTJ
Ra's al Ghul: ISTJ
The Joker: ENTP
Harvey Dent: ESTJ But when he becomes Two Face: ESTP
Bane: ENTJ
Catwoman: ISTP
Talia al Ghul: ENFJ
John Blake: INFP
 

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finally saw the dark knight rises recently...here is what i think:


Bruce Wayne: INFJ
Alfred Pennyworth: ISFJ
Rachel Dawes: ESFJ
Lucius Fox: INTJ
James Gordon: ISTJ
Ra's al Ghul: INTJ
The Joker: ENTP
Harvey Dent: ESTJ
Bane: ENTJ
Catwoman: ISFP or ESFP
Talia al Ghul: ENFJ
John Blake: ISTP or ISTJ

and i'm not really good at articulating why. some of these are iffy. it's tough for me to read E vs I on movie characters sometimes.
 

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I posted this in a thread about bane:


Honestly I don't think he planned any of it but instead was taking orders from Talia and the league of shadows due to his love for her. When you replay the movie knowing the end in mind I would have to suggest that he isn't Te Dom but possibly Fe Dom. I've come to see him as an ExFJ acting out on his emotions for the girl he saved and eventually came to love. Hence the tears dripping down his face when Talia mentioned it. Not saying an ESTJ can't be emotional or cry, but his apparent Te doesn't seem so apparent when you find out he was doing Tali as bidding who was trying to fulfill her fathers plan for Gotham. He even avoided killing people directly. Wouldn't even kill Bruce when he had the chance. Everyone else did the killing, Talia and the league of shadows did all the planning. He also knew the lie behind Harvey Dents cover up and exposed it to release the prisoners that were indicted due to laws made by Harvey. It was contradicting for Harvey to turn people in then go on to be worst then the criminals. Then have the criminals that were most likely innocent in the face of the law sit in prison without having a clue of the truth behind Harvey. Bane saw the wrong in this and exposed it. He also protected Talia as a child even while growing up in that prison himself. He felt the need to protect this child fro, the dangers that plagued her in their, and sacrificed his health to make sure she was safe and was able to escape. Growing up in that environment I don't see a Te Dom doing these things, not saying they aren't kindhearted and aren't able, but when you look at all the facts that are present in the movie he definitely seems like an ExFJ

ENFJ is my conviction for him.
My list-
Batman/Bruce: INTJ
Joker: ENTP
Ra's al ghul: ENTJ
Alfred: ISFJ
James Gordon: ISTJ
Harvey Dent: ESTJ
Talia Al Ghul: INTJ
Bane: ENFJ
Rachel: ISTJ
John Blake: ISTP
Scarecrow: xNFP
Catwoman: ExTP
 

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Bruce ..........ISTJ
Alfred ..........ISFJ
Lucious ........INTP
Thalia ..........INFJ
Bane ...........ENFJ
Scarecrow ....INTJ
Joker ............ENTP
Ra's al ghu .....ENTJ
Catwoman ......ESTP
Gordon............ISTJ
 

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I posted this in a thread about bane:




My list-
Batman/Bruce: INTJ
Joker: ENTP
Ra's al ghul: ENTJ
Alfred: ISFJ
James Gordon: ISTJ
Harvey Dent: ESTJ
Talia Al Ghul: INTJ
Bane: ENFJ
Rachel: ISTJ
John Blake: ISTP
Scarecrow: xNFP
Catwoman: ExTP
Bane ENFJ? Nah- Read about Fi and sentiment towards people they care about and Te being affected by Fi. We're like that. He is not Fe dom. Nope, no way. XNTJ all the way.

Introverted Feeling

Feeling is romantic, as the ethereal as the inner world from whence it doth emerge. When it be awake, feeling evokes great passion that knows not nuance of proportion nor context. Perhaps these lesser functions inspire glorious recreational quests in worlds that never were, or may only ever be in fantasy. When overdone or taken too seriously, Fi turned outward often becomes maudlin or melodramatic. Feeling in this type appears most authentic when implied or expressed covertly in a firm handshake, accepting demeanor, or act of sacrifice thinly covered by excuses of lack of any personal interest in the relinquished item.

Although ENTJs are not naturally tuned into other people's feelings, these individuals frequently have very strong sentimental streaks. Often these sentiments are very powerful to the ENTJ, although they will likely hide it from general knowledge, believing the feelings to be a weakness. Because the world of feelings and values is not where the ENTJ naturally functions, they may sometimes make value judgments and hold onto submerged emotions which are ill-founded and inappropriate, and will cause them problems - sometimes rather serious problems.
 

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I feel that looking at Bruce Wayne/Batman through an ISTJ (or from any other s perspective) is too surface, and doesn't truly capture the complexity of the character: typing him as s fails to explain many aspects of his personality. Even with the answer I will present, I approach this from an unbiased perspective. Yes, I am an INFJ, but I'm not a fan of Batman--I'm more of a Spider man guy! A strong case can be argued that Bruce/Batman is INTJ but I think INFJ makes the strongest case for Bruce Wayne's personality. Unfortunately, I do not have time at the moment to provide solid reasoning, but I hope to do so this evening.
 
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