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So lately I have been questioning whether I'm an INTJ or INTP. Can someone please list the differences?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
I think that's an oversimplification, and might be misleading. First thing to remember: J doesn't necessarily mean that a person is primarily a judger. It means that they're judgers in dealing with the outside world. INTJs are first and foremost perceivers while INTPs are first and foremost judgers. Goals are entirely a judging thing. Perceiving functions just don't have any concept of them.In terms of cognitive functions:
INTJ: Ni - Te - Fi - Se
INTP: Ti - Ne - Si - Fe
Is your primary function introverted thinking (Ti) or introverted intuition (Ni)?
Are you more process-focused (INTP) or goal-oriented (INTJ)?
Oh man, now you're making me doubt my type...When you're daydreaming/introverting/pondering/whatever would you say that you find yourself considering what can logically be proven (INTP) or do you find yourself considering what can only be imagined (INTJ)?
Would you be more inclined to agree that there's a singular truth (INTP) or that truth is an arbitrary construct that's relative to a person's point of view (INTJ)?
That's probably good, but don't go too far. A lot of what INTPs might consider intuition is actually introverted thinking. When you hear about "goals", you're probably thinking about it in J terms. Probably something like "By October 23, I'm going to accomplish x, y, and z". The idea of verbalizing your goals and measuring them by something external like a date is what Te does. In fact, the act of labeling that statement with the word "goal" is Te. All the judging functions are responsible for setting goals and charting courses of action. It's just more apparent with some.Oh man, now you're making me doubt my type...
Well the intended goal was to simplify the distinction to help in the common "J or P" dilemma, and was by no means meant to be all-encompassing list, just a start.I think that's an oversimplification, and might be misleading. First thing to remember: J doesn't necessarily mean that a person is primarily a judger. It means that they're judgers in dealing with the outside world. INTJs are first and foremost perceivers while INTPs are first and foremost judgers. Goals are entirely a judging thing. Perceiving functions just don't have any concept of them.
It's not a matter of who's more goal-oriented overall, but of which part (process for INTP or conclusion/closure/goal for INTJ) each type enjoys and focuses more on. There was a thread discussing it here on PerC though I can't seem to find it anymore.If anything, I would argue that an INTP is more goal-oriented than an INTJ. It's just that their goals are internally-focused and therefore not as apparent to the outside world.
I'm confused by this question. Is this again meant to be a way of probing if one prefers to use Ti or Ni?I think better questions would be:
When you're daydreaming/introverting/pondering/whatever would you say that you find yourself considering what can logically be proven (INTP) or do you find yourself considering what can only be imagined (INTJ)?
Wot? INTJs are subjectivistsWould you be more inclined to agree that there's a singular truth (INTP) or that truth is an arbitrary construct that's relative to a person's point of view (INTJ)?
Yup. That's exactly what I meant. We tend to think of it as being the other way around simply because the side we see on the outside is different.Well the intended goal was to simplify the distinction to help in the common "J or P" dilemma, and was by no means meant to be all-encompassing list, just a start.
Could you make clearer what you mean exactly with "INTJs are first and foremost perceivers while INTPs are first and foremost judgers." ? Are you referring to Ni being the INTJ primary function vs. Ti being the primary function for INTPs?
Sorry, I just don't see it. I don't see INTPs as being more process-oriented.It's not a matter of who's more goal-oriented overall, but of which part (process for INTP or conclusion/closure/goal for INTJ) each type enjoys and focuses more on. There was a thread discussing it here on PerC though I can't seem to find it anymore.
Yes.I'm confused by this question. Is this again meant to be a way of probing if one prefers to use Ti or Ni?
It is possible that I didn't phrase the question very well. Suggestions for improvement are welcome. :happy:Wot? INTJs are subjectivists? Where did you get that from?
I'm pretty sure there are a lot of INTJs that won't give up Sherlock Holmes (or probably House either) without a fight.In fact, think of the two best fictional examples of INTPs: House and Sherlock Holmes.
I think it's clearly obvious that the person you were responding to meant that INTJ's are Judgers according to the outside world and that INTP's are Perceivers according to the outside world. What either type is internally matters less, Judging and Perceiving preferences deal primarily with the outside world, rather than the inner world. Thus, the critical distinction between the J and P is whether or not the externalized function is a judging or perceiving one.I think that's an oversimplification, and might be misleading. First thing to remember: J doesn't necessarily mean that a person is primarily a judger. It means that they're judgers in dealing with the outside world. INTJs are first and foremost perceivers while INTPs are first and foremost judgers. Goals are entirely a judging thing. Perceiving functions just don't have any concept of them.
If anything, I would argue that an INTP is more goal-oriented than an INTJ. It's just that their goals are internally-focused and therefore not as apparent to the outside world.
I think better questions would be:
When you're daydreaming/introverting/pondering/whatever would you say that you find yourself considering what can logically be proven (INTP) or do you find yourself considering what can only be imagined (INTJ)?
Would you be more inclined to agree that there's a singular truth (INTP) or that truth is an arbitrary construct that's relative to a person's point of view (INTJ)?
Good to know.After reading about Ne, Ni, Te, and Ti I have come to the conclusion I am an INTJ.
Thanks for your help everyone, appreciate it.
Hear, hear! xD I know two confirmed INTJs (a male and female) and three INTPs (one male and two females, including myself), and I've found that both INTJs are much more direct and quick to criticize others, even if they come across as "mean" or "abrasive". It's a lot harder to sit down next to them than the INTPs, because they're kind of intimidating. On the other hand, they're generally very respected and people tend to seek their approval.The simplest difference I've found is that INTJs are angrier and more stubborn.
This actually makes sense if you buy Beebe's idea that the inferior function sets your overarching goals. INTPs have inferior Fe, so they tend to aim for having an environment without any personal conflict (intellectual conflict is something else entirely). INTJs have inferior Se, which means they will focus on getting concrete observable results.Hear, hear! xD I know two confirmed INTJs (a male and female) and three INTPs (one male and two females, including myself), and I've found that both INTJs are much more direct and quick to criticize others, even if they come across as "mean" or "abrasive". It's a lot harder to sit down next to them than the INTPs, because they're kind of intimidating. On the other hand, they're generally very respected and people tend to seek their approval.
On the other hand, all three of us INTPs absolutely despise conflict; we try to be a little nicer and tend to be vague when we have to criticize others to their faces. We're all quiet, but a bit more "friendly" and "approachable" in a social setting than the INTJs--not because we like people more (I know for a fact that at least two of us are inwardly very annoyed by stupid, tedious people) but because we just don't feel as comfortable and confident with being direct and abrasive as the INTJs do, and we don't want to make enemies or conflict situations. I don't think the INTJs care as much about enemies or conflict situations. One of them asked if he should be nicer to people--but that was more because he was concerned about making his staff efficient than creating a warmer atmosphere.
Source: Research on five subjects. Does this hold true for INTPs and INTJs in general?
Where were you when I was questioning my INTJ/INTPness?? INTJ fits me far far better than INTP. Even INFP is a much better fit than INTP...I think better questions would be:
When you're daydreaming/introverting/pondering/whatever would you say that you find yourself considering what can logically be proven (INTP) or do you find yourself considering what can only be imagined (INTJ)?
Would you be more inclined to agree that there's a singular truth (INTP) or that truth is an arbitrary construct that's relative to a person's point of view (INTJ)?
Ok, I'll stop thinking about which type I am. It always goes back and forth... I'll stick with function order and adjust as my understanding of them improves. For now, I'll just say I'm IN and definitely not INFJ... Unless I'm a mutant INFJ, which might be interesting actually. =)Hear, hear! xD I know two confirmed INTJs (a male and female) and three INTPs (one male and two females, including myself), and I've found that both INTJs are much more direct and quick to criticize others, even if they come across as "mean" or "abrasive". It's a lot harder to sit down next to them than the INTPs, because they're kind of intimidating. On the other hand, they're generally very respected and people tend to seek their approval.
On the other hand, all three of us INTPs absolutely despise conflict; we try to be a little nicer and tend to be vague when we have to criticize others to their faces. We're all quiet, but a bit more "friendly" and "approachable" in a social setting than the INTJs--not because we like people more (I know for a fact that at least two of us are inwardly very annoyed by stupid, tedious people) but because we just don't feel as comfortable and confident with being direct and abrasive as the INTJs do, and we don't want to make enemies or conflict situations. I don't think the INTJs care as much about enemies or conflict situations. One of them asked if he should be nicer to people--but that was more because he was concerned about making his staff efficient than creating a warmer atmosphere.