Personality Cafe banner

1 - 4 of 4 Posts

·
MOTM Nov 2009
Joined
·
4,132 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Eights, Nines, and Ones share a general undercurrent of anger and form another emotional trio. If Twos, Threes and Fours can be confused about who they are and how they feel and Fives, Sixes and Sevens react fearfully and are confused about taking action. Eights, Nines and Ones react from an emotional ground of anger and have trouble with accurate mental conception, that is to say, thinking clearly. This difficulty is often described as a condition of mental sleep.

Healthy Eights are often dynamic, strong and independent. They demonstrate the virtue of power: how to wield influence for constructive purposes. Many Eights are natural leaders who inspire others, protect the weak and strive for justice. They may use their power to shake things up and have the courage and will to implement new ideas. They are generally honest and direct, bringing an energetic, lusty gusto to whatever they attempt.

Healthy Eights are often generous, loyal friends who protect what is soft and vulnerable in others. This is also a metaphor for how Eights relate to themselves. Beneath their strong outer armor is a younger, more vulnerable part of themselves that they shield. This part relates to an innocence of perception that healthy Eights often have. They are able to see the world as if for the first time, through the eyes of a child. They may have a related love of nature that is a source of spirituality and evokes this innocent quality. Unguarded Eights often demonstrate the strength of gentleness; they are strong enough to be kind, open enough to be touched, secure enough to be wrong, rich enough to be generous.

When Eights are less healthy, their preoccupation with power begins to be tainted by self-interest. While still relatively free of self-doubt, Eights begin to cover up their vulnerabilities with aggressive displays of strength. They overidentify with being powerful as a way to deny their softness and survive in a world that they believe is dangerous. They may also tend to excess * staying up late, doing too much, driving too hard, indulging in addictions partly to numb their more vulnerable feelings.

Less healthy Eights enjoy confrontation and try to make contact with others primarily through fighting. They also push against others to assess their motives and measure the degree of external threat. Eights may narcissistically inflate their presence and seem to take up too much space in a room. To protect the tender childlike part of themselves, they can act overbearing, arrogant and insensitive. Beneath this intimidating shell, an Eight could feel sensitive to betrayal, vulnerable to ridicule, or weak in a way that he is ashamed of.

Most Eights don't quite realize how belligerent they can seem. This is because they defensively deny feedback, especially about ways they might have hurt others. Unhealthy Eights can deny feeling guilty, usually by covering it up with more aggression, while claiming they have nothing to apologize for. In their mind's eye, they can see people as caricatures, two-dimensional objects that can then be skewered without conscience.

As with Twos, the healthy versus unhealthy expressions of this style are unusually extreme. Very unhealthy Eights can do immense damage * mostly to others * in the service of maintaining their grandiose image of an invulnerable self. A "get them before they get me" attitude rules the Eight's behavior. To this end, they can be suspicious, bullying, vengeful, ruthless and psychopathic. Many of the world's bloodiest dictators have been very unhealthy Eights, and their brutal excesses reflect how unhealthy people with this style ultimately murder their own humanity.
 

·
MOTM Nov 2009
Joined
·
4,132 Posts
Discussion Starter #2
Eight With a 7 Wing
Awakened Eights with a 7 wing are often expansive, and powerful. Gregarious and generous, they may display a cheerful bravado. Can be forceful but with a light touch, funny. Often have a sense of humor about themselves. Generally more extroverted, ambitious and materialistic. May talk loud and be sociable partygoers.
Sometimes driven to bring the new into being. Can be visionary, idealistic, enterprising. Willing to take risks. May think more clearly than Eights with a 9 wing; 7 wing brings an intellectual capacity.

When more entranced, aggression combines with gluttony to form an almost virulent tendency to addiction. Many entranced Eights with a 7 wing have had drug and alcohol problems or tensions around addiction. Prone to temperamental ups and downs - can be moody, egocentric, quick to anger. Tendency to court chaos, inflate themselves narcissistically. Some are ruthlessly materialistic. Can use people up, suck them dry. Maybe be explosive or violent, prone to distorted overreaction.

Eight With a 9 Wing
Healthy Eights with a 9 wing often have an aura of preternatural calm, like they haven't had a self-doubt in decades. Take their authority for granted - queen or king of all they survey. May be gentle, kind-hearted, quieter. Often nurturing, protective parents; steady, supportive friends. Informal and unpretentious, patient, laconic, generally somewhat introverted. Sometimes a dry or ironic sense of humor. May have an aura of implicit, simmering anger rather like a sleeping volcano. Slow to erupt but when they do it's sudden and explosive.

When entranced, the 9 wing brings an Eight a kind of callous numbness. They can be oblivious to the force of their anger until after they've hurt someone. Calmly dominating, colder; may have an indifference to softer emotions. If very unhealthy, they can be mean without remorse or aggressive in the service of stupid ends. Paranoid plotting, muddled thinking, moral laziness. Can be vengeful in ill-conceived ways, abuse those they love, don't know when to quit.
 

·
MOTM Nov 2009
Joined
·
4,132 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
Eight's Connection to 5
Healthy connection to 5 brings mental clarity. Begin to think coherently; Eights are more strategic and systematic when this connection is active. Develop an objective perspective that helps them depersonalize and pull back from narcissistic overreaction. Take the long view, think things through, pause before they react. Can grow philosophical. Sometimes studious and introspective. May develop an intellectual streak, especially with a 7 wing. Connection also helps take the edge off Eight's addictive tendencies. They consume less, keep their own counsel, grow more moderate in their behavior.

Unhealthy connection is characterized by morbid withdrawal and tendencies to paranoia, depression, and guilty brooding. Eights can isolate themselves and lapse into inaction. Often this comes after they have recognized their own cruelty or moral failures. Might experience crushing guilt, a feeling that they normally deny. Can then begin to cruelly self-punish, spiral into regret. Fears arise but not usefully. Go dead, feel powerless. Intellect is twisted in the service of self-hatred or heightened paranoia about betrayal by others. When deeply unhealthy there is a strong possibility of suicide.

Eight's Connection to 2
Healthy connection to 2 helps Eights learn to change places with others. 2s are overidentified with others while Eights underidentify so this connection helps Eights learn how to empathize. Extend themselves, become better communicators, admit their interdependence. Can become more compassionate and thoughtful, more open and willingly vulnerable. Sometimes have an ethos of love, in touch with the child within. May have therapeutic personalities in that they want to heal others, make things better. Display the strength of true gentleness.
Unhealthy connection to 2 brings codependence. An Eight may get overidentified with their partner and be unable to disengage. May defend their partner's weaknesses, even those that hurt the relationship. Compensate for other's limitations, make excuses.

Also a stronger tendency to overreaction, display a kind of hair-trigger hysteria. Can take the whole world personally like an unhealthy 2. Won't let go of slights and injustices, their pride is offended extra easily. More vengeful, act entitled, episodes of megalomania. Eight's narcissism is intensified and reinforced. Could also develop an obsession about their partner. Compulsive clutching and possessive demands. Sometimes prone to jealousy, associated with unhealthy intimate subtype.
 

·
MOTM Nov 2009
Joined
·
4,132 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
Self-Preservation
Self-preservation Eights often grow up poor or struggling. Food, home, money may be crucial. Generally seek control over their immediate environment and may worry about survival. Tend to value things over people. Maintaining order and material security are important. Eights with this subtype have a stronger connection to 5. Can be materialistic and feel deserving about it; more often have a 7 wing. Could be collectors or have prized objects.
Sometimes domineering towards those within their sphere. Might preach an ethic of selfishness - justify their bullying of intimates as necessary to "toughen them up" for the hard world outside. Life is a jungle, only the strong survive. Survivalist mentality, territorial imperatives, angry at family members because they threaten household objects. Hiding in and presiding over their castle; sometimes extra Fiveish.

Intimate
Want stability, loyalty and predictability in close relationships. May feel easily betrayed, and are prone to suspicion. Can love deeply, have a genuine close-up interest in and concern for spouse. Since life is dangerous they want to choose close allies carefully. Attached to the idea of being able to trust completely. Lots of testing of their partner's motives. If they pass the tests then the Eight relaxes.
When entranced, this can lead to possessive obsession, and a need to dominate and control partner. Intimate Eights can get codependent, jealous, hooked into the other. Sometimes can't let go; their partner's every move is (over)reacted to. When very unhealthy, spousal abuse scenarios are possible. Stalking, vengeful vows to follow other to the ends of the earth, etc. Connected to the low side of 2. Intimate Eights sometimes play socially rebellious "bad kid" roles.

Social
Social Eights are often loyal to a group and conceive of friendship as a pact of mutual protection. Want everyone to benefit; group's cohesion and welfare is most important to them. Often oriented to family, honest, hold themselves accountable to others. May be the group's protector or provider. Emphasis on cooperation.
When healthy, they are aggressively blustery but will back down and apologize when they've been unfair. More able to say the Three Little Words -"I was wrong." Stronger connection to 2, can emotionally switch places with others in their chosen group. As friends they want to protect what's soft or young in you and appreciate the same in return. Hostility directed towards outside forces who threatens the group's welfare.


[Source]
 
1 - 4 of 4 Posts
Top