Fantastic
I'll get around to it eventually.
The Enneagram Types: In Their Own Words (Discussion)
As we began talking about in another thread, there seems to be a general consensus that it would be great to hear about each of the 18 winged types...from their OWN perspectives. That's right. We want to collect input from as many of the types as we can to make descriptions that really delve into what the types are about, what it's like to be each type, etc.
As of right now, this thread is open for discussion as to how to go about and organize this. Any volunteers who want to talk about their types are welcome and encouraged. However, we can't let just anyone do this. You have to be generally approved, I think, and quite certain of your type. A good understanding of the Enneagram is key. We want this to be as accurate as possible.
To start off, I volunteer for the 3w2 description, and I volunteer Scruffy for the 3w4 description. Perhaps screamofconscious and Aerorobyn, respectively, would like to do the 6w5 and 6w7 descriptions? Any other takers? Let's get this going, for real. I know a lot of people would love to see this happen.
As of right now, this thread is open for discussion as to how to go about and organize this. Any volunteers who want to talk about their types are welcome and encouraged. However, we can't let just anyone do this. You have to be generally approved, I think, and quite certain of your type. A good understanding of the Enneagram is key. We want this to be as accurate as possible.
To start off, I volunteer for the 3w2 description, and I volunteer Scruffy for the 3w4 description. Perhaps screamofconscious and Aerorobyn, respectively, would like to do the 6w5 and 6w7 descriptions? Any other takers? Let's get this going, for real. I know a lot of people would love to see this happen.
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I'll get around to it eventually.
I personally think variants need to be factored in. Whenever I write about myself, I see the sp coming through all the time.
If anyone wants to take a stab at describing their trifix that'd be pretty enlightening. I think the only trifix description i've seen is the 4-6-8. It's going to be pretty subjective, but hey.
I could do a 4w3 sp/sx one... but I'd need to run it past a few people first. And indeed be sure i'm writing it from the right perspective, with the right amount of insight. I don't want to project things onto the type... and I sure as hell don't want to type up anything incorrect that might mislead people about this type. I would want to try to be as honest as possible (i.e. no 'shining a positive light' to 4w3 negative traits) so i'd like to do a bit more self discovery before I do this as well.
If anyone wants to take a stab at describing their trifix that'd be pretty enlightening. I think the only trifix description i've seen is the 4-6-8. It's going to be pretty subjective, but hey.
I could do a 4w3 sp/sx one... but I'd need to run it past a few people first. And indeed be sure i'm writing it from the right perspective, with the right amount of insight. I don't want to project things onto the type... and I sure as hell don't want to type up anything incorrect that might mislead people about this type. I would want to try to be as honest as possible (i.e. no 'shining a positive light' to 4w3 negative traits) so i'd like to do a bit more self discovery before I do this as well.
Perhaps we could do one for each of the variant stackings, as well. I think we should keep to some general ones, but we can also do other, more specific ones.I personally think variants need to be factored in. Whenever I write about myself, I see the sp coming through all the time.
If anyone wants to take a stab at describing their trifix that'd be pretty enlightening. I think the only trifix description i've seen is the 4-6-8. It's going to be pretty subjective, but hey.
I could do a 4w3 sp/sx one... but I'd need to run it past a few people first. And indeed be sure i'm writing it from the right perspective, with the right amount of insight. I don't want to project things onto the type... and I sure as hell don't want to type up anything incorrect that might mislead people about this type. I would want to try to be as honest as possible (i.e. no 'shining a positive light' to 4w3 negative traits) so i'd like to do a bit more self discovery before I do this as well.
General consensus, I suppose.Who approves of the people?
Namely...me. :tongue:
I see two ways that we could go about this to make good-quality descriptions for each type.
1. The first is that we make a wikipedia-like "open source" description, that all of the same type may edit and contribute to.
2. The second is that we have 2 or more people make a description together, because I don't think that it's enough to have but 1 approved person make the description. Because, like Nova pointed out, stackings and also MBTI, experiences etc. could/would turn the description in the wrong direction.
IMO, option number 1 is the best, because the description would only get better and better. And it would/could grow to include stackings, instincts, tri-types etc. But I don't know how to work it out technically. What do you think?
edit: Thinking about it, maybe it would be best to actually put it on wikipedia.
1. The first is that we make a wikipedia-like "open source" description, that all of the same type may edit and contribute to.
2. The second is that we have 2 or more people make a description together, because I don't think that it's enough to have but 1 approved person make the description. Because, like Nova pointed out, stackings and also MBTI, experiences etc. could/would turn the description in the wrong direction.
IMO, option number 1 is the best, because the description would only get better and better. And it would/could grow to include stackings, instincts, tri-types etc. But I don't know how to work it out technically. What do you think?
edit: Thinking about it, maybe it would be best to actually put it on wikipedia.
The trouble with getting too specific is limited resources, and by that I mean that it's highly likely we'll have trouble finding every specific type. Think about it -- there are A LOT of possibilities.
And the reason I say that we ought to keep it to people who understand the Enneagram well is that they'll be the best equipped to limit the descriptions to what applies to the type at hand, without biasing it as much with other matters. Some bias is inevitable, of course, and I do agree that collaboration is ideal wherever possible, but again we must consider the fact that resources (knowledgeable people of each type) aren't unlimited and proceed from there.
And the reason I say that we ought to keep it to people who understand the Enneagram well is that they'll be the best equipped to limit the descriptions to what applies to the type at hand, without biasing it as much with other matters. Some bias is inevitable, of course, and I do agree that collaboration is ideal wherever possible, but again we must consider the fact that resources (knowledgeable people of each type) aren't unlimited and proceed from there.
Well...
I like the Wikipedia idea for storing the articles so that various edits can get done. I'd volunteer myself for a 1w2 sp instinct. This could be FUN!
I like the Wikipedia idea for storing the articles so that various edits can get done. I'd volunteer myself for a 1w2 sp instinct. This could be FUN!
Wikipedia, eh? Well, I've never used it for any other purposes than browsing, so I don't know.
Is there no way that's slightly more private to do this, so that we can at least put something reasonably strong out there from the get-go? Heck, even right in this thread could work well enough, unless you think something else would be a lot better.
Is there no way that's slightly more private to do this, so that we can at least put something reasonably strong out there from the get-go? Heck, even right in this thread could work well enough, unless you think something else would be a lot better.
Alright, well i'll have to scratch myself out of 4w3 for now, seeing as I may not be one. Sorry! i'll come back if I am more sure and gather a bit more insight.
From another thread:
On another note, I came up with a sort of idea to differentiate between the often easy-to-confuse Threes and Eights that may play into things (although it's a bit on the facetious side):
Threes are robots that strive to be human;
Eights are humans that strive to be robots.
A bit of a humorous take, but once I thought of it, it actually made a lot of sense....
Threes tend to emphasize the importance of people in getting things done. For me, it's a sense that I can do anything, but people are obstacles -- or, rather, you can't get anything done unless you know how to deal with the people along the way. You could be brilliant, but if you have zero people skills, it's much tougher to get anywhere. People who are good with people get places. The better you can control how people perceive you, the better control you have over the situation and the more likely you are to accomplish things.
Indeed, Threes can become so involved with manipulating identity and perception that they can lose themselves and be oblivious to it all. For us it's often just more of a fact of life than a conscious effort, so we can have trouble recognizing it.
Three is all about growth and ambition. If we're not always getting better, feeling awesome, and believing that we're on track to become supremely awesome, we're not content. In some sense, I suppose there is no final sense of success -- just checkpoints, if you will, hence the trophy-collecting-Three stereotype. We just strive to get better, and better, and better....Eventually we must become the best, but we're never quite satisfied. Never quite there.
Thinking about identity and image and the like is a lot is more of a Two and Four thing. Again, for Three's it's just a fact of life and not really a perceived issue.
I think these are some pretty good points upon which to expand or at least to provide a working point.Social acceptance can catapult your goals, and drives. I also don't see social acceptance as the means, I see it as a bonus, and a shortcut. The means are what you actually do. I avoid ending, because it kills the cycle. If your goal is people oriented, you're still using them as a vehicle, and yes, it can be.
My identity has been warped to move, a true sense only fingers through on occasion (I believe it also ties into needing validation, to prove the identity). Average to unhealthy 3's can't really tell when they're "putting it on" for others, they are out of touch in a self-denial. The image is a tool to reach their goals, it's not what they are. Recognizing the switch is a huge part of a growth for 3s.
I want to explore things that interest me, success is a measurable limit. Success is knowing what you've done, and being known for it. 3's think they can do anything, so success is not really skill per-sea I'd say it's renown.
I have nothing inside that tells me I'm doing a good job, I rely on the outer for that. What I do is, "easy".
Validation is not love, it's knowledge.
On another note, I came up with a sort of idea to differentiate between the often easy-to-confuse Threes and Eights that may play into things (although it's a bit on the facetious side):
Threes are robots that strive to be human;
Eights are humans that strive to be robots.
A bit of a humorous take, but once I thought of it, it actually made a lot of sense....
I like this but it probably should be expanded upon.Threes are robots that strive to be human;
Eights are humans that strive to be robots.
A bit of a humorous take, but once I thought of it, it actually made a lot of sense....
As a three I find it very difficult to decide things internally. It's all about validation, I suppose. Only external validation can be good because internal validation - I mean, I'm just gonna ramble in a disorganised manner here - I don't see how it can be useful. I don't see where it can get its information from.
I wonder if it is less human. Constantly evaluating and validating things from an external perspective. I guess "what is humanity" is rather too philosophical for here. I am enjoying this deeper 3w4 discussion as opposed to the stereotypical enneagram crap.
Anyway,
The idea is good. Variant stackings - perhaps only if it gets real interest. Seems like you would have too much to do then, but more importantly you suffer from spreading out your information too wide. Possibly I think that it would be better simply to do away with variant stackings and simply just conglomerate everything everyone has to say about themselves in one post. For instance if you have 3 e3w4 posters you can just annex all their descriptions into one (removing repetition obviously.)
This kind of thing makes me wish there were more people around this forum interested in the Enneagram. If I were more confident in my knowledge, I'd volunteer for the 6w7 description.
If this idea does indeed become a reality, I'd love to contribute as someone who has frequently typed as 8w9, as I would love to hear from other 8w9s as well.As we began talking about in another thread, there seems to be a general consensus that it would be great to hear about each of the 18 winged types...from their OWN perspectives. That's right. We want to collect input from as many of the types as we can to make descriptions that really delve into what the types are about, what it's like to be each type, etc.
As of right now, this thread is open for discussion as to how to go about and organize this. Any volunteers who want to talk about their types are welcome and encouraged. However, we can't let just anyone do this. You have to be generally approved, I think, and quite certain of your type. A good understanding of the Enneagram is key. We want this to be as accurate as possible.
Quite frankly I find researching one particular type lacking.
I would say that as humorous as this sounds there is some truth to this.agokcen said:Threes are robots that strive to be human;
Eights are humans that strive to be robots.
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