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The Evil Side of Humanity?

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Most personality theories deal with the mature version of the temperament. "NF Idealists are warm, cuddly, naturally altruistic; primarily interested in making everyone around them happier." But Hitler was an idealist, right?

What do the temperament types look like when they go bad?

Primarily, I am interested in your thoughts on the dark side of the SJ Guardian. Guardians are "stable, caring, law-abiding citizens who mow their lawn before the grass gets too high." But what happens when Guardians are broken--how do you break one?

I am posting this question on your wall because I already posted it on the SJ wall and didn't get many responses... I thought I might get better luck with you guys. I know it's a strange question but I am a writer and I want to know more about the dark side of my characters according to the integrity of their temperament.

Unfortunately for you guys, the dark side of the NT is pretty obvious--Stalin, Napoleon, Emperor Palpatine... Same goes for the SP's who splash their dysfunctional hedonsim all over Hollywood. NF's have a pretty deep dark side--borderline personality disorder, madness, raging irrationality.

But the SJs? All I can think of is Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Keirsey says that when they become self-destructive, they tend to do it literally--i.e. suicide. Thoughts?
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A bad cop. Can be a perfect guardian.
I am not following. What are we referring to? A bad cop? A vigilante? Let's try to specify the situation before trying to draw conclusions from it.
In what ways would a perfect guardian become a bad cop? I'm not being skeptical--just interested in the specifics. Being anal with the parking tickets--okay. But taking home a cut of the confiscated heroin for personal consumption? Nah.
A bad cop. Can be a perfect guardian.
What is a bad cop?

Evil--anything that tries to destroy goodness.
The evil side is the one that makes the L, right? Or is it the other way around?
I enforce The Law, therefor I am The Law. (I think therefor I am only better: I have a club to beat people with if they think different!)

Reach this point in your thinking and any assertion of rights by someone with no authority pushing up against your righteous will is now a crime. Here's a good recent one:

https://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/03/59061.htm

Be careful out there, dogs travel in packs.
In what ways would a perfect guardian become a bad cop? I'm not being skeptical--just interested in the specifics. Being anal with the parking tickets--okay. But taking home a cut of the confiscated heroin for personal consumption? Nah.
What is the L?
The evil side is the one that makes the L, right? Or is it the other way around?
It's helpful to hear primary source evidence (props to @DarkBarlow) rather than a secondary source's satirical understanding of it. It's a thought provoking video, though--thanks!
Pretty much this.
Here's an interesting find: Abuses at infamous Florida boys reform school even more widespread, report says - U.S. News

My theory is beginning to take shape--

I suspect that SJs and NFs are the types most capable of demonizing someone we perceive to be bad, which is why, even though we are normally good-natured and cooperative, at our worst we are capable of tremendous evil (i.e. NF Hitler). We rationalize away our guilt by telling ourselves things like, "He is bad for worker moral; he broke these rules" or, in the case of this boy's home, or Hitlers's anti-semitism, "These people are bad through and through--nothing is ever going to change that." I now suspect a lot of Dickensian bad guys were SJs or NFs--as well as Jane Eyre's old school master.

SPs and NTs, on the other hand, tend to be grimly realistic about their foes, and at their worst, become cynical or apathetic about evil, even going so far as exploiting it for their own ends (i.e. NT Stalin.)
An interesting bad cop case from @DarkBarlow's list:
Sherri Rasmussen’s Murder: Tracing the Shocking Resolution to a 23-Year-Old Cold Case | Vanity Fair. "Lazarus had a reputation for being tenacious, tough, and strictly by the book. In fact, in all of her years in the department, she had never had a disciplinary hearing. Not one." This one includes a video of the full interrogation.

Wish I could now add something cheerful. Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart.
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