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I actually have yet to watch the movies that inspired this show (though I need to), but I'm loving it so far! (And I really hope it gets renewed for another season.) The ensemble is great, especially Christian Kane. :)

Anyway, here are my preliminary thoughts on the show so far:

Col. Eve Baird: ESTJ (to the max)
Flynn: ISTP (an ISTP left alone for too long!)
Cassandra: INTP (Ne is clear, & I believe Ti as well. I'm not certain her Fe is inferior, so she could be ENTP)
Ezekiel Jones: ESTP (definite xSTP)
Stone: ISTP (definite Se at least)
Jenkins: really tough to tell (possibly a grumpy ISFJ, or ISTJ)

I hope I'm not the only one really enjoying this show. :) :D It's quirky, creative, & hilarious. :)
 

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes the show!

Just to get some discussion going:

Baird: ESTJ is not a bad fit. But does she use enough Si/Ne?
Flynn: ENTP--the whole polymath dimension pushes me toward Ne--I think he not only loves learning for learning's sake, but he's always drawing out random connections. Not to mention that he notices random things ("the trees are wrong") and misses a lot right in front of him.
Cassandra: ISFJ. Strong Fe user, definitely not Ne dom. I agree on the functions, but I think she's an introverted sensor--the Ne is inferior (her fear of pushing herself, her taking jobs below her capabilities)
Ezekiel: A well-rounded ESTP for once. I agree.
Stone: ISTP is not a bad choice
Jenkins: ISTJ seems right

Dulac: The constant refrain of Camelot may seem Si at first, but the idealization of it indicates its Ni nature. Stereotypical INxJ villain?
 

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@katsux:
Col. Eve Baird: ESTJ definitely
Flynn: INTP
Cassandra: ENTP
Ezekiel Jones: ESTP
Stone: Strikes me as an ISFJ
Jenkins: ISTJ? probably.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes the show!

Just to get some discussion going:

Baird: ESTJ is not a bad fit. But does she use enough Si/Ne?
Flynn: ENTP--the whole polymath dimension pushes me toward Ne--I think he not only loves learning for learning's sake, but he's always drawing out random connections. Not to mention that he notices random things ("the trees are wrong") and misses a lot right in front of him.
Cassandra: ISFJ. Strong Fe user, definitely not Ne dom. I agree on the functions, but I think she's an introverted sensor--the Ne is inferior (her fear of pushing herself, her taking jobs below her capabilities)
Ezekiel: A well-rounded ESTP for once. I agree.
Stone: ISTP is not a bad choice
Jenkins: ISTJ seems right

Dulac: The constant refrain of Camelot may seem Si at first, but the idealization of it indicates its Ni nature. Stereotypical INxJ villain?
Yeah, Dulac is hard for me! (And I still need to watch the last two episodes.)

And Cassandra was hard as well - I kept debating between ISFJ & xNTP. It seems we do all agree on the functions, but yeah - she seems to have/use a lot of Fe and Ne. The reason I thought it might be inferior, rather than auxiliary, is because of her betrayal in the first episode, and not understanding why Stone can't just get over it. But then in the episode with the really spooky scary house (though I loved how it ended), she showed a lot of Fe. Hmmmm...

Stone is also a little tricky. I could almost see him as ISFP, too, particularly with the black & white "you betrayed us - I like you, but I can't trust you" thing. (Could be from dominant Fi.) But there are ISTPs who would do the same thing. I think his Se is pretty clear, due to his love of action and hands-on work, and his attention to (& love of) detail. And I have to admit that I love (love!) that his character is from Oklahoma. As is Christian Kane, and it's my home state, too. :) (An awesome Okie portrayed as something more than an unintelligent hick? Yay!!!)

@katsux, I'm curious - why does he strike you as an ISFJ? (I'm not saying you're wrong at all - he's one I have a harder time typing & would be curious to hear others' thoughts & reasonings.) :)

I think both of you are probably right about Flynn - a fellow "typologist" (I made that up just now, but I like it) thought he was an ISTP and that his rambling was Ni gone wild after being alone and on his own for waaaaaay too long. (But he's so quick on his feet, verbally, that it does strike me as more Ne-Ti (or Ti-Ne), and I could definitely see Ne-dominance, Ti-aux.)

Also, I think Bruce Campbell's Santa might have been an ISTP. ;)

On Baird - I could see ENTJ, potentially. The Te-dominance is obvious, haha. But I do still think ESTJ, personally, because she's pretty set on doing things a certain way (traditional training methods, her desk being arranged a certain way & her constantly fighting to get it back to the way she wants it, after it keeps resetting to Flynn's specifications, refusing to call Santa "Santa" because of her preconceived notions about the being's existence), and is very comfortable with set roles (she takes very quickly to being the "guardian") and yet she also occasionally has flashes of ideas (Ne) & improvising - but it's not as well-developed at all. I think she really *wants* to believe in Santa, but trusts her past experience, which has only ever shown her a world without Santa/hope. She's very, very grounded and "by-the-book." (Ni/Se tends to be more comfortable trying new things, breaking the mold, doing "their thing," etc.)
 

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes the show!

Just to get some discussion going:

Baird: ESTJ is not a bad fit. But does she use enough Si/Ne?
Flynn: ENTP--the whole polymath dimension pushes me toward Ne--I think he not only loves learning for learning's sake, but he's always drawing out random connections. Not to mention that he notices random things ("the trees are wrong") and misses a lot right in front of him.
Cassandra: ISFJ. Strong Fe user, definitely not Ne dom. I agree on the functions, but I think she's an introverted sensor--the Ne is inferior (her fear of pushing herself, her taking jobs below her capabilities)
Ezekiel: A well-rounded ESTP for once. I agree.
Stone: ISTP is not a bad choice
Jenkins: ISTJ seems right

Dulac: The constant refrain of Camelot may seem Si at first, but the idealization of it indicates its Ni nature. Stereotypical INxJ villain?
Agreed with all of these.

I can see why, behaviour-wise, people might type Cassandra as an ENTP, but... No. She is an ISFJ. An incredibly intelligent, data-accessing ISFJ.

Flynn I might've actually typed as an ENFP, but a definite Ne-dom. You see it especially in the movies.
 

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Agreed with all of these.

I can see why, behaviour-wise, people might type Cassandra as an ENTP, but... No. She is an ISFJ. An incredibly intelligent, data-accessing ISFJ. It's all about cognitive preference, here.
See, that makes perfect sense to me. ISFJ seems to fit her so much better (& still fits the cognitive functions). :)

Flynn I might've actually typed as an ENFP, but a definite Ne-dom. You see it especially in the movies.
Awesome! :D :D :D I found them at Walmart the other day, but haven't watched them yet. :) I'm sure I'll love them! :D (I can remember seeing the previews/trailers on TNT when they came out, in between Law & Order, Angel, Charmed, etc, episodes, and thinking, "Hmmmm - that looks like fun!" but never watched them at the time.)

@Word Dispenser, what do you think about Stone? I'm having some trouble pinpointing him. My thought is ISxP, and he strikes me as an ISTP, but he took Cassandra's betrayal so personally, and the way he makes other decisions, seems like he could be an Fi-dom. (It wasn't that he saw her as betraying the group - what upset him the most was how it affected him.)
 

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See, that makes perfect sense to me. ISFJ seems to fit her so much better (& still fits the cognitive functions). :)



Awesome! :D :D :D I found them at Walmart the other day, but haven't watched them yet. :) I'm sure I'll love them! :D (I can remember seeing the previews/trailers on TNT when they came out, in between Law & Order, Angel, Charmed, etc, episodes, and thinking, "Hmmmm - that looks like fun!" but never watched them at the time.)

@Word Dispenser, what do you think about Stone? I'm having some trouble pinpointing him. My thought is ISxP, and he strikes me as an ISTP, but he took Cassandra's betrayal so personally, and the way he makes other decisions, seems like he could be an Fi-dom. (It wasn't that he saw her as betraying the group - what upset him the most was how it affected him.)
Oh, and I wasn't saying that Flynn was more ENFP in the movies, I just mean you can see the Ne-dominance in the movie. I'm not sure whether he's ENTP or ENFP, but I could see either. It just depends on whether he hates Fi, or hates Ti, haha. :kitteh:

Stone's either an ESTP or an ISTP. Being upset/emotional can apply to any type, so keep that in mind.

Look at Dean from Supernatural-- He's incredibly emotional. But, he still has logic in the ego. (ESTP, in my opinion.) Thinkers feel, feelers think.

In fact, a lot of the time, thinkers have more trouble with dealing with emotions, so they can come out more often (Especially in Fe-types). It also depends on environment and upbringing. I can be a waterfall at times. :proud:
 

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Oh, and I wasn't saying that Flynn was more ENFP in the movies, I just mean you can see the Ne-dominance in the movie. I'm not sure whether he's ENTP or ENFP, but I could see either. It just depends on whether he hates Fi, or hates Ti, haha. :kitteh:
Ahhh, very cool. :D I definitely need to watch the movies soon. :D

Stone's either an ESTP or an ISTP. Being upset/emotional can apply to any type, so keep that in mind.

Look at Dean from Supernatural-- He's incredibly emotional. But, he still has logic in the ego. (ESTP, in my opinion.) Thinkers feel, feelers think.
True! :happy: And I agree - I think he's more than likely an ISTP (possibly ESTP, but I don't know that Se is his dominant). I was just curious. :D

In fact, a lot of the time, thinkers have more trouble with dealing with emotions, so they can come out more often (Especially in Fe-types). It also depends on environment and upbringing. I can be a waterfall at times. :proud:
Haha!! That's very true! :D

(And that's refreshing - I'm constantly hearing that someone must be an Fi-dom because they're emotional or driven by emotion. It's like - that's really any type, and depending on how it's expressed, it's often an Fe-inferior type or something!)
 

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(And that's refreshing - I'm constantly hearing that someone must be an Fi-dom because they're emotional or driven by emotion. It's like - that's really any type, and depending on how it's expressed, it's often an Fe-inferior type or something!)
Yeah, actually... Fi-types tend to be more reserved with their emotions, particularly Fi-dom and aux. I would guess that they cry and have outbursts of any emotional sort a lot less often than people with Fe anywhere. Although I have noticed that they have certain extremes, they are 'quiet', and the spectrum seems to go from 'acidic' to 'quietly amused'. Does that make sense?

They may actually feel emotionless a lot of the time-- That's why so many Fi-egos tend to type themselves as thinkers. Because they confuse a lack of emotion for logical preference. Fi is actually a rational function, though, so it can be confusing for the people who have to deal with it, I think.
 

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Yeah, actually... Fi-types tend to be more reserved with their emotions, particularly Fi-dom and aux. I would guess that they cry and have outbursts of any emotional sort a lot less often than people with Fe anywhere. Although I have noticed that they have certain extremes, they are 'quiet', and the spectrum seems to go from 'acidic' to 'quietly amused'. Does that make sense?
Oh, very much so. I can get very excited when talking about favorite topics, or if I'm very overwhelmed with emotion (positive or negative) or stress, but even then, I'm usually on a pretty even keel compared to most people, I'm a lot better at containing my reactions. (Unless animals are getting hurt. :( I can't handle that. I'm definitely sensitive. Or something really hits home, and then I can try to contain the tears, but if I lose it, it'll take time to get it back, though I can usually still manage to cry quietly enough that people don't realize it.) And I'm definitely quieter than most. Unless I'm in a Te-Hermione-mode... ;)

They may actually feel emotionless a lot of the time-- That's why so many Fi-egos tend to type themselves as thinkers. Because they confuse a lack of emotion for logical preference. Fi is actually a rational function, though, so it can be confusing for the people who have to deal with it, I think.
Yes! Very much this. :) And while I never fully typed myself as an INTJ, I could relate because of the common functions. And under extreme stress my Te comes out in a not-so-pretty way. General-like is a very good way to describe it. "You! Do this. Okay - here, here, here. Alright! [someone asks stupid question] No. Okay, Person A do this, Person B do this, Person C do this after Person A gets done with that. NO! That this, this there, then this, and that." (Okay, there's usually more detail, but that's the general idea.) Fortunately, my "in-the-grip" experiences have gotten much fewer & farther between. I do still see exaggerated Fi every once in a while, but I've gotten better about not letting it get to full-blown inferior Te. I've also learned to control my Te a bit better, so I can utilize it without terrorizing those around me, or only in the case of surprising those who don't expect cold hard logic from someone like me when they're being a bully or egotistical jerk. (Unless someone's being a bully to me. Then I'm an easy target. :/ )

Anyway, I love functions because they help me make sense of those around me. My dad's an INTP - we love each other, but always used to clash when I was growing up, because he's a Ti-dom (& Ti-Ne specifically), and I'm an Fi-dom. It took a very long time before I could win an argument against him, and I still usually can't if it's only a theoretical one. My mom's an ENFP, and I realized that we get along really, really well, primarily because of our common Fi-Te, but she also wears me slick sometimes (her Ne is off the chart). And I annoy her because she'll be trying to come up with helpful suggestions for action & I point out why they realistically might not work. (Ne vs Se) (And I'm not trying to be facetious in those moments, or purposely annoy her.)

And my little sister is an INFJ. Very, very, very Ni-Ti, and some Fe, but it's not quite as well-developed. (It comes out more in guilt trips and what she thinks people "should" be doing.) She also had never actually taken the MBTI, because I could never get her to finish any version of it. She would sit there & argue every single question, asking "Why" & "What if" & being annoyed by the options. I'd been talking with her about it for years, and one day, out of the blue, I got a text that said "INFJ." She read through type descriptions and said that was the one that fit her the best (& we've since confirmed that is her best-fit type - I actually am officially certified in the administration & interpretation of the MBTI). :D

But anyway...sorry, that was a little off-topic! :D

Right. Librarians. :D
 

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Bumping this thread up for the new season.

Love the highlight of the Te-Ne conflict between Baird and Flynn. He's all like, "I already have several ideas," and she's like, "save them for the meeting." I feel really confident about my typing them as ESTJ/ENTP, respectively.

Otherwise, more inferior Ne from Cassandra and lovable ESTP from Jones.

Stone drives me crazy. I'm fairly confident he's an IP type--he doesn't want to lead, he shies away from the spotlight, he likes his independence, he has trouble expressing what he's thinking. He's a judger, but he's open to experience. Other than that, I make no headway. I can make cases for all four types:

INTP: Next to Flynn, he knows a lot of random information and is logical without it being a crutch. He can see possibilities in others that they can't, and he really struggles in his relationships with others.

INFP: His interests in art and culture and the way he sees himself engaging in sacrifice for others are very stereotypical INFP behaviors. The possibilities part from INTP holds here too. He seems to be genuinely interested in others, not in a superficial way.

ISTP: Every alternate world example has him as an Indiana Jones-esque figure, relying on strength and dexterity to get him through rather than knowledge. His knowledge of art and culture seems to be more about reluctantly drawing on that expertise rather than something he can't help relate to other things. He seems to struggle with grasping patterns.

ISFP: Perhaps a half-way between INFP and ISTP, combining the Fi-dominant's romanticism with the Se-auxiliary's bias toward action. He doesn't quite seem like a true ISFP, though, but in many ways is a better blend of individual traits than INTP.
 

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Bumping this thread up for the new season.

Love the highlight of the Te-Ne conflict between Baird and Flynn. He's all like, "I already have several ideas," and she's like, "save them for the meeting." I feel really confident about my typing them as ESTJ/ENTP, respectively.

Otherwise, more inferior Ne from Cassandra and lovable ESTP from Jones.

Stone drives me crazy. I'm fairly confident he's an IP type--he doesn't want to lead, he shies away from the spotlight, he likes his independence, he has trouble expressing what he's thinking. He's a judger, but he's open to experience. Other than that, I make no headway. I can make cases for all four types:

INTP: Next to Flynn, he knows a lot of random information and is logical without it being a crutch. He can see possibilities in others that they can't, and he really struggles in his relationships with others.

INFP: His interests in art and culture and the way he sees himself engaging in sacrifice for others are very stereotypical INFP behaviors. The possibilities part from INTP holds here too. He seems to be genuinely interested in others, not in a superficial way.

ISTP: Every alternate world example has him as an Indiana Jones-esque figure, relying on strength and dexterity to get him through rather than knowledge. His knowledge of art and culture seems to be more about reluctantly drawing on that expertise rather than something he can't help relate to other things. He seems to struggle with grasping patterns.

ISFP: Perhaps a half-way between INFP and ISTP, combining the Fi-dominant's romanticism with the Se-auxiliary's bias toward action. He doesn't quite seem like a true ISFP, though, but in many ways is a better blend of individual traits than INTP.
After reading your post, I had to get caught up on the new season - I've been a little behind on some of my favorites due to grad school, but finally got caught up. :)

And if it makes you feel any better, trying to type Stone is a bit baffling to me as well. It may sound like I want to claim every character I like for the ISFP camp, but there is a good argument to be made there, as you pointed out. I agree IxxP, though I think INTP is the least likely possibility, and INFP next least likely. His penchant for action (and his observations of the reality around him) strikes me as more auxiliary Se. But he's really hard for me to pin down, despite the fact that usually Ti-doms & Fi-doms are quite different. He could be a Ti-Se type, or an Fi-Se type with unusually well-developed inferior Te, and/or inferior Te that he's turned to under stress & pressure from his family/father.

The others, I think, are much easier.

Eve Baird: the most prototypical ESTJ ever (and an awesome one at that)
Jones: ESTP (his Se and Ti are so obvious it actually is funny; he's so dang cocky)
Cassandra: ISFJ (definitely - I had once typed her as xNTP, but yeah, she is definitely just a kick-a** ISFJ with that cute inferior Ne coming out sometimes, especially under stress)
Jenkins: ISTJ (?) He's a little harder for me.
Flynn: My ISTP friend originally made a strong case for him being "an ISTP who was left alone for way too long," but I think Ne is much more apparent. And I would even argue, as others have, that it's dominant, so ENTP. (No question he's Ti/Fe. It's all about his own logic, which clashes with Baird's Te, lol.)

Any thoughts on
 
Prospero?
I get an Ni vibe from him, but am not certain. And xNxJ villains are so dang common (onscreen) that I'm almost hoping he's something else just to mix things up a bit, haha. They're (NJ villains) great, of course, but the poor xNTJs in particular always get a bad rap because of it. Though Eve Baird is a great, & heroic, Te-dom, so that's a refreshing change of pace, anyway. :D (And Peggy Carter on that show (Agent Carter, I mean), but that's another topic.)

Also, even though we only saw her for about 2-3 minutes of total screen time, I would type
 
the Queen of Hearts
as an ESFP (possibly ESTP).

OH!!!! And did anyone else love the moment on the most recent episode when
 
Cassandra nerded out about Firefly?
. I love this show so much. :D
 

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Jenkins doesn't get much character development, but considering how straightforward most of the types are, ISTJ is probably right.

And if anyone doesn't think Flynn is not an Ne dom after the first episode of this season ("I can think of many possibilities" "I've already got several ideas" etc)...well, I can think of many possibilities.

On Prospero, in the play he's got tons of unhealthy Si and dark, dark Ne. Probably ISTJ in the play. I'm still holding off typing him on the show until we know a bit more about him. Talking about rewriting the ending actually makes me think that an NFP in particular might be an option. We'll see.

Glad to know I'm not the only one stumped by Stone! After the last episode, I'm swaying a bit toward IxTP because his outbursts seemed a bit more like inferior Fe--trouble dealing with strong emotion. But I'm going to keep watching.
 
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