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I stole this from the INFJ forum and stormgirl posted it there first. Loved the video.

[video]http://www.ted.com/talks/susan_cain_the_power_of_introverts.html[/video]

Totally love the part when she talks about the importance of getting back to the wilderness because it can help with your creativity, etc. Hiking and skiing are such a huge part of my life. They help me to recharge my batteries and let me know what is truly important in life. So many people always say why are you going out their alone (think they are more concerned about my safety! which is nice) than not wanting me to go because it is strange or they don't understand. I truly get something from hiking alone that I can't get from hiking with a group, and that "something" is so important and vital that I am willing to take that risk. That "something" is more to me than the things that I can get from hiking with a group, which can have it's own rewards as well.
 

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Why does it now allow you to post another PerC member's name after the @ sign? So that they can know they were mentioned? They should bring that back so people can give credit and let the other person know they were mentioned in the forum.
 

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Nope, mention function still works.

Can't watch the video at the moment, but introversion often means some deep introspection. At times I feel as if most people feel they can justify their own ideas through providing some empirical evidence, a little argumentative intepretation and be done with it. Thinking beyond that is probably more difficult, and some may not find the time or effort worthwhile. In the end, I prefer to digest a good book, then sit and think on the porch while looking at nothing in particular. Reflection is a daily practice......take that away from me, and I get crankier than a skinned cat in water......Bagh, damn comp, oh well.....to hit up the mention function do this [ mention = (random number....without parenthesis) ] (name of member) [ / mention ] do that without all the spaces and it'll work.
 

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@lifeisanillusion

Nope, mention function still works.

Can't watch the video at the moment, but introversion often means some deep introspection. At times I feel as if most people feel they can justify their own ideas through providing some empirical evidence, a little argumentative intepretation and be done with it. Thinking beyond that is probably more difficult, and some may not find the time or effort worthwhile. In the end, I prefer to digest a good book, then sit and think on the porch while looking at nothing in particular. Reflection is a daily practice......take that away from me, and I get crankier than a skinned cat in water......Bagh, damn comp, oh well.....to hit up the mention function do this [ mention = (random number....without parenthesis) ] (name of member) [ / mention ] do that without all the spaces and it'll work.
I agree that reflection as a daily practice is important. I think too many people don't set aside enough time to do this. Never given much thought to people wanting to justify their own thoughts or beliefs through empirical evidence, but I think you are defiantly on to something. I wonder if sometimes we require too much external stuff (ie people, their research, religions, etc) to justify our beliefs or let us know we are "right" per se. Much more difficult to just believe or feel something, with out needing any thing else from the outside to prove our point. I think this a gift if we can just believe something or know that it is truth, without needing something to back it up.
 

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I think this a gift if we can just believe something or know that it is truth, without needing something to back it up.
How would you know it's the truth?

And how would avoid the probability of confirmation bias, without challenging your beliefs externally?

Much more difficult to just believe or feel something, with out needing any thing else from the outside to prove our point.
I would argue the complete opposite.
 

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I loved this talk so I bought her book and read it. The book isn't quite as good as her talk. I just felt that she'd gone a bit mad/bitter and twisted after living in extroverted America and she made some points that didn't really make sense towards the end. She just seemed a bit desperate to make introverts feel good about themselves because of her experiences. Pretty biased and puts down extroverts unnecessarily.

I still enjoyed some points that she'd made and a few of them were valid. Like the parts on the importance of self-insight and reflection, more people really really need to do that. Plus the parts on education and group work. I always hated having class time wasted on listening to loudmouth opinionated students. How can you even have an opinion on anything when you're 16? You can't even foresee the consequences of your own actions at that age. *facepalm*
 

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I finally got to borrow her book from the library after I had it hold for months. Haven't started reading yet but looking forward to the book and this video. :)
 

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Thank you for this. It is so hard to get through some days in an extroverted environment. I have been exhausted beyond description by every job I've ever had. And what makes it more difficult is that the people whose expectations I am unable to satisfy because I am not wired like them have no clue what they are doing to me. They think everyone should behave just like they do and those who can't are somehow defective. I have been labeled a failure so many times by others I begin to believe it myself.

[rant at boss]But no. I have accomplished much in my life despite not being one of your in crowd of extroverts. I have good ideas and insight. I can conduct an analysis. I can plan and lead and execute a project. In fact I was considered an expert in all those areas since before you had your first job. I can count the fucking money in the drawer thank you very much. I just wish you would slow down a little and observe what's really happening. Listen to all your employees ideas. Stop interrupting everything we try to contribute to a brainstorming session to shoot our ideas down, especially when you then steal these very ideas and present them as your own. Do you really think we don't recognize what you are doing when you behave like that? Stop judging me as incapable just because I am soft-spoken and not there to compete with you for alpha status. I can interact with people just fine. I am the reason for many of your most satisfied customers. I create value in everything I do in your business. I am not you. You are the boss for a reason. But I am not the worthless piece of crap you make me feel like when you put me down for not being like you.[/rant]

Sorry, I had a really rough day at work yesterday getting yelled at constantly while I was managing the store and selling more than the other 4 staff combined until I was able to sit down and complete one of the tasks I was assigned in the morning. And as soon as I did sit down at a computer to work on that I got yelled at for not having the floor covered and told that my performance was unacceptable. The floor was covered. I was the one who had to deal with the irate customer who my boss told to get fucked. I took my assignment seriously and completed it despite my boss not remembering what he told me to do that very same day. It can be really hard to build myself back up day after day from this onslaught to go back out there and do the best job I can. I do it for the customers. I do it for the business. But I'm tired. I wish I could have 7 hours to work on my book much less 7 years.

I'm off today, the weather is cool, and I am going to go for a long run in the mountains to clear my head. Thank you @lifeisanillusion for the reminder.
 

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Why do you guys think she's an INFP?

I've also read her book, after being inspired by the video. It's a pleasant read, with some interesting reflection on historical introverts and their shining moments actually thanks to their introversion, as well as intro/extro version in different cultures. Can agree that at some points it went too much into praising introversion, almost like not leaving any space for praise on extroversion. Can lead some less open-minded introverts to certain narcissism...
But it was inspiring. And had some good ''help'' points on how to survive and thrive as an introvert in an extrovert world. But I would have liked more of it.
 
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